[OWW-SC] Fwd: page DOIs
Drew Endy
endy at MIT.EDU
Tue Sep 18 16:30:29 EDT 2007
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Tom Knight <tk at csail.mit.edu>
> Date: September 18, 2007 4:27:32 PM EDT
> To: Drew Endy <endy at MIT.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [OWW-SC] page DOIs
>
> This would be a perfect thing to ask Nature to do for us -- sponsor
> the DOI's for OWW. It's concrete, easy to understand, down their
> alley, and worth something to us.
>
> I agree with Drew's comments, and they are a repetition of what I
> said when you all were over here -- the major role of the DOI is as
> a journal-friendly way of referencing work, with increasing
> importance and acceptance. It doesn't matter what the reality of
> their longevity and universality is; what matters is the perception
> of that longevity and universality.
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Drew Endy wrote:
>
>> DOIs are readily recognized by published, academics, and grant
>> reviewers. This is largely because publishers give DOI numbers on
>> the header or footer or a paper, right next to the volume, date, and
>> page number data, specific to that particular journal and article.
>> Because most every journal is listing DOIs, they have become a common
>> form of reference. From an appearances perspective, I have had no
>> problem citing materials published in DSpace via their DOI number.
>> For example, I've cited technical reports published in the the
>> synthetic biology DSpace archive as references in Nature articles.
>> So, there's some good amount of social acceptance as to what a DOI
>> number is (whether it is warranted or not by the infrastructure
>> backside is a different matter).
>>
>> One thing that I like about our setting up a DOI server is that it
>> would basically let folks start to build "journals" or "series" on
>> top of OWW.
>>
>> So far as costs... it looks like that there are some options.
>>
>> First, we could partner with a university who already has a DOI
>> allocation for some experimental work. But, note that we likely want
>> to give a DOI to every edit / page on OWW, so this may not be
>> practical?
>>
>> But, check this out:
>>
>> "Can DOIs be made available at no charge? Yes.
>>
>> (a) IDF is willing to allocate a DOI prefix free of charge to
>> organizations for limited experimental non-commercial uses. Please
>> contact us if you wish to apply for this."
>>
>> From,
>> http://www.doi.org/handbook_2000/maintenance.html
>>
>> Or, it looks like we can get an affiliate membership for $5k
>> annually:
>> http://www.doi.org/handbook_2000/governance.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Julius B. Lucks wrote:
>>
>>> I guess DOI's are one incarnation of URN's with domain-specificity
>>> to e-publications. It seems really silly that the DOI registration
>>> is not more permanent, which more likely than not has something to
>>> do with revenues rather than implementing a successful URN scheme.
>>>
>>> I'll have to read up more on DOI's to be able to discuss this more
>>> in a semi-informed manner. For now, I don't see any problem with
>>> what you proposed, although it doesn't seem to be any different
>>> than just giving oww url's with an oldid parameter. Perhaps
>>> masking these url's with other url's won't change the reviewers
>>> opinions once they figure out what is going on. It seems like we
>>> need something more on the lines of a culture change where people
>>> find it acceptable to reference wiki pages. Then we can use
>>> whatever name archiving scheme we want.
>>>
>>> Can anyone share recent experience on reviewers not accepting oww
>>> url's as references?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Julius
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Austin Che wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What is the big cost associated with DOI's? Is it registration
>>>>> of the
>>>>> numbers, hardware costs, or both? Perhaps if we don't
>>>>> automatically
>>>>> register every page, but only pages that people request to be
>>>>> registered, we could keep the cost down. Also, what organization
>>>>> would we contact to possibly get DOI registration donated to
>>>>> us? I
>>>>> wouldn't mind pursuing this, as I think it is a very important
>>>>> issue
>>>>> for us in terms of 'legitimizing' oww content.
>>>>
>>>> Here are the registration agencies.
>>>> http://doi.org/registration_agencies.html
>>>>
>>>> I don't know anything else about DOIs. The 25K/year number was
>>>> from Sri or Jason.
>>>> Some lower numbers are on this page: http://www.medra.org/en/
>>>> terms.htm
>>>>
>>>> I actually really don't understand the purpose of DOIs. As
>>>> stated
>>>> on that page, "If the access to the service is not renewed, the
>>>> persistence of DOIs is guaranteed for at least 5 years after
>>>> the
>>>> payment of the last annual fee. In order to maintain the
>>>> persistence of DOIs after ceasing the use of service, the
>>>> payment
>>>> of 0,1 euros for each document is required." so even DOIs
>>>> aren't
>>>> guarenteed to be permanent. And if the OWW site goes down, why
>>>> would it matter if you could resolve a DOI anyway as the
>>>> content
>>>> is no longer there. Thus I see no technical benefits for
>>>> linking
>>>> to a OWW page via some indirect doi linking.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Austin Che <austin at csail.mit.edu> (617)253-5899
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