[Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from Ofri Raviv)

Mon May 19 17:23:05 EDT 2008

Because of our occasional session timeout problems, we encourage people to
save often. This means it's indexed often as well.

Bill Hooker mentioned in his email that his lab isn't allowed to use OWW; he
was a bit embarrassed about being caught with a problem that brought
attention to him. He wanted to try it out and then got stuck with a problem.

i'm not saying there's an obvious way to intro a 'drafts' feature, by the
way. It's not part of the core MediaWiki code and I've done some looking
into it in the past. I'd not anticipate a slam-dunk implementation.

It's taken me a while to put out uncooked issues in email: that's for a
closed list. Saving it OWW means all the web will know about it if I don't
do something to keep it from disseminating.

For the real techies, they also will figure out that clearing the data still
leaves the original data in an old page revision. We don't index that data
but it's there for posterity.

Thanks.

B

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Jason Kelly <jasonk at mit.edu> wrote:

> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:53 PM, julius.lucks <julius.lucks at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I have blog drafts for ideas of posts that are just a couple of notes and
> > links - nothing coherent.  The way blogs are with RSS alerts and such, I
> > don't want to call attention to just notes and links - I think people
> would
> > quickly stop paying attention.  If however I ensure that every time I
> post I
> > have a well developed (I hope anyway!) post, then people will take the
> time
> > to read it.
>
> yeah, I have drafts too, but I just keep them in a google doc.  I do
> think the wiki is slightly different, it's more of a catch all for
> lots of different info.  the blog is more like a paper, longer time
> scale between posts, higher quality.
>
> > It would be an interesting experiment to offer such a feature for some
> > subset of activities just to see the data.  Sometimes I write stuff
> offline
> > until it is a good rough draft, then put it up on the wiki to start
> > collecting the history of edits off of that base.  We have no idea how
> much
> > content is being put off line like this.
>
> Sure, but then whatever feature we make needs to compete with the
> other "offline" solutions.  A word doc, or google doc, etc.  We have
> been running an experiment with private wikis.  There are a few labs
> that have them, to date I haven't seen massive amounts of stuff leap
> from the private to the public wiki -- though maybe it's time to go
> back and look in detail at how that experiment went.
>
> thanks,
> jason
>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > On May 19, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Jason Kelly wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I think this (e.g. "i don't want anything out there with my name
> > on it that isn't perfect) is a common concern among scientists.
> >
> > I am inclined to say that I would like such a feature
> >
> > My fear (as usual) is that the data will never leave this
> > (semi-private) zone.  I think over time people will get used to the
> > idea that the wiki (or things like it) aren't the same as
> > peer-reviewed publications, and it's OK if you post things there that
> > are a work-in-progress.  but that might not play out?
> > thanks,
> > jason
> > 2008/5/19 julius.lucks <julius.lucks at gmail.com>:
> >
> > That's an interesting point Bill.  I am inclined to say that I would like
> > such a feature, but maybe once it is published, the full history is
> > published as well.
> > J
> >
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> > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks
> >
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> >
> > On May 19, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Bill Flanagan wrote:
> > What about this comment:
> > "the main concern right now is making half-baked-data public"
> > I wonder how prevalent this concern is.
> >
> > From the perspective of researchers, should we think about providing some
> > way of  screening some parts of a person's set of pages from public
> purview?
> > For instance, in Wordpress, I can create a post and save it without
> pushing
> > the button to "publish" it. A blog post can stay in this state forever.
> OWW
> > currently supports Wordpress for all of our blogs; in this sense OWW
> already
> > is providing a tool that keep drafts out of the public web unitl the
> author
> > says, "GO!". Until then, the article can be revised and rewritten until
> the
> > cows come home.
> > I'm sorry if I sound naive but I'm not a researcher. I just hang with
> them
> > on the web.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > 2008/5/19 julius.lucks <julius.lucks at gmail.com>:
> >
> > I didn't reply because I'm not sure what our policy is.  My vote is to
> > include them.  Anyone else?
> > Julius
> >
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> >
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> >
> > On May 19, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Ilya Sytchev wrote:
> > Did anyone reply to this person?
> > OpenWetWare Feedback Form on OpenWetWare wrote:
> > Hi OWW,
> > first - keep up the great work! i love what you are doing here!
> > i am a research student in Merav Ahissar's lab in the Hebrew
> > University in Jerusalem ( http://micro5.mscc.huji.ac.il/~ahissar/<http://micro5.mscc.huji.ac.il/%7Eahissar/>) i
> > am working on convincing my lab's people that a wiki is a great way
> > to manage our data and knowledge. the main concern right now is
> > making half-baked-data public. most people would like to have some
> > private pages. we are also checking other alternatives, like content
> > management systems.
> > assuming we get over the need for private pages, we get to my
> > question: our lab is more a cognitive psychology and neuroscience
> > lab.  what is your policy regarding such labs? the main page states
> > that OWW is meant to be a biology knowledge base...
> > Thanks in advance,
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