From pbh at MIT.EDU Wed Jan 18 15:53:50 2006 From: pbh at MIT.EDU (Paul B. Hill) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:53:50 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] Google Talk S2S status Message-ID: <000301c61c71$497e1640$b103bc12@pbhtablet> Hi, It looks like Google Talk turned on server-to-server support sometime on Sunday, January 15th. It does require that other jabber servers enable dial-back for authentication. Jeff's server does this, the last I knew jabber.mit.edu did not have this enabled. >From : 2. Whom are you federating with? We currently support open federation with any service provider that supports the industry standard XMPP protocol. This includes Earthlink, Gizmo Project, Tiscali, Netease, Chikka, MediaRing, and thousands of other ISPs, universities, corporations and individual users. 3. Do service providers need explicit approval to federate with the Google Talk service? No, there is no paperwork involved. Service providers just need to support the XMPP standard for server-to-server federation and their users will be able to talk to our users (and vice versa). 4. Do you plan to support other industry standards for communications interoperability? Yes, we plan to support SIP. 5. Where can I get more technical information about federating with the Google Talk service? If you are building your own XMPP service, refer to the XMPP specs. If you are using a commercial or open-source jabber server such as ejabberd, then federation should just work. One important thing to note is that we use dial-back for authentication. If you have any other questions, feel free to post to the Google Talk Interoperability Google Group. From mark at MIT.EDU Wed Jan 18 16:34:56 2006 From: mark at MIT.EDU (Mark Silis) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] Google Talk S2S status In-Reply-To: <000301c61c71$497e1640$b103bc12@pbhtablet> References: <000301c61c71$497e1640$b103bc12@pbhtablet> Message-ID: Hi Paul, FYI we actually do have dialback enabled on jabber.mit.edu. -- Mark On Jan 18, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Paul B. Hill wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like Google Talk turned on server-to-server support > sometime on > Sunday, January 15th. It does require that other jabber servers enable > dial-back for authentication. Jeff's server does this, the last I knew > jabber.mit.edu did not have this enabled. > >> From : > > 2. Whom are you federating with? > > We currently support open federation with any service provider that > supports > the industry standard XMPP protocol. This includes Earthlink, Gizmo > Project, > Tiscali, Netease, Chikka, MediaRing, and thousands of other ISPs, > universities, corporations and individual users. > > 3. Do service providers need explicit approval to federate with the > Google > Talk service? > > No, there is no paperwork involved. Service providers just need to > support > the XMPP standard for server-to-server federation and their users > will be > able to talk to our users (and vice versa). > > 4. Do you plan to support other industry standards for communications > interoperability? > > Yes, we plan to support SIP. > > 5. Where can I get more technical information about federating with > the > Google Talk service? > > If you are building your own XMPP service, refer to the XMPP specs. > If you > are using a commercial or open-source jabber server such as > ejabberd, then > federation should just work. One important thing to note is that we > use > dial-back for authentication. > > If you have any other questions, feel free to post to the Google Talk > Interoperability Google Group. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wocky mailing list > Wocky at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/wocky From pbh at MIT.EDU Wed Jan 18 16:51:25 2006 From: pbh at MIT.EDU (Paul B. Hill) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:51:25 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] Google Talk S2S status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009d01c61c79$5466ed90$b103bc12@pbhtablet> Hi Mark, Thank you for the correction. Some users at other sites had reported that they noticed the S2S support was working when they started seeing old pending invitations. I had sent a buddy invitation long ago, but didn't see any notification today. Since seeing your mail I deleted the old unauthorized, offline buddy and sent a new invitation. Everything is now working correctly and I am able to reach GTalk users from my MIT jabber account and vice versa. I also note that today I retested s2s with jabber.org and that is now working as well. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Mark Silis [mailto:mark at MIT.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:35 PM To: Paul B. Hill Cc: Mark Silis; wocky at mit.edu Subject: Re: [Wocky] Google Talk S2S status Hi Paul, FYI we actually do have dialback enabled on jabber.mit.edu. -- Mark On Jan 18, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Paul B. Hill wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like Google Talk turned on server-to-server support > sometime on > Sunday, January 15th. It does require that other jabber servers enable > dial-back for authentication. Jeff's server does this, the last I knew > jabber.mit.edu did not have this enabled. > >> From : > > 2. Whom are you federating with? > > We currently support open federation with any service provider that > supports > the industry standard XMPP protocol. This includes Earthlink, Gizmo > Project, > Tiscali, Netease, Chikka, MediaRing, and thousands of other ISPs, > universities, corporations and individual users. > > 3. Do service providers need explicit approval to federate with the > Google > Talk service? > > No, there is no paperwork involved. Service providers just need to > support > the XMPP standard for server-to-server federation and their users > will be > able to talk to our users (and vice versa). > > 4. Do you plan to support other industry standards for communications > interoperability? > > Yes, we plan to support SIP. > > 5. Where can I get more technical information about federating with > the > Google Talk service? > > If you are building your own XMPP service, refer to the XMPP specs. > If you > are using a commercial or open-source jabber server such as > ejabberd, then > federation should just work. One important thing to note is that we > use > dial-back for authentication. > > If you have any other questions, feel free to post to the Google Talk > Interoperability Google Group. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wocky mailing list > Wocky at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/wocky From ghudson at MIT.EDU Wed Jan 18 17:04:40 2006 From: ghudson at MIT.EDU (Greg Hudson) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] Google Talk S2S status In-Reply-To: <009d01c61c79$5466ed90$b103bc12@pbhtablet> References: <009d01c61c79$5466ed90$b103bc12@pbhtablet> Message-ID: <1137621880.8296.224.camel@egyptian-gods.mit.edu> I've verified that I can communicate with a Subversion contact who has a Google Talk account as well. Now we just need Google Talk to take over the commercial IM market. From ssawyer at MIT.EDU Thu Jan 19 13:56:46 2006 From: ssawyer at MIT.EDU (Sharron Sawyer) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:56:46 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] gaim Message-ID: <200601191856.k0JIukFH008518@outgoing.mit.edu> Hi: Can someone tell me where I can download gaim? I got a virus from AIM and think I'll be safer with it.. Thanks. sharron Sharron Sawyer QA Analyst III Massachusetts Institute of Technology 304 Vassar St. Cambridge, MA 02139 617-258-0235 ssawyer at mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/wocky/attachments/20060119/7e6e6bb5/attachment.htm From hallisey at MIT.EDU Thu Jan 19 14:36:14 2006 From: hallisey at MIT.EDU (Joanne Hallisey) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:36:14 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] gaim In-Reply-To: <200601191856.k0JIukFH008518@outgoing.mit.edu> References: <200601191856.k0JIukFH008518@outgoing.mit.edu> Message-ID: <858CACA9-F049-459C-BEC5-4F8C6C79BAD6@mit.edu> Hi Sharron, We are still very much in pilot phase for Jabber, but here is the information and site for downloading GAIM. If you have questions or notice issues, please send them to wocky at mit.edu. Thanks, Joanne -------------------------------------------- Joanne Hallisey IS&T W92-153 3-1894 hallisey at mit.edu On Jan 19, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Sharron Sawyer wrote: > Hi: > > Can someone tell me where I can download gaim? I got a virus from > AIM and think I?ll be safer with it?. > > Thanks. > > sharron > > Sharron Sawyer > > QA Analyst III > > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > 304 Vassar St. > > Cambridge, MA 02139 > > 617-258-0235 > > ssawyer at mit.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Wocky mailing list > Wocky at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/wocky From hallisey at MIT.EDU Thu Jan 19 14:43:25 2006 From: hallisey at MIT.EDU (Joanne Hallisey) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:43:25 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] Next Meeting: Tuesday, Jan. 24 Message-ID: <060B1717-E954-490F-9B9A-22D1DAA3D885@mit.edu> Hello, I would like to have a meeting of the Jabber team on Tuesday, Jan. 24 at 3:00 in W92-199. Please let me know if you have agenda items. If you are on this list and would like to attend, please consider this an invitation. Agenda Items 1. Progress 2. Review of draft support and service plans 3. Feedback/survey responses? 4. Next Steps -------------------------------------------- Joanne Hallisey IS&T W92-153 3-1894 hallisey at mit.edu From pbh at MIT.EDU Thu Jan 19 14:43:42 2006 From: pbh at MIT.EDU (Paul B. Hill) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:43:42 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] gaim In-Reply-To: <200601191856.k0JIukFH008518@outgoing.mit.edu> Message-ID: <037501c61d30$a746f980$b103bc12@pbhtablet> Hi Sharron, contains a link to the external download site for Gaim. We are in early testing of MIT specific installers for Gaim. If you are interested in trying that installer please let us know. Paul Hill IS&T, Operations and Infrastructure Services W92-172 _____ From: wocky-bounces at MIT.EDU [mailto:wocky-bounces at MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Sharron Sawyer Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:57 PM To: wocky at mit.edu Subject: [Wocky] gaim Hi: Can someone tell me where I can download gaim? I got a virus from AIM and think I'll be safer with it.. Thanks. sharron Sharron Sawyer QA Analyst III Massachusetts Institute of Technology 304 Vassar St. Cambridge, MA 02139 617-258-0235 ssawyer at mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/wocky/attachments/20060119/1d4a2075/attachment.htm From ghudson at MIT.EDU Mon Jan 23 15:03:36 2006 From: ghudson at MIT.EDU (Greg Hudson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:03:36 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] JabberApplet findings Message-ID: <200601232003.k0NK3an4030560@egyptian-gods.mit.edu> I experimentally set up JabberApplet on wocky.mit.edu (thanks to Mark for installing the web server there). Unfortunately, I quickly discovered that JabberApplet does not support SSL or SASL authentication, only old-style iq digest auth, which our server won't do. As a side note, our server may not be responding to such attempts properly; tcpdump did not show anything besides TCP acks from the server in response to the iq stanzas from the client, and the Java applet hung waiting for a reply. JabberApplet has not been touched in at least three years, so hopes for a new release with SSL support from upstream are faint. I looked into other Jabber Java applets: * GreenThumb appears to be moribund; all their information was in an unmaintained wiki which has been overrun by spammers. * e4applet appears to be a couple of years old and also only supports iq auth. * Jeti appears to be maintained and supports SSL, but it doesn't appear to run fully within the applet sandbox; it asks the user to trust it, presumably so that it can connect to servers other than the web server it was downloaded from. I also couldn't get it to work with wocky.mit.edu; tcpdump showed the server returning a "not well-formed (invalid token)" error to the client during the login sequence. I'm guessing we could get Jeti to work with some effort, and might be able to modify it to work without requesting trust from the user. It might be a few weeks of developer effort or more, though (at least if I were doing it; I'd need to learn more about tools for debugging Java applets, and my Java programming experience is limited), so I think we were right in designating this a post-pilot goal. (There is still the JWChat option. It looked more complicated to set up, and it appeared to be using dodgier technologies, and I suspect we'd have more issues getting authentication to work reasonably.) From hallisey at MIT.EDU Tue Jan 24 13:13:29 2006 From: hallisey at MIT.EDU (Joanne Hallisey) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:13:29 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] Meeting Reminder - Jan. 24 Message-ID: Hello, I will be coming from E19 and so, will be a little late. If there are not objections, can we start the meeting at 3:15 instead of 3:00? If this poses a problem, please begin without me in updating on progress. I will have a draft of eventual Service and Support plans to discuss. Thanks, Joanne -------------------------------------------- Joanne Hallisey IS&T W92-153 3-1894 hallisey at mit.edu From pbh at MIT.EDU Tue Jan 24 14:15:56 2006 From: pbh at MIT.EDU (Paul B. Hill) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:15:56 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] Meeting Reminder - Jan. 24 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007d01c6211a$9adc1a20$b103bc12@pbhtablet> Hi, I can't attend the meeting but will be in the ask-about-jabber chat room at the start of the meeting. Paul -----Original Message----- From: wocky-bounces at MIT.EDU [mailto:wocky-bounces at MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Joanne Hallisey Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:13 PM To: wocky at mit.edu Subject: [Wocky] Meeting Reminder - Jan. 24 Hello, I will be coming from E19 and so, will be a little late. If there are not objections, can we start the meeting at 3:15 instead of 3:00? If this poses a problem, please begin without me in updating on progress. I will have a draft of eventual Service and Support plans to discuss. Thanks, Joanne -------------------------------------------- Joanne Hallisey IS&T W92-153 3-1894 hallisey at mit.edu _______________________________________________ Wocky mailing list Wocky at mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/wocky From pwilkins at MIT.EDU Fri Jan 27 16:36:51 2006 From: pwilkins at MIT.EDU (Peter Wilkins) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:36:51 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] question about Jabber at MIT - Has anyone used Trillan as a client? Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060127163304.034120d0@po11.mit.edu> Hi: I have a question about Jabber at MIT. Has anyone used Trillan as a client? Trillian has a Jabber plug-in, but I have been unsuccessful getting a connection. (Feel free to tell me to use the supported client and be thankful for what I get. :-) ) Regards, Peter Peter Wilkins pwilkins at mit.edu 603-498-1923 cell 207-439-6821 home & office From pwilkins at MIT.EDU Fri Jan 27 17:15:05 2006 From: pwilkins at MIT.EDU (Peter Wilkins) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:15:05 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] Update - Trillian Pro does work for Jabber Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060127171336.03406040@po11.mit.edu> Answered my own question. Additional fiddling resolved my problem and I was able to connect and exchange messages. Regards, Peter Peter Wilkins pwilkins at mit.edu 603-498-1923 cell 207-439-6821 home & office From ghudson at MIT.EDU Fri Jan 27 17:37:31 2006 From: ghudson at MIT.EDU (Greg Hudson) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:37:31 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] question about Jabber at MIT - Has anyone used Trillan as a client? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060127163304.034120d0@po11.mit.edu> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060127163304.034120d0@po11.mit.edu> Message-ID: <1138401451.8791.82.camel@egyptian-gods.mit.edu> We haven't tested Trillian Pro as a client, but you may be able to get a connection by following the instructions at http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24077 and modifying them as follows: Instead of username at gmail.com, use username at mit.edu Instead of talk.google.com, use jabber.mit.edu Thank you for testing Jabber! From hallisey at MIT.EDU Mon Jan 30 14:01:21 2006 From: hallisey at MIT.EDU (Joanne Hallisey) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:01:21 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] Jabber pilot volunteers In-Reply-To: <200601301838.k0UIc9tm003517@outgoing.mit.edu> References: <200601301838.k0UIc9tm003517@outgoing.mit.edu> Message-ID: Absolutely. You can point them to the web pages http://web.mit.edu/ ist/services/messaging/jabber.html We have some MIT installers and would love to have them use them. If they email wocky at mit.edu, Atticus can point them to their location. Thanks, Joanne -------------------------------------------- Joanne Hallisey IS&T W92-153 3-1894 hallisey at mit.edu On Jan 30, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Steve Winig wrote: > Joanne, > > > > The 3 person IT department of Chemical Engineering expressed > interest in participating in the pilot of the Jabber product if > it?s still ongoing, and if we are including external clients. > > > > Please let me know > > -Steve > > ______________________________________________________ > Steven Winig > Senior Project Manager and Special Assistant to the VP > Information Services and Technology > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > 617-253-4558 > swinig at mit.edu > > > > From swinig at MIT.EDU Mon Jan 30 14:30:12 2006 From: swinig at MIT.EDU (Steve Winig) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:30:12 -0500 Subject: [Wocky] IS&T Jabber Pilot - Chemical Engineering Message-ID: <200601301930.k0UJUBFM028751@outgoing.mit.edu> Jim, As per our discussion, IS&T is running a Jabber pilot and would welcome your participation. Below, I have provided a brief overview of the pilot service. More detailed information can be found at http://web.mit.edu/ist/services/messaging/jabber.html Service Overview: Jabber is an instant messaging system that allows MIT users to communicate with one another and Jabber users elsewhere on the Internet. Jabber also supports creation and joining of chat rooms for group communication. Additionally, many Jabber clients also offer support for other instant messaging systems such as AIM (AOL) and YIM (Yahoo). Currently Jabber service is offered as part of a pilot project. Limited best effort support is provided by the project team and pilot participants are strongly encouraged to provide feedback. Finally, please be aware that there are MIT installers available. I have copied the team, wocky at mit.edu, so they can provide the necessary details. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. 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