From aurora at MIT.EDU  Thu Sep  1 14:47:38 2005
From: aurora at MIT.EDU (Heather Anne Harrison)
Date: Thu,  1 Sep 2005 14:47:38 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] Draft service page and IM topic page
Message-ID: <20050901144738.6d1wouaft8g0g88w@webmail.mit.edu>

Hi,

I sent this arounbd to a few of you, but should probably run it
by the team.  here's a draft of a service page for Jabber.  Let
me know if you have any comments/suggestions.  It can be
published as soon as the team thinks it's ready.

https://web.mit.edu/ist/dontindex/jabber/jabber.html

Thanks,

Heather Anne
aurora at mit.edu




From hallisey at MIT.EDU  Thu Sep  1 15:05:00 2005
From: hallisey at MIT.EDU (Joanne M. Hallisey)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:05:00 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] Rescheduled Meeting for  Fri. Sept. 3 at 1:00
Message-ID: <p0610050dbf3d00992479@[18.188.3.243]>

Hello,

Based on everyone's availablilty, I rescheduled this meeting for 
Friday, September 3 at 1:00 in W92-199.

Thanks,
Joanne
-- 
Joanne Hallisey
Sr. Project Manager
MIT - Information Services and Technology
617-253-1894

From pbh at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep  2 14:02:54 2005
From: pbh at MIT.EDU (Paul B. Hill)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:02:54 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] Windows installer stuff
Message-ID: <200509021803.j82I3cTd004969@outgoing.mit.edu>

Hi,

Gaim 1.5.0 on Windows will install GTK+ Runtime 2.6.9 rev a. 

SWRT needs an MSI installer or merge module so that an MSI installer for
Gaim can be created. <http://gladewin32.sourceforge.net/> has some exe
installers for various versions of GTK+. Some mailing lists indicate that
these are MSI installers but from my brief testing these are not using MSI. 

The Mono project has created an MSI that also installs GTK# (not +). I have
not yet tested this to see if it causes any interoperability issues with
Gaim on Windows. Nor have a looked at the installer to see if the GTK#
portion can be easily separated from the rest of Mono.

<http://www.mono-project.com/Downloads>


<http://www.mfconsulting.com/blog/archives/2004_09.html> has some archieved
traffic about the development of the MSI installer from last September.
Martinf / paco may be a useful source of information during the development
of our installer. 

<http://forgeftp.novell.com//monowin32/Mono%20Combined%20Installer%20Constru
ction%20Kit/README.html>

---
For those of you unfamiliar with MSI installers, these are the installers
that can be deployed via Group Policies in a Windows domain. SWRT has a goal
that all of their Windows installers should be deployable using Group
Policies in the WIN domain. 







From ghudson at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep  2 14:58:34 2005
From: ghudson at MIT.EDU (Greg Hudson)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:58:34 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] [Fwd: Gaim chat room configuration dialog]
Message-ID: <200509021858.j82IwYj5012797@equal-rites.mit.edu>

I'm going to be forwarding some mail which was sent to testers or bugs
regarding the gaim in the Athena release.  This first message was sent
by me; the rest were sent by other people.

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[7332]  daemon at ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Greg Hudson) testers 08/12/05 14:58 (29 lines)
Subject: Gaim chat room configuration dialog
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:58:44 -0400
Message-Id: <200508121858.j7CIwiDb030025 at egyptian-gods.mit.edu>
From: Greg Hudson <ghudson at MIT.EDU>
To: testers at MIT.EDU

I've tested this with both the release version of Gaim and the
recently-imported 1.5.0.  Both tests were on Linux with ctwm as my
window manager.

If you click "Chat" from the buddy list and enter a chat room which
doesn't currently exist, you will receive a dialog asking if you want
to Accept Defaults or Configure Room.  If you choose Configure Room,
the dialog goes away, nothing else happens, and the new room remains
locked.

If you then click "Chat" from the buddy list again and enter a
*second* nonexistent chat room, you receive the room configuration
dialog for the first new room, along with a dialog asking if you want
to use accept defaults or configure room for the second new room.  (If
you choose to configure the second room, you again fail to immediately
get a room configuration dialog, but cancelling out of the
configuration of the first room causes the second room's configuration
dialog to appear.)

On a related note, it might be nice if the initial dialog had an
option to cancel the room creation, in case it was a typo.

Paul has reported similar behavior under Windows, so I doubt that this
is specific to my window manager.
--[7332]--

------- End forwarded transaction

From ghudson at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep  2 15:00:28 2005
From: ghudson at MIT.EDU (Greg Hudson)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:00:28 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] [Fwd: sun4 9.4.15: gaim / jabber]
Message-ID: <200509021900.j82J0S5Z012833@equal-rites.mit.edu>

This is just another report of the same problem I noted in the
previous forwarded message.  I'm forwarding it just to note that
someone else saw the problem.  I plan to work on this client bug soon.

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[26517]  daemon at ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jacob Morzinski) Athena Bugs 08/23/05 20:45 (52 lines)
Subject: sun4 9.4.15: gaim / jabber
Message-Id: <200508240044.j7O0iASZ028151 at kamp-krusty.mit.edu>
To: bugs at mit.edu
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:44:10 -0400
From: Jacob Morzinski <jmorzins at mit.edu>
X-Spam-Score: 1.041
X-Spam-Level: * (1.041)
X-Spam-Flag: NO
cc: jmorzins at mit.edu
Errors-To: bugs-bounces at mit.edu

System name:		kamp-krusty.mit.edu
Type and version:	Sun-Blade-100 9.4.15 (with mkserv)
Display type:		ifb

Shell:			/bin/athena/bash
Window manager:		metacity

What were you trying to do?
	Create a "help" chat room on the jabber server.

What's wrong:
	I made a "help" room that is locked; only I can get into
	it.  Other people get a error.  ("404" or something; I'm
	not completely sure, because I'm typing this message an
	hour later, without access to gaim.)

	- I used the "Chat" button, and tried to join/create
	   the "help" room.
	- Gaim showed me a dialog, telling me that the room would
	   be locked until I finished setting the configuration
	   of the room.
	- I clicked on the button to set a special configuration
	   (instead of accepting the default configuration).
	- The configuration dialog vanished completely, without
	   letting me enter further settings.  The "help" chat room
	   window appeared.  The chat room window showed me that
	   the room is locked, and will remain locked until I
	   finish setting options on the room.
	- I can find no way to create a dialog that will let me
	   finish setting the room options.

What should have happened:
	If I try to set custom room settings, I should be able to.

	Hopefully, this room can become unlocked somehow.

Please describe any relevant documentation references:
	[Please replace this line with your information.]


Thanks,
 -Jacob
--[26517]--

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From ghudson at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep  2 15:02:54 2005
From: ghudson at MIT.EDU (Greg Hudson)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:02:54 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] [Fwd: confusion over gaim]
Message-ID: <200509021902.j82J2soM012865@equal-rites.mit.edu>

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[26549]  daemon at ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ken T Takusagawa) Athena Bugs 08/29/05 21:02 (20 lines)
Subject: confusion over gaim
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:02:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken T Takusagawa <kenta at mit.edu>
To: bugs at mit.edu
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0508292052410.1660 at opus.mit.edu>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
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A user walked into SIPB the other day and was confused about the new 
Athena gaim.  He was a new gaim user.  He wanted to use it for AOL instant 
messenger (not MIT Jabber) and it wasn't clear to him that it was possible 
to use it for anything other the MIT Jabber (the default account) by 
setting up his AIM account via the Accounts button.

The im locker gaim pops up the Accounts window for first-time users, 
forcing them to add their AOL IM account information.
--ken
--[26549]--

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From jdreed at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep  9 11:32:32 2005
From: jdreed at MIT.EDU (Jonathan Reed)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:32:32 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] Possible addition for Jabber docs
Message-ID: <p05230100bf474777b687@[18.152.1.192]>

The jabber docs should probably remind people that they need to use 
username at mit.edu" when initiating chats with people not in their 
buddy list.  Attempting to chat with just "jdreed", for example, 
won't work, but it won't throw an error either.  I ran into this in 
gaim, attempting to figure out why I couldn't talk to my test 
account, and realized I was still thinking in a Zephyr mindset.

In, iChat, however, if you initiate a "New Chat with Person", and 
don't specify a domain in the address, it assumes the same domain as 
your current server.  Therefore, in iChat, I can in fact just open a 
new chat with "joeuser" and it will realize it's "joeuser at mit.edu".

Is there any way to set a "default realm" in Gaim, or better yet have 
it append the server name if there is no "@" sign?  This has the 
potential to be confusing, particularly for people who use Jabber 
with Gaim and Zephyr at the same time.

-------

Also, on an unrelated note, I created a simple script to set up a 
Jabber account for people who had previously used Gaim on Athena for 
another service (ie: AIM, Zephyr) and therefore would already have an 
accounts.xml file and would not get the Jabber account by default 
from the wrapper script.   It was initially an exercise in playing 
with Perl+XML, but then I realized we only have XML::Parser in the 
release, and not an XML writer, so I gave up.   It's at 
~/Public/jabber-setup  - if anyone thinks it's a good idea to have, I 
can dump it in the consult locker.


-Jon
-- 
-------------------
Jonathan Reed

jdreed at mit.edu
-------------------

From aurora at MIT.EDU  Mon Sep 12 09:16:24 2005
From: aurora at MIT.EDU (Heather Anne Harrison)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:16:24 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] Possible addition for Jabber docs
In-Reply-To: <p05230100bf474777b687@[18.152.1.192]>
References: <p05230100bf474777b687@[18.152.1.192]>
Message-ID: <20050912091624.ihidogqm45s88k8s@webmail.mit.edu>


I'll make sure to note the first issue in the docs, assuming
nothing is changed.

As for the script, that sounds like a useful addition.  A good
percentage of users interested in the service have likely used
GAIM in the past.

Heather Anne
aurora at mit.edu


Quoting Jonathan Reed <jdreed at MIT.EDU>:

> The jabber docs should probably remind people that they need to use 
> username at mit.edu" when initiating chats with people not in their 
> buddy list.  Attempting to chat with just "jdreed", for example, 
> won't work, but it won't throw an error either.  I ran into this in 
> gaim, attempting to figure out why I couldn't talk to my test 
> account, and realized I was still thinking in a Zephyr mindset.
>
> In, iChat, however, if you initiate a "New Chat with Person", and 
> don't specify a domain in the address, it assumes the same domain as 
> your current server.  Therefore, in iChat, I can in fact just open a 
> new chat with "joeuser" and it will realize it's "joeuser at mit.edu".
>
> Is there any way to set a "default realm" in Gaim, or better yet have 
> it append the server name if there is no "@" sign?  This has the 
> potential to be confusing, particularly for people who use Jabber 
> with Gaim and Zephyr at the same time.
>
> -------
>
> Also, on an unrelated note, I created a simple script to set up a 
> Jabber account for people who had previously used Gaim on Athena for 
> another service (ie: AIM, Zephyr) and therefore would already have an 
> accounts.xml file and would not get the Jabber account by default 
> from the wrapper script.   It was initially an exercise in playing 
> with Perl+XML, but then I realized we only have XML::Parser in the 
> release, and not an XML writer, so I gave up.   It's at 
> ~/Public/jabber-setup  - if anyone thinks it's a good idea to have, I 
> can dump it in the consult locker.
>
>
> -Jon
> -- 
> -------------------
> Jonathan Reed
>
> jdreed at mit.edu
> -------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Wocky mailing list
> Wocky at mit.edu
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/wocky
>



From atticus at MIT.EDU  Thu Sep 22 11:26:27 2005
From: atticus at MIT.EDU (Atticus Gifford)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:26:27 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] Gaim / GTK+ installer question
Message-ID: <9EF1F83B-C396-42B9-994A-3CEA96FD546D@mit.edu>

Is there there a strong preference for repackaging the GTK+ installer  
as part of the Gaim project?  Given that this is not the only source  
people will install GTK+ from, and the 2 common EXE installers (from  
GTK+ and GIMP?) play nicely together already it seems like we may  
want to just embed the installer to run silently as part of the MSI  
installation.  Since some users may already have GTK+ installed from  
another source, or may install it later (embedded in some other  
installer), my preference would be to keep the installer that will  
cause the fewest possible support issues down the road.  I don't  
think this should cause any undue stress on domain deployment, but if  
overlooking a scenario please let me know.  I'm working on a beta of  
the installer as we speak, so if you have any thoughts please let me  
know as soon as you can.

-atticus


From pbh at MIT.EDU  Thu Sep 22 11:44:31 2005
From: pbh at MIT.EDU (Paul B. Hill)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:44:31 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] Gaim / GTK+ installer question
In-Reply-To: <9EF1F83B-C396-42B9-994A-3CEA96FD546D@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <200509221544.j8MFiw5r016616@outgoing.mit.edu>

Hi Atticus,

Although I am not opposed to having the Gaim installer embed the GTK+ exe
installer as a feature that normally runs, I think we should also take a
look at GTK#. 

The Mono project has created an MSI that also installs GTK# (not +). I have
not yet tested this to see if it causes any interoperability issues with
Gaim on Windows. Nor have a looked at the installer to see if the GTK#
portion can be easily separated from the rest of Mono.

<http://www.mono-project.com/Downloads>

>From earlier email to the wocky list:

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul B. Hill [mailto:pbh at mit.edu] 
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:03 PM
To: 'Jonathan M Hunt'
Cc: 'wocky at mit.edu'
Subject: Windows installer stuff

Hi,

Gaim 1.5.0 on Windows will install GTK+ Runtime 2.6.9 rev a. 

SWRT needs an MSI installer or merge module so that an MSI installer for
Gaim can be created. <http://gladewin32.sourceforge.net/> has some exe
installers for various versions of GTK+. Some mailing lists indicate that
these are MSI installers but from my brief testing these are not using MSI. 

The Mono project has created an MSI that also installs GTK# (not +). I have
not yet tested this to see if it causes any interoperability issues with
Gaim on Windows. Nor have a looked at the installer to see if the GTK#
portion can be easily separated from the rest of Mono.

<http://www.mono-project.com/Downloads>


<http://www.mfconsulting.com/blog/archives/2004_09.html> has some archieved
traffic about the development of the MSI installer from last September.
Martinf / paco may be a useful source of information during the development
of our installer. 

<http://forgeftp.novell.com//monowin32/Mono%20Combined%20Installer%20Constru
ction%20Kit/README.html>

---
For those of you unfamiliar with MSI installers, these are the installers
that can be deployed via Group Policies in a Windows domain. SWRT has a goal
that all of their Windows installers should be deployable using Group
Policies in the WIN domain. 


-----Original Message-----
From: wocky-bounces at MIT.EDU [mailto:wocky-bounces at MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of
Atticus Gifford
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:26 AM
To: wocky at mit.edu
Cc: Deb Bowser
Subject: [Wocky] Gaim / GTK+ installer question

Is there there a strong preference for repackaging the GTK+ installer  
as part of the Gaim project?  Given that this is not the only source  
people will install GTK+ from, and the 2 common EXE installers (from  
GTK+ and GIMP?) play nicely together already it seems like we may  
want to just embed the installer to run silently as part of the MSI  
installation.  Since some users may already have GTK+ installed from  
another source, or may install it later (embedded in some other  
installer), my preference would be to keep the installer that will  
cause the fewest possible support issues down the road.  I don't  
think this should cause any undue stress on domain deployment, but if  
overlooking a scenario please let me know.  I'm working on a beta of  
the installer as we speak, so if you have any thoughts please let me  
know as soon as you can.

-atticus

_______________________________________________
Wocky mailing list
Wocky at mit.edu
http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/wocky


From ghudson at MIT.EDU  Tue Sep 27 14:17:26 2005
From: ghudson at MIT.EDU (Greg Hudson)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:17:26 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] Progress on gaim chatroom configuration bug
Message-ID: <200509271817.j8RIHQXg021698@egyptian-gods.mit.edu>

I have figured out what is happening with the gaim chatroom
configuration bug
(http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/wocky/2005-September/000042.html).
Essentially, gaim's SSL framework is prone to connection stalling when
the server sends it more than 4095 bytes of data at a time.  The code
gets into a state where there is data waiting in the SSL decryption
buffer, but no callback is generated to read that data.

The fix is not obvious; I have kicked the matter up to the gaim-devel
list to ask for advice.  Since it will take time for a fix to reach
the downloadable clients anyway, we might want to tweak the server so
that it generates less than 4095 bytes of data in response to a
chatroom configuration query.  Right now it is generating 4135 bytes,
so we'd only have to cut 40 bytes or so.

From aurora at MIT.EDU  Thu Sep 29 08:58:21 2005
From: aurora at MIT.EDU (Heather Anne Harrison)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:58:21 -0400
Subject: [Wocky] Documentation Update
Message-ID: <20050929085821.15xpi7hh0rkg0kgk@webmail.mit.edu>

Hi,

The following docs are ready for review.  Let me know if you have
any comments/corrections.  I'm always happy to make updates.

Jabber Service Page
http://web.mit.edu/ist/services/messaging/jabber.html

Jabber Stock Answer Branch (we need to look into getting a better
location for this)
http://itinfo.mit.edu/answer.php?id=7916

Gaim 1.5.0 for Linux
http://itinfo.mit.edu/product.php?vid=690

Q: How do I configure Adium X to access the MIT Jabber server?
http://itinfo.mit.edu/answer.php?id=7922

Q: How do I configure Gaim to access MIT's Jabber server?
http://itinfo.mit.edu/answer.php?id=7918

Q: How do I install Gaim on my Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4
machine?
http://itinfo.mit.edu/answer.php?id=7915


Heather Anne
aurora at mit.edu