[Tango-L] Chris requested demo - PLAIN TEXT

[jan bares]

I very much agree with Cristian Luthen's points. I have attended Gustavo's 5day seminar a number of times and after the class always videotaped what we learned (or should have) with my partner. 
And we both agreed that, never mind that it would be us dancing in the video, it was not right to publish or disclose what in our opinion was Gustavo's & Giselle's intelectual property. Sorry, it's all locked in our safe, strictly for our private. 
And I believe that other students should respect G&G's rights the same way.
Jan

--- On Tue, 1/24/12, "Christian Lüthen" <christian.luethen at gmx.net> wrote:


From: "Christian Lüthen" <christian.luethen at gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Chris requested demo
To: tango-l at mit.edu
Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 6:20 PM


Martin,

though it's a pleasure to view your beautiful dancing partner ... 

... BUT: is it really that difficult to understand and *respect* the teachers and their intellectual property???!!!  Not everything that can be put online should be put online at the end!!! :-((( 

Gustavo & Giselle, as well as other teachers, need to earn the money and life by teaching ... and if everyone would just video-record their lessons and step-combinations and put them online: who would attend the classes in future? 

And please don't forget an extra point: while maybe your employer pays for a pension scheme for you ... artists (dancers, musicians, et cetera) usually don't have such an insurance. When they get older they will still need to earn their living through their shows and teaching!

In conclusion: I can fully understand that G&G (and others) don't want people to record their lessons (b/c people will put it online without asking their permission) I think it's great that G&G allow you to record yourself dancing *during* their classes _for_your_own_personal_use_ ... but those videos should not be put online (except you've obtained the teacher's explicit permission beforehand). 

Some teachers give summary demonstrations at the end of their classes which may be video recorded. Even with those it should be clear that without the explicit permission of the teachers these video recordings should not be online! 

The more the people put the videos online without asking permission (or not respecting the explicit 'no') the more teachers will stop doing these summaries at the end of their classes. This would be a great pity to those who pay for the classes, wouldn't it?! 

Of course I am aware of other options like the wonderful 'tangostudent' series usually recorded at "The Beat" practica in Berkley (group around Homer & Cristina, Fernando et others)! I love those initiatives, and IMHO one should encourage teachers to act the same way (to promote their teaching) but one should also respect the teachers who do not want this! 

Kind regards,
Christian
ps: after starting this mail I got a tango musician visitor. I recently had the honors of taking photo and video recordings of their concert at the local milonga when they presented their first CD. I have a couple of video recordings with their music - but I would *never* put these on Youtube or similar without their prior permission! And from the reaction I got tonight: you'll probably soon find some of the material on Youtube .. but put online by themselves! I gave them all the original material, including RAW photo files. (if there's one thing I can do to support young musicians, I do my best) ... BTW: check out their website at www.nocturna.nl 

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:51:49 -0500
> Von: "Nussbaum, Martin" <mnussbau at law.nyc.gov>
> An: tango-l at mit.edu
> Betreff: [Tango-L] Chris requested demo

> OK, chris, you asked for it, (and i'm no Gustavo, so please no flame on
> my dance skills, ok?)  but this is a short demo clip i flimed during a
> milonguero seminar, it combines volcada, which i did rather small here,
> you can do it as large as you want, with a typical turn sequence, and
> trying to accent the rhythm.  
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYUEZVTdvcc&list=UUvBF_5LMkB3HxaZ4TWU2mHg
> &feature=plcp&context=C35f7b2bFDOEgsToPDskKkPyhQCILoVMkvjB_3Q36P
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