[Tango-L] Safety hazzard flying to BAires

Wed May 16 15:48:26 EDT 2007

Tim and I departed BsAs on April 6.  Our flight was delayed for takeoff due "airport problems".  
Good luck to all travelers.
Joanne Pogros
Cleveland, Ohio 

-----Original Message-----
From: white95r at hotmail.com
To: chenth at comcast.net; tango-l at mit.edu
Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: [Tango-L] Safety hazzard flying to BAires

Regardless of the cost of the airfare, there are other compelling reasons to research the trip more carefully. I just read in the Atlanta paper that the authorities in Argentina are breaking international law and putting the passengers at risk because they have not reparied their only radar which was hit by lightning. According to the world's main flight controllers organizationArgentineans are operating the BsAs airport without a radar and there have been 5 near-collisions since March 9...... Of course, the Argentineans say that the safety concerns are greatly exaggerated and they are supposed to get a new radar in opeartion in a month.... 

Cautiously, 

Manuel 

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>From: chenth at comcast.net 
>To: tango-l at mit.edu 
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] What's the Cheapest Airfare to Buenos Aires >You'veEver Found? 
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:04:38 +0000 
> 
>A couple of points about this thread so far. Continental flies Quebec (YQB) 
>to Buenos Aires (EZE) on a Boeing 767-200 which has a 32" pitch in economy. 
>Pitch is the distance between seats and has been shrinking as carriers 
>attempt to squeeze maximum revenue out of each flight. However a 32" pitch 
>is fairly standard for an economy product on most major US carriers. 
> 
>Using www.seatguru.com you can determine that unlike many other 
>planes the exit rows on a 762 do not have added room but row 37DEF while 
>closer to the galley and lavatory are reported to have extra legroom. 
> 
>The alternative of course is to upgrade to BusinessFirst on CO with miles 
>where you'll get a 55" pitch. Of course this will require that you first >have 
>frequent flyer miles and ideally Platinum Elite status on Continental for >the 
>cheapest upgrade manner. 
> 
>To search for a flight from, for example, Quebec (YQB) to Buenoes Aires >(EZE) 
>one could use Kayak.com. If one did not care for the CO product you can 
>deselect them from the search criteria which brings up a Delta flight as 
>the cheapest alternative at present. Delta flys a Boeing 767-300ER from >Atlanta 
>(ATL) to EZE. This plane is listed on seatguru as a 31-31" pitch so same 
>as the CO 762. Here you can identify seats 17CDE and 18 CDE as having >reported 
>extra legroom. However, your ability to book these seats may depend on >whether 
>or not you have Delta (or at least Skyteam) elite status. 
> 
>Deselecting Delta would bring up Air Canada which will fly you mostly in a >Boeing 
>767 with a seat pitch of 31-32" as well. You can decide where to sit based >on 
>Seatguru recommendations as before. The Air Canada site will allow you to >review 
>airplane configurations directly on their website during the booking >process. 
> 
>A couple of other data points includes TAM which lists a 32" pitch on their 
>international flights. United Economy has a 32" pitch but there is also the >choice 
>of United Economy Plus which has a very desirable 35" pitch. The caveat 
>for this is that the United flight costs 4 times as much as the cheapest >flight. 
>Additionally Economy Plus is only available to United elites (Premier and >up) 
>or to those who have purchase Economy Plus access for $300 a year. 
> 
>In addition to Kayak, www.farecompare.com will provide some ability to >evaluate 
>multiple fares over many different dates with the big caveat that listed >prices 
>are often not available for booking or may already have sold out. >Farecompare 
>has gotten better about adding taxes and fees into their prices but there >may still 
>be some slight shift in prices once you actually proceed to the booking >phase. 
> 
>Farecompare and Kayak also offer email notifications of changing prices >which will 
>keep you aware of any particular bargains that may come up. 
> 
>If you have elite qualifying miles already accumulated with a particular >airline 
>you may wish to consider that when making your reservation. Travel from the 
>northeastern US to Buenos Aires will cover a distance of 13319 miles which >gets 
>you half-way to bottom-tier elite status qualification/re-qualification on >most 
>carriers. This of course assumes your fare gives elite qualifying miles >(EQMs) 
>which many white box and consolidator fares do not. 
> 
>Great Circle Mapper will give you an approximation of miles flown for any >city 
>pair that you enter without needing to create a dummy booking with an >airline 
>(i.e. faster): http://gc.kls2.com/ 
> 
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