[Tango-L] To get stuck is not a pose

Tue May 8 00:23:13 EDT 2007

Hi Jake,

I agree with your premise about the futility of isolating the more talented 
dancers. This would definitely not help the quality of the public milongas. 
But worse yet is the fact that "private milongas" are not necessarily done 
to exclude "bad dancers". Who's going the be the decider in this case? I'd 
venture to say that people would be included or excluded for reasons other 
than dance expertise.....

Regards,

Manuel

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>From: "Jake Spatz (TangoDC.com)" <spatz at tangoDC.com>
>To: tango-l at mit.edu
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] To get stuck is not a pose
>Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 18:08:15 -0400
>
>I agree with Manuel and Carol when it comes to "private milongas" of
>long standing, but for the additional reason that isolating talent is no
>way to stimulate real growth (or warmth) in any community. It can be fun
>for a night, I'm sure; but it's a very short-sighted pleasure, which
>makes it a rather sour one if you can't stop seeing the bigger picture.
>
>And I really don't see how a "private milonga" would improve the ronda
>at a public one either, which was the topic we started with... In fact,
>I'd speculate that getting all the "advanced" dancers in the same room
>(and what other kind of "invite only" milonga would there be?) is the
>best way to let figures dominate-- as opposed to reverence for the
>ronda-- and thereby screw up the public milongas even more.
>
>Not that one always sees this at house parties, of course.
>
>Jake Spatz
>DC
>
>
>Carol Shepherd wrote:
> > I agree with Manuel's comment; this kind of thing is very negative and
> > will be really hurtful to a tango community at large.
> >
> > However...there's nothing wrong with people having their own private
> > dance parties.  I think that there's a world of difference between an
> > "invitation only" standing milonga and an "invitation only" private
> > party in someone's house where tango music and dancing is going on.
> > People accept the latter but are very insulted by the former.
> >
> > WHITE 95 R wrote:
> >
> >> My first reaction at the thought of "private milongas" is very 
>negative. It
> >> seems elitist, arrogant and exclusionary. If there is one way to make 
>sure a
> >> tango community falters, it might be the idea of
> >> "private milongas".
> >>
> >> My reasoning is that in any community, such thing as a "private 
>milonga"
> >> cannot be kept secret very long (if at all). No matter the reason, it 
>will
> >> make those who are not invited feel terrible. It's bad enough that 
>tango
> >> engenders little cliques and groups already. Even in open milongas, 
>some
> >> people can act quite snobbishly. To take this to such a refined level 
>seems
> >> to be a guarantee to piss-off all the excluded people.
> >>
> >> It might be much more effective, fair and polite to not go to milongas 
>that
> >> one does not enjoy. This way one can exclude only one's self and so not
> >> needlessly insult others.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Manuel
> >>
> >>
> >> visit our webpage
> >> www.tango-rio.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: "Tango Society of Central Illinois" <tango.society at gmail.com>
> >>> To: tango-l at mit.edu
> >>> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] To get stuck is not a pose
> >>> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:37:41 -0500
> >>>
> >>> On 5/6/07, burak ozkosem <buraktango at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Milongas are social venues not private clubs that memberships 
>required,
> >>>> btw we have it here in chicago member only milonga, there is one in
> >>>> Madison,Wi banning dancers from attending the milonga.
> >>>>
> >>> Maybe people have a private milonga because they want to get away from
> >>> reckless navigators - the ones who change lanes, pass, cut into lanes,
> >>> or basically don't recognize the ronda. I understand there are some
> >>> private milongas in Buenos Aires in part because porten~os want to get
> >>> away from the invasion of tourists (who can't navigate).
> >>>
> >>> After we train dancers to not stop in the middle of a moving line of
> >>> dance for 5 seconds, we can work on those who travel 2 times around
> >>> the dance floor the size of a basketball court in a single tango.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, yes, maybe that's why people have private milongas!
> >>>
> >>> Ron
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