[Tango-L] Women's role

[Ed Doyle]

Hi Igor,

Not that Razorgirl needs any defense, but I can assure you she is NOT a
beginner, NOT an ocho machine, NOT distracting in her interpretation of the
lead, and if you ever get a chance to dance with her, I think you will be
very pleasantly satisfied with her following.

On another note, Razorgirl has not posted much lately, not sure why, but in
the past, she has shared some very insightful and helpful observations with
everyone on tango-l.  I think she has a gift for writing and clear thinking.
Let's hope she continues to post her thoughts.

regards

Ed


On 7/26/07, Igor Polk <ipolk at virtuar.com> wrote:
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> It is a good effect Razorgirl made here..
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> The message is good but it is not deep enough.
> The question is "How?"
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> Also I'd like to ask Razorgirl about this contradiction:
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> In 2 you said:
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> ".. way in which she interprets the lead is her choice, so as a leader you
> have to be aware of and open to the possibilities she presents."
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> In 3 you said:
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> ".. the spaces in between what you lead are hers to play with."
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> Can you see the contradiction?
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> I am a little skeptical since I have problems with those girls who
> "interpret the lead the way they want" in the way which means "They are
> not
> able to interpret the lead correctly" == Ocho Machine. The first sign of
> these under-taught ladies - they are unstoppable.
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> I do not want people to mistake a mastery of free improvisation dance for
> inability to dance with a partner
> I want to believe the Razorgirl message is the first, but it is
> incomplete,
> so the beginners might think that they are free to do what they want (
> including bad things ).
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> What I'd like to say is
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> (A) She is never free to interpret the lead. Her interpretation of lead
> should either support it, develop it further, or contradict it to play
> with.
> In other words - "Communicating". Then it becomes fluent and pleasant
> dance,
> sometime more - a masterpiece.
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> ( Of course, if there is lead, Gentlemen! Good, gentle, energetic,
> definite,
> precise. Not unclear, grabbing, breaking, sluggish, ripping, cold. But I
> do
> not even want to think about it right now. I am very angry at men. )
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> Yeah, beginner ladies. Try to interpret the lead "free". You risk to get
> left without partners.
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> There are some ladies who are magical dancers right out of the box without
> any classes. But they never interpret the lead free. They do what I've
> just
> mentioned above in (A).
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> Igor Polk
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