[Tango-L] Flaming women at classes

[Nina Pesochinsky]

Pablo Pugliese said in one of his group classes a very long time ago 
that a woman dances with many men, while a man always dances with himself.


At 08:15 AM 7/20/2007, Chris, UK wrote:
> > a woman .... the average 2 month educated, twice a week ...
> > It was him guiding her and letting her body follow, to be completely
> > honest she looked like she was hardly doing anything to taxing herself.
>
>'Mash, that's real tango.
>
> > They fact that she danced pretty badly with me, but danced incredibly
> > with him was a bit of a shock. I took it very personally.
>
>"Very personally" is absolutely the best way of taking it. Well done.
>
> > > from seeing this I think that women appear to progress quicker then men
>
>The idea that it's due to her faster progress is an illusion created by
>the class teaching model. The real cause is that the woman is much further
>along the path before even the first lesson. That's because this dance is
>made to use what she's already got.
>
> > I mean you could take a complete novice and get her to do a beautiful
> > ocho just by leading it well.
>
>In my opinion this is the most important realisation of any guy's tango
>education. It totally changes his understanding of the dance and his
>approach to learning it.
>
>You're fortunate to have got it in just a few weeks. And that's not down
>to luck. That's down to something /you've/ already got.
>
>Go with it!
>
>--
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>
>*Subject:* Re: [Tango-L] Flaming women at classes
>*From:* "'Mash" <mashdot at toshine.net>
>*To:* tango-l at mit.edu
>*Date:* Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:43:43 +0100 (BST)
>
>I saw the most interesting thing last Friday at class.
>I was dancing with a woman who had been doing about a month less 
>they I have. We danced together as the average 2 month educated, 
>twice a week dancers would. There was some skill but still a little 
>awkward, unbalanced and missing fluidity at times.
>
>But when the teacher danced with her she looked like she had been 
>dancing for a year. It was the fact that he knew how to lift and 
>shift her weight. It was him guiding her and letting her body 
>follow, to be completely honest she looked like she was hardly doing 
>anything to taxing herself.
>
>I came away with mixed emotions, one being surprised about how much 
>the man does actually control and two, feeling a little ego bruised. 
>They fact that she danced pretty badly with me, but danced 
>incredibly with him was a bit of a shock. I took it very personally.
>
>I wonder though and I don't mean to offend anyone with this. But 
>from seeing this I think that women appear to progress quicker then 
>men because they are lead. I mean you could take a complete novice 
>and get her to do a beautiful ocho just by leading it well. You 
>can't take a complete novice and get him to lead a beautiful ocho.
>
>Also I have heard of couples (relationship) breaking up due to the 
>woman feeling better dancing with a more experienced dancer, even 
>though the two of them had started tango at the same time. I think 
>it was because women feel like they dance well far quicker then men 
>do. I see this in Milongas, women who have only just started dancing 
>(like 2 months) go to milonga without fear. Men on the other hand 
>would not set foot in a milonga in till they felt confident enough.
>
>'Mash
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Start Original Message -----
>Sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:27:21 -0700
>From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk at virtuar.com>
>To: <stermitz at tango.org>
>Subject: [Tango-L] Flaming women at classes
> > What to do? How to discourage women from criticizing? Of course, they
> > progress much faster than men.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Tango-L mailing list
>Tango-L at mit.edu
>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
>
>_______________________________________________
>Tango-L mailing list
>Tango-L at mit.edu
>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l