[Tango-L] Franelear -- have you tried it?

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Janis and Trini,

I'm not sure what is meant by "franelear" and "franela".
This might be partially due to the fact that neither Spanish 
nor English are my native languages.
As I understood there are milongueros in BA ready
to provide explanations or even hands-on experience on this matter.
But as I live oceans away from Buenos Aires in the very heart of Europe, 
where there are no milongueros at hand to 
consult as primary sources, I have to relie on secondary sources.
Doing some googling provided the following results:

"Franela: Manoseo sexual.
Franelear: Roce amoroso.
Franelero: El que pasa el tiempo en una casa de tolerancia sin hacer uso de ninguna mujer. "
See: http://www.elportaldeltango.com/lunfardo/f.htm

In my poor English translation this would be:

"Franela: Sexual fingering/touching

Franelear: to make out / to hook up [AE], to snog [BE] (see: 
http://forum.wordreference.com/archive/index.php/t-74667.html)

Franelero: One who passes the time in a house of tolerance without making use of any woman."

Having considered the translations my first guess was that franelear does not necessarily have to do
with dancing tango, it might even interfere with the dancing.
My observation in  milongas [hereabouts] is that followers do not appreciate the 
"franelear/franela/franelero"-thing too much. But there are no reliable statistics on this ;)
The practice of franelear may occasionally even lead to tango interruptus or shortened tandas.
One reason could be that there are no workshops taught on franeleo hereabouts
(at least not to my knowledge), so it might not be done skilfully enough. ;) 
As I understand this is different in the United States, where franela-skills are promoted
by teaching in classes or practicas:

Trini de Pittsburgh wrote: 

> Teaching these franelas (sp?) can also be useful for
> getting the woman rotated enough to stay close to the man
> during pasadas.  

We have all sorts of tango teaching on tango-pilates-tango-yoga-tango-music-tango-nuevo-tango-tantra etc.
But nobody has ever thought of including the franeleo in the teaching. 
At least not to my knowledge. 
Still franeleo seems to occur from time to time, not in practicas maybe, rather in late-night milongas.
And though I have observed there are quite tolerant people in the milongas 
I assume the level of tolerance in milongas is probably significantly lower than in the 
houses specially designed for tolerance. But again, this is mere hypothesis, sorry for not being able
to shed light on this subject.

Anna

> 
> --- Janis Kenyon <Jantango at feedback.net.ar> wrote:
> 
> > More than a year ago I had a conversation with Carlos
> > Alberto Rodriguez when
> > he used an interesting new word for me--FRANELEAR.  I had
> > some idea about
> > the meaning of the word by his body language and the
> > context in which he
> > used it--to "franelear" a woman while dancing tango with
> > her.  I tried
> > finding the word in my Spanish-English dictionary to no
> > avail.
> > 
> > A few weeks ago I bought a copy of the new
> > Lunfardo-English dictionary for
> > tango (1).  The book has only four pages of words related
> > to tango beginning
> > with the letter F.   Franelear: to kiss, to caress, to
> > heavy pet.  I
> > realized I understood what Carlos Alberto had meant,
> > because I had
> > experienced what he was talking about.
> > 
> > That lead me to consult the dictionary of Argentine
> > speech (2) which
> > contains a broader definition of the word in Castellano. 
> > Franelear.
> > (vulgar transitive verb).  to excite another person with
> > caresses without
> > arriving at the sexual act.  This dictionary doesn't
> > indicate the word is
> > Lunfardo, only vulgar.  It is in common use among
> > Argentines.
> > 
> > Then only a week ago during conversation with a tango
> > dancer from Milan,
> > Roberto Angel Puyol used the word.  He said just the
> > opposite of what Carlos
> > Alberto said while talking about dancing tango with a
> > woman.  He said he
> > dances with a woman to enjoy the dance, not to franelear
> > the woman.  Very
> > interesting.  I know that to be true about Roberto
> > Angel's dancing.
> > 
> > So why am I talking about a new word?  Two milongueros,
> > whom I have invited
> > to take part in the Milonguero Conference, have a
> > difference of opinion
> > about it.  I have danced with both of them.  I have been
> > the recipient of
> > franeleando while dancing with several milongueros over
> > the years.  In fact,
> > my lessons in franeleando began during my first visit to
> > Buenos Aires in
> > 1996 when Victorio initiated me on things a woman could
> > do while
> > dancing with man if she was interested in something more.
> > 
> > I am curious what others think about this topic.  I have
> > no doubt it will
> > draw interesting comments.  Have you tried it with anyone
> > while
> > dancing?  Did the other person reciprocate in some way?  
> > What were the
> > consequences?  Did you enjoy it?  Are you trying to
> > remember occasions and
> > with whom you were dancing?
> > 
> > 
> > (1) Mataburros  Lunfardo/English dictionary of tango by
> > Sara Melul and
> > Roberto Cruanas. July 2007
> > Available at Zivals on Corrientes and Callao for 39
> > pesos.
> > (2) Diccionario del Habla de Los Argentinos.  Academia
> > Argentina de Letras.
> > La Nacion. 2003
> > 
> > 
> > Janis
> > 
> > Milonguero Conference
> > www.totango.net/milongueros.html
> > 
> > 
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