[Tango-L] Argentine Tango on Dancing with the Stars

[Nina Pesochinsky]

Hi, Lucia,

Is there really such a problem "of incapability 
of the current generation of Tango dancers to 
live up to the "authentic image" of the old-time portenos"?

The question was that tango is a culture-based 
dance.  Some Argentines believe that the real 
"knowledge" of tango was bestowed upon them by 
the higher power and that if you were not born 
Argentine, you can never have it.  So the other 
suggestion, given the cultural climate that you 
seem to suggest where "authentic "people do not 
dance tango, is that if dancers somehow turn 
themselves Argentine (instead of "turning 
Japanese", like the famous song with a double 
meaning implies), they might get some crumbs of that mystical knowledge. :-)

Or they can just just say "Who cares?!" and move 
on.  No need to get stuck in the past.

Have a great weekend!

Nina





>To resolve the problem of incapability of the 
>current generation of Tango dancers to live up 
>to the "authentic image" of the old-time 
>portenos, you suggest that they take acting 
>classes...This is gooood, very very gooood!!!! You made my weekend!
>
>Regards,
>
>Lucia
>
>
>
>
>Nina Pesochinsky <nina at earthnet.net> escribió:
>Authenticity is simple. Do you pretend or do you
>live the role? There are people who live
>authentic lives, and there are those who do
>not. Which is which shows in their actions. If
>you think that there is no "authenticity" in
>tango, or anything else, just try learning the
>Stanislavsky acting method and try to apply it to
>tango or something else! You might be amazed.
>
>But, then, like the line from the film 'American
>Beauty" goes , "Never underestimate the power of denial!" :-)
>
>Nina
>
>
>
>
>At 08:07 AM 9/22/2006, you wrote:
> >Nina,
> >
> >The "culture of Tango*" in Argentina is an
> >invention of romantic souls. There are Argentine
> >societal and behavioral norms and customs which
> >are part of its Culture, and Tango, as well as
> >all the other dances, are innately danced
> >conforming to those. Just like in your country.
> >
> > "Authenticity" is yet another elusive romantic
> > invention. I surmise that you are knowledgeable
> > about the evolution of the "authenticity"
> > movement in classical music. Same thing. It
> > cannot be achieved, and even if we could get
> > it, as authentic as it can be, ( via a time
> > machine?), chances are we wouldn't like it, for
> > our behavior and tastes have evolved (how would
> > you like to dance in public with a stranger who
> > presses your pelvis against his, with the 
> hand on your derriere? but then...)
> >
> >Lucia :-)
> >
> >PS *There is a lively Business of Tango 
> instead, maintaining the illusions....
> >
> >Nina Pesochinsky escribió:
> >Authenticity is an illusive thing in Argentine tango. There are
> >people who fake the dance and there are also people who fake the
> >culture. I know many foreigners who are much more Argentine than the
> >Argentines are. Are they faking it? I think not. To preserve the
> >culture, you need the authentic and the fake, and only when they
> >meet, the nature of each is revealed.
> >
> >The interesting thing is that we associate tango with Argentina,
> >while most Argentines do not associate themselves with the
> >tango. Many Argentines profoundly dislike it. These Argentine
> >people, who live in the modern Argentine culture, do not live in the
> >culture of tango.
> >
> >If the dance is authentic, it speaks a universal language. It is
> >impossible to teach the culture of the dance to people who have no
> >emotional connection to that culture. But it is possible to teach
> >them to dance in an authentic way.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Nina
> >
> >
> >At 06:17 PM 9/21/2006, you wrote:
> > >The fact that argentine tango is a cultural 
> dance seems to have been totally
> > >overlooked by American 'teachers' too.
> > >
> > >Neil
> > >
> > >
> > >On 9/22/06, JFPaloma at aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would encourage everyone who has an 
> opinion about what was presented as
> > > > Argentine Tango last night on DWTS to e-mail the show. Argentine Tango
> > > > will
> > > > always be looked upon as a step-child by 
> mainstream shows/films and their
> > > > producers unless there is a tremendous and articulate protest.
> > > >
> > > > We need to do this, not only to defend 
> the dance we all love, but so that
> > > > what we saw last night doesn't stay inside us and eat us up.
> > > >
> > > > And we need to address the fact that when a presentation of
> > > > Argentine Tango
> > > > is made, the music should be a TANGO. The 
> fact that Argentine Tango is a
> > > > cultural dance seems to have been totally overlooked by the producers
> > > > and the
> > > > music director.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you go to abc.com and then to the Dancing With the Stars
> > > > message board,
> > > > you will see that the thread about bad tango performances has already
> > > > started.
> > > > But at this point there are only a few. If the message board is flooded
> > > > with postings, the producers will pay attention.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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