[Tango-L] syncopation

[Trini y Sean (PATangoS)]

Aha!  The introduction of "tempo" is interesting and now
has me confused.  I would have defined syncopation and
double-time the same way Russell and Melroy did.

Tempo, as I read today in an online dictionary, involves
the pacing of music, which is independent of rhythm,
correct?  So double-time would be like taking a 4 minute
song and playing it in 2 minutes? 

Sebastian, could you please define what "contratiempo" is?

Thanks,
Trini de Pittsburgh


--- Sebastian Arce <arcetango at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Chris,
> 
> There are two big different things, double time... and
> syncopation I agree. 
> The therm "Double time" is just duplicating the musical
> beats within a 
> rhytmical meassure and that in written music makes only
> part of the 
> 'alterations du movement' such as Animato, Accelerando,
> Doppio (your double 
> time) Pio moto, Piu mosso etc etc .
> 
> On the other hand, sincopa is the rhytmical accentuation
> of the intervalo 
> beetween the meak and strong beat and that lasts untill
> the next strong 
> beat.
> 
> Example of a syncopa: Beethoven. Sonate op. 31 no 1.
> Called 'La boiteuse' 
> representing the syncopated rhythmical accentuation.
> 
> If you are a accomplished musician, think that I doubt
> myself... for your 
> reasonings and your way to communicate and share your
> thoughts, you will 
> clearly know that if you ask a band to play a 'double
> time' they will start 
> to accelerate the stablished tempo... since the remark of
> 'doppio tempo' 
> stablishes that there is an alteration of the TEMPO.
> 
> To avoid any other missunderstanding, please do not
> CONFUSE contratempo, and 
> syncopation. The syncopa extends untill the strong beat,
> the contratempo 
> DOESN't. And please... remember that 'doubletempo' is
> only a remark 
> regarding the interpretation of the 'movimento'.
> 
> As you already have noticed Chris, open books, open your
> mind and ears... 
> this might be helpful.
> 
> With all my respect,
> S.Arce
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Chris, UK" <tl2 at chrisjj.com>
> Reply-To: tl2 at chrisjj.com
> To: Tango-L at mit.edu
> CC: tl2 at chrisjj.com
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] syncopation
> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:24 +0100 (BST)
> 
> Trini wrote:
> 
>  > Chris, I think you overlooked that Sebastian specified
> that
>  > the 2 is a weak beat, not a strong beat.
> 
> I think not. Particularly since Sebastian helpfully made
> clear that his
> example was in simple duple time, in which 2 is /always/
> a weak beat.
> 
>  > If 2 is a strong beat, then, it would be a
> double-time.
>  > Since 2 is a weak beat, then it is a syncopa.
> 
> As I said: Ask three more dance instructors... get
> probably three more
> meanings.
> 
> For anyone falling prey to this idea there might be a
> meaningful difference
> depending on the strength of the second beat, try
> clapping this:
> 
>   Sebastian's original   :  1 , 2 , 1 , 2 , 1 , 2
> 
> then
> 
>   Sebastian's syncopated :  1and2and1and2and1and2
> 
> first with 1 and 2 of equal strength, then again with 2
> weaker.
> 
> See? Don't take anyone's word for it but your own.
> 
> Chris
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