ABAP Objects vs. BOR to trigger event? (Thanks Jocelyn - Questions answered)

Fri Feb 11 11:22:50 EST 2011

I just needed a little direction to ensure I am starting down the correct path and following SAP standards best as possible. Just switching from standard ABAP to OO is a leap, so this helps a lot. Like most things, not really one simple answer. 

I know you folks are very busy and I really appreciate your assistance and patience. I will try not to misquote you folks. 

Rick Sample | SAP Workflow Analyst/Developer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu
> [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> Behalf Of Dart, Jocelyn
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:06
> PM
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: RE: ABAP Objects vs. BOR to
> trigger event?
> 
> Hi Rick,
> We regularly use your option 3 below
> where the config doesn't easily allow us to
> repoint to an ABAP class. Yes it's possible
> to write an event receiver function module
> to transform the object event to a class
> event but this takes some skill and you
> need to consider the risk of introducing
> event errors into your code.
> 
> SWEHR1/2/3 are fairly easy to work with
> as there are plenty of examples of the
> function module that shows how to adjust
> the event being raised.
> 
> Similarly change documents config very
> easily allows OO events to be raised.
> 
> But status mgt doesn't give an option for
> OO :-( and most of the other special event
> config doesn't consider it.
> 
> Of course if you are raising events from
> your own code or user exit ABAP OO
> event raise is easy enough.
> 
> Regards,
> Jocelyn
> 
> 
> __________________________________
> ______
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [sap-
> wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of
> Sample, Rick [Rick.Sample at graybar.com]
> Sent: Friday, 11 February 2011 2:47 AM
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: RE: ABAP Objects vs. BOR to
> trigger event?
> 
> Hi Jocelyn, Mike and Mike,
> 
> No real hurry on this project, learning
> thing. I want to be as forward thinking as
> practical and possible and follow best
> practices.
> So Little clarification please. (I am ordering
> the 2nd addition. will need that for others
> anyway)
> 
> Like most shops, we have many existing
> WFs in BOR and little in the way of OO
> staffing. So, ABAP Objects must coexist
> with BOR.  Rewrite where needed, leave
> rest alone until business reason dictates
> re-write.
> 
> If I use the BOR objects only for GOS, I
> need clarification on where to plug these
> in.
> 1. Event Receiver (from a BOR event) and
> create my ABAP event to trigger. We have
> high volume, so this may not be good for
> us.
> 
> 2. SAP Config (as stated in something I
> read, was not really ready yet?)  SWEC?
> Add my ABAP Objects onChange, Create,
> Delete?
> 
> 3. My prior post, which no one seemed to
> like, GET_INSTANCE after BOR event
> triggered and WF started.
> 
> I am flexible at this point. Learning prj and
> would like to conform to best practices.
> The OO to WF hurdle is still a learning
> thing, so I have a bit of time to make
> changes.
> 
> Thanks much folks and Best Regards,
> Rick
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu
> > [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> > Behalf Of Dart, Jocelyn
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011
> > 11:52 PM
> > To: 'SAP Workflow Users' Group'
> > Subject: RE: ABAP Objects vs. BOR to
> > trigger event?
> >
> > Hi Rick,
> > Just FYI.
> > On my sites, we actually always use the
> opposite approach i.e. use the
> > class for everything and just use the
> BOR for events/GOS.
> > I did have one site use the event
> receiver fm to convert a bor event
> > to an OO event at runtime - so it does
> work but we haven't bothered
> > with this again.
> > The overhead of instantiating a class is
> usually pretty minimal  and
> > so often you need to recode the bor
> object anyway ,e.g. because
> > there's some unwanted auth check or
> awkward formatting anyway.
> >
> > It gets away from having to teach
> > developers BOR coding at all.
> > Regards,
> > Jocelyn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu
> > [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
> > Behalf Of Sample, Rick
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:25
> AM
> > To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > Subject: RE: ABAP Objects vs. BOR to
> > trigger event?
> >
> > Mike P / Mike GT,
> >
> > Forgot about the need for BOR to use
> > GOS.
> >
> > The need for BOR to use GOS is a big
> > one for determining my approach to this
> low priority prj. This is a
> > re-write of one of our first WFs (newbie
> code, patches galore, etc.)
> > so would like to look forward as far as
> possible, but grey areas to be
> > figured out by SAP at a later time, I will
> just avoid for now.
> >
> > Replacement for BOR-GOS or
> > coexistence of ABAP Objects-GOS?
> Time
> > line? SAP plan?
> >
> > I need BOR to use GOS, so I think I will
> simply continue to use BOR
> > for all the events, links, etc. and add in
> only new ABAP Object code
> > where required. I can already just
> instantiate the object or as you
> > stated below.
> >
> > This seems like the simplest approach to
> me. This sounds like what
> > most will be required to do anyway
> unless a complete custom app with
> > all its own events, etc.
> > etc. Yes?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu
> > > [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Mike Pokraka
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011
> > > 11:27 AM
> > > To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > > Subject: RE: ABAP Objects vs. BOR
> to trigger event?
> > >
> > > Hi Rick,
> > >
> > > Yes it is unfortunately necessary to
> have
> > both in most cases.
> > > Sometimes I just have the BOR in the
> > WF container purely so the
> > > workflow is visible from GOS. There
> are
> > ways around that too but some
> > > things aren't always worth the effort.
> > >
> > > A couple of ways around the
> > instantiation:
> > > 1.  An event replicator. The BOR
> event
> > receiver in SWETYPV is a method
> > > that looks at the BOR event and
> raises
> > the clas event which starts the
> > > workflow. Not suitable for high-volume
> > processes.
> > > 2. First prize is always to raise a class
> > event in first place. If
> > > using change docs or the likes you're
> all
> > set.
> > > 3. Create class instance in WF. This is
> > what you have done, but far
> > > less performance overhead is via a
> > static GET_INSTANCE functional
> > > method on the
> > > class: this can then be called in a
> > > conatiner operation step or even in a
> binding of the first step that
> > > needs it.
> > >
> > > This is all explained in the second
> edition
> > of the WF book. Author's
> > > prceeds go to charity so this is not
> > advertising :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, February 9, 2011 4:39 pm,
> > > Sample, Rick wrote:
> > > > Note: I added a hack. I catch the
> BOR
> > > Created event, then in
> > > > background task, call a
> > > CREATE_INSTANCE method to
> > populate
> > > the ABAP
> > > > objects instance, but this seems a
> little
> > > bit of a kludge way to do it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > >> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu
> > > >
> > > >> [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu]
> > On
> > > >
> > > >> Behalf Of Sample, Rick
> > > >
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09,
> > 2011
> > > >
> > > >> 10:14 AM
> > > >
> > > >> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> > > >
> > > >> Subject: ABAP Objects vs BOR to
> > > trigger
> > > >
> > > >> event?
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >> Hi all,
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >> I am playing around with a WF
> using
> > > >
> > > >> ABAP Objects. I built the object,
> wf,
> > > some
> > > >
> > > >> tasks, and all seems to be going
> fine.
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >> The WF will be based on Sales
> > > >
> > > >> (BUS2032). I will obviously need to
> > run
> > > >
> > > >> both BOR and ABAP objects to
> > trigger
> > > the
> > > >
> > > >> CREATE, CHANGED, etc. events.
> > > When
> > > >
> > > >> BUS2032.CREATE triggers, how to
> I
> > > also
> > > >
> > > >> trigger ABAP Objects?
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >> What is the "Best practices" to run
> > side
> > > by
> > > >
> > > >> side? I have several PDFs, but do
> > not
> > > see
> > > >
> > > >> this addressed.
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >> Rick
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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