ECC Log format (warning: rant)

Fri Mar 7 10:16:58 EST 2008

Get the petition out, burn down the... Oops! wrong group! ;

I agree. Over kill with the useless graphics.

In the beginning... with ECC6, you could not view the container 
contents in the log. Dumb! Where was SAP QA dept?

But, I complained and they listened. So, if you want to actually see the
values 
of container ops, be on support package 14 or greater, or get the oss
note note 1082156.

p.s.
After about one day of hands on, I switched and NEVER use the new one. 
I changed my view to Classic View but still have to ctrl-shift-10 to get
the details. Every time. PIA!!!

Sign me up on the petition. 

Rick Sample
SAP Business Workflow Developer
Graybar, Inc.

"We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang
separately." 
  --  Benjamin Franklin

Oops! wrong group! Again! ; 

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From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf
Of David Trant
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:16 AM
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
Subject: RE: ECC Log format (warning: rant)

I won't be at ASUG to comment in person, but add my "vote" to the list!
I don't know how many times I've sat with a superuser trying to debug a
production workflow issue and said, "well I used to know how to do this,
but I can't seem to find the &#*! thing anywhere now...." :-)

Happy Friday,
David

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> From: keohan at ll.mit.edu
> To: sap-wug at mit.edu
> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:13:21 -0500
> Subject: RE: ECC Log format (warning: rant)
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I too have felt this pain, with our upgrade to SRM 5.0 though.
> One thing I know is that I've never spent that much time with the new
log. I click on the log icon, and get the new view, and then hit
Control-P which gives me the 'old technical view'.
> Yes, I've tried various WLC parameter settings, but none of them
brings me to the technical view, so CTRL-P and I are now good friends
(although sometimes it wants to print the log instead).
> 
> One area where we might have some recourse with SAP is via the ASUG
Influence Council, specifically the one taking place this May at the
ASUG Annual Conference. The WF/BPM luminaries will be there, and it's an
opportunity to help them feel our pain. Those of you in other
geographies may have similar 'Influence Councils' in your user groups,
and I encourage you to make use of them.
> 
> I don't think it's just a matter of teaching an old dog new tricks, as
Mike is a very much younger dog than I. Perhaps someday we will
understand the reasoning behind this 'enhancement'.
> 
> Glad your mouse has a cord,
> Sue
> 
> 
> 
> ----
> Susan R. Keohan
> SAP Workflow Specialist
> MIT Lincoln Laboratory
> 244 Wood Street, LI-200
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On
Behalf Of Mike Pokraka
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:35 AM
> To: sap-wug at mit.edu
> Subject: ECC Log format (warning: rant)
> 
> Hello wuggers,
> 
> Am I the only one who gets the same feeling from the new ECC workflow
log
> as sitting in a traffic jam?
> 
> <rant>
> I've tried to get used to it for over a year and I think at one point
I
> actually managed to discover a useful feature somewhere (though I've
> forgotten what it was), but for most part it's just stupid. Yes,
stupid.
> I'm sorry if this upsets some people who have invested significant
time
> into this as it's a fairly complex tool and looks very pretty, but it
just
> doesn't cut it in the real world.
> 
> Let's take looking at a container element for a step in the WF as an
example:
> 
> Old style:
> 1. Click log icon to display workflow log.
> 2. Click on container icon next to step in question.
> 3. See container element of interest.
> 4. Feel a sense of calm and wellbeing.
> 
> 
> ECC log:
> 1. Click log icon to display workflow log
> 
> 2. Click to expand first fork.
> 
> 3. See 'Branch 1' 'Branch 2', click on one at random.
> 
> 4. Resist urge to use foul language in front of client because it's
the
> wrong one.
> 
> 5. Click to expand other one, realize you need a SECOND click to
expand
> branch itself (what's the point of the 'Branch n' tree level?).
> 
> 6. Click twice to switch to Chronological view when you realize there
are
> more forks further down.
> 
> 7. Think how nice it would be to sit in a traffic jam on a Friday
afternoon.
> 
> 8. Click to select step of interest.
> 
> 9. Click on Container tab.
> 
> 10. Attempt to throw mouse out of window because scroll wheel doesn't
work
> in container tab sub-window, which is horizontal and and thus far too
> small, and all the system elements are of course at the top, blocking
out
> the ones you're interested in. Luckily mouse is attached by a cable
(at
> least mine is) and can easily be retrieved.
> 
> 11. Click several times to scroll down the container list to find the
one
> you want.
> (If it's a mulitline element then clicking it causes it to expand and
> cover the entire container in a way that is also really annoying, but
> that's a whole different topic.)
> 
> 
> Ummm... "New and improved"? Surely someone's been overdoing the happy
> pills a little?
> </rant>
> 
> 
> So, back to my original question: what are our options of pressuring
SAP
> to re-design it or at least in the meantime give us our old log back
as a
> *default* option?
> 
> I can't help thinking one or two development requests are not going to
cut
> it, and even if they respond via that route then the thought of
waiting
> two years to see the result in ECC7 is just a bit much.
> 
> Any opinions?
> Cheers,
> Mike
> 
> 
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