Interactive Forms(Adobe) workflows with the Enterprise 4.7backendsystem

Dart, Jocelyn jocelyn.dart at sap.com
Wed Nov 16 18:11:57 EST 2005 

Hi Sergey/Kjetil, 
Yes naturally you can call RFCs and BAPI from the WebAs Java Stack. 
There's a bit of info on SDN under Adobe I seem to remember. 

And yes you were right Kjetil - it wouldn't make any sense to run the workflow in NW04 if the business content is not there. 

It makes for a much simpler environment to have just a NW04 WebAs Java running alongside your normal R/3 system and a number of customers are using this approach where they need NW04 features but upgrading their R/3 systems is not an option.


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-----Original Message-----
From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Breslavets Sergey
Sent: Thursday, 17 November 2005 1:59 AM
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
Subject: RE: Interactive Forms(Adobe) workflows with the Enterprise 4.7backendsystem

Hi Kjetil, Jocelyn:

Kjetil: no - it's not a problem to run workflows in the 4.7. This what i'd probably end up doing in the end. 

The issue is that they still want to use 4.7 as the primary application system, but also have Interactive forms functionality to go with it. Since this would require adding NW04 somewhere in the landscape, i assumed it would be a "normal" secondary app. system with ABAP and Java stack and i could run my workflows there using the RFC to exchange data - so thus was my question...
But what Jocelyn proposes seems to be a better option since we won't need to distribute users/master data anywhere and run the workflow in the primary application environment using RFC calls to the forms UI. This is the task-oriented concept Alan was talking about in his article in SAP Insider, by the way.

Jocelyn: i will have to get back to you for the details, is it okay? if the NW04 should have only Java stack then would that still be possible to use the functionality via RFC or will i need an ABAP as well? Sorry, I did not use NW with java stack before...

Thank you,
Sergey


-----Original Message-----
From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu]On Behalf
Of Kjetil Kilhavn
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:38 AM
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
Subject: RE: Interactive Forms(Adobe) workflows with the Enterprise
4.7backendsystem


"There" was a bad choice of word. It referred to his suggestion about running on the NW04 platform.
So from what you say it seems they don't even have that choice.
-- 
Kjetil Kilhavn, Statoil ØFT KTJ ITS BKS SAP Basis
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu 
> [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Dart, Jocelyn
> Sent: 16. november 2005 10:13
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: RE: Interactive Forms(Adobe) workflows with the 
> Enterprise 4.7 backendsystem
> 
> Hi Kjetil, 
> 
> No - the SAP NetWeaver 04 platform would be a Java Stack 
> without business content. 
> 
> The correct approach is to use the SAP NetWeaver 04 platform 
> for the form application, and put the workflow in R/3 4.7 
> where the business content resides. 
>  
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Jocelyn Dart
> Senior Consultant
> SAP Australia Pty Ltd.
> Level 1/168 Walker St.
> North Sydney
> NSW, 2060
> Australia
> T   +61 412 390 267
> M   + 61 412 390 267
> E   jocelyn.dart at sap.com
> http://www.sap.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu 
> [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Kjetil Kilhavn
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2005 7:57 PM
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group
> Subject: RE: Interactive Forms(Adobe) workflows with the 
> Enterprise 4.7 backendsystem
> 
> Since we don't use 4.7 and I haven't been working on our 6.x 
> systems I can not help you with the details, but I can ask 
> you a question :-)
> 
> Isn't your primary problem that they use a 4.7 system - 
> meaning that they wouldn't want to have the workflow running there?
> If the workflow *can* run in the NW04 system, wouldn't it be 
> just as easy to set up ALE for the organisation hierarchy as 
> it would be to create RFC FM's which perform the role 
> resolution on the 4.7 system.
> --
> Kjetil Kilhavn, Statoil ØFT KTJ ITS BKS SAP Basis 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu 
> > [mailto:sap-wug-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Breslavets Sergey
> > Sent: 15. november 2005 16:29
> > To: sap-wug at mit.edu
> > Subject: Interactive Forms(Adobe) workflows with the 
> > Enterprise 4.7 backendsystem
> > 
> > Hello All! 
> > 
> > does anyone has an experience or an idea about the following:
> > 
> > client is on the Enterprise 4.7 system, but want to use the 
> > Interactive forms (Adobe) to automate the HR processes. 
> > Upgrade to Netweaver is not an option for the next 5 years 
> at least. 
> > 
> > so, their idea is to install brand new netweaver'04 system 
> > and run the forms from it using RFCs and bapis to communicate 
> > with the backend 47 to read and update data. Also, most 
> > (practically all) their forms come with some sort of the 
> > approval/review process that needs to be automated as well. 
> > 
> > Has anybody implemented the similar scenario?
> > 
> > considering the scenario, i got several questions regarding 
> > the possible workflow implementation. Please see if you can 
> > help me with any ideas:
> > 
> > 1. considering this scenario and from your experience, what 
> > system are the workflows should be developed and run in? The 
> > Netweaver'04 or the backend enterprise 47?
> > 
> > My guess is the workflows need to be developed in the 
> > Netweaver system to be able to use the Interactive forms 
> > functionality... Is this correct? Can the workflows, 
> > involving the processing steps for the Adobe Interactive 
> > forms, be developed and run in the backend Enterprise 4.7 
> > system at all?
> > 
> > 2. If the workflow need to be developed and run in the new 
> > Netweaver'04 system, how the role resolution can be 
> > implemented (all users, org structure and master data are in 
> > 4.7 backend)? Role Resolution Fm with RFC calls to 4.7?
> > 
> > 3. Would it be possible to use the Netweaver'04 collaboration 
> > framework with the backlink to 4.7?
> > 
> > Thank you very much for your help,
> > 
> > Sergey Breslavets
> > Workflow consultant


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