[back on topic] Re: How to deactivate option to cancel User Decis ion
Kjetil Kilhavn
kjetilk at statoil.com
Fri Sep 3 10:59:35 EDT 2004
Which is exactly my point in my first reply...
Here you have an added button which is hard-coded into a window which is
created to be customized by the users (developers). You can decide how many
buttons you want and what the text(s) should be, with this one little
exception. Jocelyn may not think it a good idea to be able to take this
away. You may think the same. I'm inclined to think the same. Still - I
think it is possible that someone else may want just that. And with all the
strange requests I see here at Statoil I wouldn't think it impossible that
such a request comes up here too.
You can remove a whole bunch of fields from FI screens through customizing,
and make them mandatory or optional. Some messages can be customized to be
either error messages or warnings. I'm sure there are more obscure options
too. You can customize whether or not you want to run the deadline job
every 3rd minute or less frequently. What's the point, why not just run it
every 3rd minute. Can anyone here think of a reason for letting the
customer decide the frequency of such an important job?
Oh well, enough on-topic for this week. The weekend is here!
PS: Wouldn't it usually make more sense to have a "Replace" button than a
"Cancel" button anyway? With the cancellation the user reserves the work
item (I assume - but I haven't checked it)?
--
Kjetil Kilhavn
Michael Pokraka
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Workflow
<Owner-SAP-WUG at MITVM
A.MIT.EDU>
03.09.2004 14:30
Please respond to
"SAP Workflow Users'
Group"
Also remember to also disable the 'close browser window' button. Oh, and
the
shutdown feature in windows. Best to tape over the power button and glue
the
power cord to the PC and wall socket. :-)
Sorry, I have to side with Jocelyn on this one - it is a feature that
doens't really make sense to take away....
Cheers
Mike
Dart, Jocelyn wrote:
> No offence taken, Kjetil
> Actually you might have half a chance of turning it off in the UWL XML
> config - but the good doco on that is still internal unfortunately.
> Jocelyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SAP Workflow [mailto:Owner-SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of
Kjetil
> Kilhavn
> Sent: Friday,3 September 2004 5:45 PM
> To: SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: [off-topic] Re: How to deactivate option to cancel User Decision
>
> I don't disagree with you on your point, but no-one prevents the average
> user from using unreadable fonts in word processors...
>
> In fact, I have experienced just what you say. In one of solutions for
> reporting (cost object allocation among other things) we did not show the
> order level when documents were assigned via orders, we just displayed
cost
> centres or WBS elements. Someone said this was hopeless, and everyone
> agreed that more information is better. All fine and dandy. A week after
> moving it to production we decided we had to change it and let the user
> select whether to display the order level or not.
>
> I didn't mean to make your day miserable, so I hope it was taken as the
> half-joke/half-serious comment that it was meant to be.
> The Microsoft way of thinking (in my opinion) is "we think our idea is
> better than any idea you might have so we will enforce it". I won't blame
> SAP of doing that with all the wild things you can customize in there,
but
> this little thing is perhaps an exception. I do it myself too (but then
> again, I don't have neither thousands nor millions of customers all over
> the world), because I simply haven't considered that people might want
> things to function differently. In addition there is the customer ...
they
> are (usually) not willing to pay for flexibility unless we solidly prove
> wide differences in user preferences.
> --
> Kjetil Kilhavn
>
>
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>
>
> "Dart, Jocelyn"
> <jocelyn.dart at sap.co To:
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> Workflow
> <Owner-SAP-WUG at MITVM
> A.MIT.EDU>
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> 03.09.2004 01:30
> Please respond to
> "SAP Workflow Users'
> Group"
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>
>
>
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>
> Sorry - not what I meant. It's just I've never seen a user who is always
> able to make a decision on the spot every single time they execute a work
> item so... I think if you take it away your next call will be from
someone
> wanting it back again.
> Jocelyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SAP Workflow [mailto:Owner-SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Kjetil Kilhavn
> Sent: Wednesday,1 September 2004 9:55 PM
> To: SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: How to deactivate option to cancel User Decision
>
> Sounding a bit like Microsoft there Jocelyn, if I may say so.... the bad
> old "we know best what is best for you and we will not give you the
option
> of modifying it"
>
> As far as I know it is not possible to remove the Cancel button unless
you
> want to get your hands really dirty. I looked into this at one time, and
I
> think I found out is has to be added dynamically by the code for the user
> decision solution. The reason I complained was that the texts and
> translations (to Norwegian) are inconsistent. Inconsistencies in texts
and
> translation is - according to the person who responded to my OSS message
-
> not an error. Right...
> --
> Kjetil Kilhavn
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>
>
> "Dart, Jocelyn"
> <jocelyn.dart at sap.co To:
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> Kilhavn)
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> Workflow
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> 24.08.2004 01:58
> Please respond to
> "SAP Workflow Users'
> Group"
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> Ute,
> All the cancel button means is - "I can't deal with it now, leave the
work
> item in my inbox".
> The users are going to need this. You should not be hiding it.
> Rgds,
> Jocelyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SAP Workflow [mailto:Owner-SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of
> "Schrvder, Ute Marion"
> Sent: Monday,23 August 2004 11:29 PM
> To: SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: How to deactivate option to cancel User Decision
>
> Hi workflow-gurus,
>
> might be a stupid question, anyway,
> I give it a try.
> I was asked whether it is possible to hide the cancelation-button in a
user
> decision.
> I4ve definied two decisons, the system automatically generates the
> cancel-button.
> The Users in question don4t want that button.
>
> How can I hide this button?
> If so, can anyone please tell me where to look?
>
> Thanks a lot for your help.
>
> Ute
>
>
>
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