Dialog Workitem Created By the actual agent of previous dialo g workitem

[Kim, Ji Hoon]

Thank you all for your good answers and recommendations.
 
We have so many workflow steps with 'Advanced with dialog'.
I guess it is difficult to change the all workflow steps.
 
As I mentioned before, I have given the authorization for
infotype 1000, 1001, 0105 to all possible agents, actually all
users.
 
You know, the authorization object is 'PLOG'.
 
What infotypes and subtypes should be given in the
authrization object 'PLOG' to all users to avoid
agent resolution failing when the agent assignment
is HR objects such as 'P' , 'AC', 'S', 'C' ?
 
I guest infotype 1000, 1001 and 0105(subtype 0001) is not enough...
 
Thank you again.
Regards,
Jihoon Kim
 
 
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?? ??: Zmudzin,Tomasz,VEVEY,GL-IS/IT
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??: Re: Dialog Workitem Created By the actual agent of previous dialog workitem
 
Michael,
 
you're right. But then there should be technically some way of getting
the
new work item created in some separate process (on WF-BATCH's ID), then
receiving the ID of the newly created item so it can be processed in the
current context of the Inbox. In this way a clean separation of layers
(application vs workflow system) can be ensured.
 
Please also note it's not the authorization to create a work item that's
missing in this case -- Jihoon Kim indicated that some HR authorizations
were checked. What I've seen was similar: the lack of authorizations to
evaluate the HR structures for a certain user resulted in the role
resolution failing for the next task!
 
I guess we all know the workarounds now (we've actually used those that
Jocelyn proposed today), but it would still be nice if things like this
could be perfected.
 
Kind regards,
Tomasz
 
P.S. Honors to Jocelyn for listing the workarounds, still!
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Pokraka [mailto:workflow at quirky.me.uk]
Sent: Monday,10. March 2003 11:22
To: SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Dialog Workitem Created By the actual agent of previous
dialo g wo rkitem
 
 
Hmmm, is the reason not a more technical one? - it has to stay in the
user context to be able to 'advance with dialog'. By switching users
that context is lost... As I see it, creating a WI is a fairly 'general'
authorization without much security risk associated.
Cheers
Mike
 
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 11:15:01AM +0100, Dart, Jocelyn wrote:
> Sounds like a development request to me....
> Jocelyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Zmudzin,Tomasz,VEVEY,GL-IS/IT [mailto:Tomasz.Zmudzin at nestle.com]
> Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 9:10 PM
> To: SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Dialog Workitem Created By the actual agent of previous
> dialo g wo rkitem
>
>
> Jocelyn,
>
> I think nobody argues the usefulness of "Advance with dialog" or
keeping
the
> context within it. On the other hand IDEALLY the creation of the work
item
> could consistently be done by WF-BATCH, regardless of current task's
> attributes. Only in this way the creation of a work item (a system
service)
> would not depend on current user's authorizations...
>
> Kind regards,
> Tomasz
> (who's still happy to live in a less-than-ideal world)
>
> --------------------------
> Dr. Tomasz Zmudzin
> Senior Consultant
> SAP (Schweiz) AG, Lausanne
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dart, Jocelyn [mailto:jocelyn.dart at sap.com]
> Sent: Monday,10. March 2003 11:04
> To: SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Dialog Workitem Created By the actual agent of previous
> dialo g wo rkitem
>
>
> Hi Kim/Tomasz,
> Yes if you have the advance with dialog flag on the workflow just
tries to
> keep
> going in case the next dialog item is to be displayed to the same
user.
> That's
> how advance with dialog works.
>
> If you don't want that you can:
> a) Turn off advance with dialog
> b) Worst case, you can always slot in an empty background method to
force
a
> switch to Wf-batch.
>
> Both options work.
> Regards,
>         Jocelyn Dart
> Consultant (SRM, EBP, Workflow)
> and co-author of the book
> "Practical Workflow for SAP"
> SAP Australia
> email: jocelyn.dart at sap.com
> phone: +61 412 390 267
> fax:   +61 2 9935 4880
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Zmudzin,Tomasz,VEVEY,GL-IS/IT [mailto:Tomasz.Zmudzin at nestle.com]
> Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 8:59 PM
> To: SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Dialog Workitem Created By the actual agent of previous
> dialo g wo rkitem
>
>
> Kim,
>
> > As of my memories, all workitem(both dialog and background)
> > is created by WF-BATCH in 4.6C.
>
> No. The next dialog item can be created with your current user ID as
the
> creator. I've encountered this troublesome behavior  many times on
4.6c
and
> 4.7.
>
> I've debugged the SBWP inbox and there's no context (USER) switch when
> creating the next work item. I think it is because of the "Advance
with
> dialog" option (the next item needs to be executed in the same
context) --
> but this could have been done nicer, I guess... For now you will need
the
> workaround you've described already.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tomasz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kim, Ji Hoon [mailto:ji.hoon.kim at sap.com]
> Sent: Monday,10. March 2003 10:37
> To: SAP-WUG at MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Dialog Workitem Created By the actual agent of previous
dialog
> wo rkitem
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We're using the R/3 enterprise version.(470 with basis 620)
>
> I have found something strange in this version
> as comparing the R/3 4.6C .
>
> As of my memories, all workitem(both dialog and background)
> is created by WF-BATCH in 4.6C.
>
> But in our system, the dialog workitem is created by the actual
> agent of the previous dialog workitem while the background workitem
> is created by WF-BATCH.
> And if the previous activity is background, the dialog workitem
> is created by WF-BATCH.
>
> See the attached technical log of the workflow by downloading
>
> http://hoonkim.x-y.net/log.jpg
>
> In this log, workitem 425316 has been created by WF-BATCH,
> it's normal case.
> But workitem 427136, 427167 and 427168 have benn created by
> the previous actual agent (NOT WF-BATCH).
>
> So, we have some authorization problem in PROD system,
> because we didn't give the authorization for infotype 1000, 1001
> and 0105 to all users.
>
> Without authorization for infotype 1000, 1001 and 0105,
> some workitem is not created correctly, when the responsible
> agent is object type P(person), or Rule (AC), while the workitem
> of which the responsible agent is US(user) is created correctly.
>
> We solve this problem by giving the authorization for infotype
> 1000, 1001 and 0105 to all possible agents.
>
> Any information will be very appreciated.
>
> Thanks and regards
> Jihoon kim