Subject: [painp] PAIN-P side meeting at November IETF124 (Tue 4 Nov 2025)

From: Thomas Hardjono <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2025 17:04:49 +0000

Hi Dirk and folks,

Thank you for the feedback regarding PAIN-P.   (Special thanks to Jérôme, Javier, Dave & Peter).

In order to get a “feel” for the topics for PAIN-P, we plan to have public side meeting and presentations at the IETF124 in Montreal. Below is the proposed Agenda.

In Trello, the PAIN-P timeslot is shown as follows: https://trello.com/c/pNyVWM1q

Title:  Proposal for PAIN-P research group in the IRTF.

Date:  4 November 2025 (Tuesday).

Time:  16:30--18:30pm Montreal time (same as US Eastern time).

 Proposed Agenda for PAIN-P:

16:30 – 16:45:  Opening, logistics & draft charter. Thomas Hardjono. [15 mins]

16:45 – 17:15:  Sandy Pentland (Stanford), “Authenticated and stable Agentic Communications” [30 mins]

17:15 – 17:45:  Jeremy Kepner (MIT): “What is Normal? A Big Data Observational Science Model of Anonymized Internet Traffic.”  [30 mins]

17:45 – 18:15:  Kimberly Claffy (UCSD), “CAIDA Presentation”. [30 mins]

18:15 – 18:30:  Open discussion.

I have set-up a temporary mailman mailing-list for PAIN-P here:

https://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/painp

Thanks again.

Best

Thomas Hardjono
Sandy Pentland
Bruno Lepri

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From: Dirk Kutscher <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2025 21:50:55 +0200

Thanks for the update, Thomas.

Looking forward to an interesting side meeting in Montreal!

Dirk

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From: Matthias Waehlisch <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 12:38:44 -0500

Dear PAIN-P organizers,

  the Trello board is confusing. the caption says "16:30-18:30: Proposal 
for PAIN-P Research Group in the IRTF", the description says "Time: 
16:00-18:00."

  i assume that the description is incorrect. can you please confirm?

thanks
  matthias

-- 
Matthias Waehlisch
.  TU Dresden, Chair of Distributed and Networked Systems
.. https://tu-dresden.de/cs/netd/about/mw

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From: Thomas Hardjono <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 22:39:17 +0000

Hi Matthias,

It starts at 16:30pm ET.

The proposed Agenda was posted to the irtf-list last week.

Best

--thomas

From: Matthias Waehlisch <[email-masked]>
Date: Monday, November 3, 2025 at 12:39
To: Dirk Kutscher <[email-masked]>
Cc: Thomas Hardjono <[email-masked]>, painp <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Re: PAIN-P side meeting at November IETF124 (Tue 4 Nov 2025)
Dear PAIN-P organizers,

thanks
  matthias