From eba2 at MIT.EDU Tue Oct 17 14:44:59 2006 From: eba2 at MIT.EDU (Edward Acworth) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:44:59 -0400 Subject: [Macinsloan] Printing on Sloan printers from a Mac Message-ID: Has anyone figured out how to use their Mac to print on any of the Sloan printers? I had it working last year but can't get it to work this year due to some sort off new configuration. .................................................... Edward Acworth, Ph.D. Sloan Fellow, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sloan School of Management Tel: +1.631.793.7348 From punjabi at MIT.EDU Tue Oct 17 14:51:54 2006 From: punjabi at MIT.EDU (Sai Punjabi) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:51:54 -0400 Subject: [Macinsloan] DVD copier software for macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0627C605-6787-4DA7-B82C-358B4BE01C17@mit.edu> Hi guys Does anyone use any DVD copy / writer software for their macs that they recommend. In windows they have DVD shrink that works really well, but not sure what works with macs. Does mac provide us with a software if we have the superdrive Sai Punjabi MBA Class of 2007 | MIT Sloan School of Management Cell: 732.619.9656 | Email: Sai at sloan.mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/macinsloan/attachments/20061017/3b9caa03/attachment.htm From ddodson at MIT.EDU Tue Oct 17 16:03:14 2006 From: ddodson at MIT.EDU (Drew Dodson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:03:14 -0400 Subject: [Macinsloan] Printing on Sloan printers from a Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2FFA2F53-1910-4BC9-940B-A8F8C8662915@mit.edu> You can print to the 3rd floor lounge printer in E51. To set it up, go to the printer and access the "information Menu", and select the option to print configuration settings. It will print a sheet with the IP address of the printer. Then use printer setup utility in OS X to set it up as an IP printer. drew On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Edward Acworth wrote: > Has anyone figured out how to use their Mac to print on any of the > Sloan printers? I had it working last year but can't get it to work > this year due to some sort off new configuration. > > > .................................................... > Edward Acworth, Ph.D. > Sloan Fellow, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sloan School of > Management > Tel: +1.631.793.7348 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Macinsloan mailing list > Macinsloan at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/macinsloan Drew Dodson MIT Sloan School of Management 2007 MBA Candidate ddodson at sloan.mit.edu cell: (678) 637-3143 From kelm at MIT.EDU Tue Oct 17 22:15:38 2006 From: kelm at MIT.EDU (James Kelm) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:15:38 -0400 Subject: [Macinsloan] Printing on Sloan printers from a Mac In-Reply-To: <2FFA2F53-1910-4BC9-940B-A8F8C8662915@mit.edu> References: <2FFA2F53-1910-4BC9-940B-A8F8C8662915@mit.edu> Message-ID: <36DDFF6D-5558-4DAA-A7C2-D655AF8DFDCA@mit.edu> If this actually works, it might be a mistaken configuration. Here is the comprehensive printing email from last Spring from John Harthorne... John, any news on Mac printing? It is not possible to print from macs at the moment, except of course via Virtual PC. The print servers were changed in November to prevent IP printing. I complained and was told that they would only support printing via Pcounter. So, I found a way to print via Pcounter with macs, but it requires server-side changes. I requested the changes, and have contacted support several times, but haven't gotten anywhere. The last I inquired, about 2 weeks ago, I was told to contact the director. I hadn't done so yet, but your email acts as a good reminder, and I will do it now. I'll keep you all informed. FTR, here is the email I sent them in November: -------------------------------------- From: jharthorne at sloan.mit.edu Subject: Enabling Mac support for Pcounter Date: November 29, 2005 5:27:09 PM EST To: StudentSupport at sloan.mit.edu Dear support staff: I am writing to request that STS reconfigure Pcounter to enable printing by Mac users at Sloan. I understand that STS doesn't officially support mac users. In an attempt to minimize the intrusion of mac-user related support questions, we created an ad hoc mailman list to self-support and help each other achieve the perfect configuration (macinsloan). By collaborating with each other, we were able to solve all possible issues, and had become entirely self-sufficient ... until recently. Recent changes to the printers have rendered it impossible for us to print on anything but the Athena printers in the basement. We fully recognize the need for STS to ensure that students pay for the use of printers, and therefore understand the motivation behind these recent configuration changes. In fact, we have done some research and have determined that it is actually possible to configure Pcounter to allow printing by mac users while ensuring that printing is tracked and billed accordingly. It should not require significant time investment by STS to enable this configuration, and should not affect other users in any way whatsoever. I have attached a PDF file clarifying how this works, and I would greatly appreciate it if you would review the document and consider applying the appropriate configuration. I will be happy to take responsibility for clarifying the system to mac users (via macinsloan), and will be happy to be the point person for any and all questions they may have. Also, if you need someone to test the configuration, I am happy to be the guinea pig. Thank you, John Harthorne Macinsloan Moderator P.S. I originally found the PDF file here: http://www.andtechnologies.com/support/Mac-Windows-install.pdf On Oct 17, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Drew Dodson wrote: > You can print to the 3rd floor lounge printer in E51. To set it up, > go to the printer and access the "information Menu", and select the > option to print configuration settings. It will print a sheet with > the IP address of the printer. Then use printer setup utility in OS > X to set it up as an IP printer. > > drew > On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Edward Acworth wrote: > >> Has anyone figured out how to use their Mac to print on any of the >> Sloan printers? I had it working last year but can't get it to work >> this year due to some sort off new configuration. >> >> >> .................................................... >> Edward Acworth, Ph.D. >> Sloan Fellow, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sloan School of >> Management >> Tel: +1.631.793.7348 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Macinsloan mailing list >> Macinsloan at mit.edu >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/macinsloan > > Drew Dodson > MIT Sloan School of Management > 2007 MBA Candidate > ddodson at sloan.mit.edu > cell: (678) 637-3143 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Macinsloan mailing list > Macinsloan at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/macinsloan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/macinsloan/attachments/20061017/e9fa42ab/attachment.htm From jharthorne at sloan.mit.edu Wed Oct 18 07:13:00 2006 From: jharthorne at sloan.mit.edu (John Harthorne) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:13:00 -0400 Subject: [Macinsloan] Printing on Sloan printers from a Mac In-Reply-To: <36DDFF6D-5558-4DAA-A7C2-D655AF8DFDCA@mit.edu> References: <2FFA2F53-1910-4BC9-940B-A8F8C8662915@mit.edu> <36DDFF6D-5558-4DAA-A7C2-D655AF8DFDCA@mit.edu> Message-ID: <7C73472E-C993-4970-807F-6BBDA99822FF@sloan.mit.edu> I grew too frustrated with STS who claim that they will not support macs at all (even though the server side changes required for mac printing are absurdly simple) because we are the minority ... apparently minority groups are not worth supporting. I will include some stats from a recent "Macpartners" thread listing the percentages of MIT Grad students with Macs. Perhaps someone else can re-initiate contact with STS on this topic and can quote these Stats. FTR, Sloan is the ONLY school at MIT that doesn't support Macs and the main campus technical support group was appalled when I had to go to them for support once b/c of lack of support at Sloan. They could be a useful ally if you endear yourself to them properly. From Macpartners thread with subject "Percentages" initially started on 10/16/2006: 2003 macintosh: 12% windows: 88% ` linux: 0% 2004 macintosh: 15% windows: 85% linux: 0% 2005 macintosh: 25% (incoming 18%, switchers within first term boosted to 25%) windows: 77% linux: 0% 2006 macintosh: 46% windows: 54% linux: 0% At 46% of students, we are barely a minority. I do believe these numbers are somewhat lower at Sloan, but this is largely because of the policy of non-support and I bet the trend will hold anyway. I will forward STS's response to my request for support in a minute. - John ________________ John Harthorne MBA Candidate, Class of 2007 MIT Sloan School of Management Cell: 617.894.3425 jharthorne at sloan.mit.edu On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:15 PM, James Kelm wrote: > If this actually works, it might be a mistaken configuration. Here > is the comprehensive printing email from last Spring from John > Harthorne... John, any news on Mac printing? > > It is not possible to print from macs at the moment, except of > course via Virtual PC. The print servers were changed in November > to prevent IP printing. > > I complained and was told that they would only support printing via > Pcounter. So, I found a way to print via Pcounter with macs, but it > requires server-side changes. I requested the changes, and have > contacted support several times, but haven't gotten anywhere. The > last I inquired, about 2 weeks ago, I was told to contact the > director. > > I hadn't done so yet, but your email acts as a good reminder, and I > will do it now. I'll keep you all informed. > > FTR, here is the email I sent them in November: > > -------------------------------------- > From: jharthorne at sloan.mit.edu > Subject: Enabling Mac support for Pcounter > Date: November 29, 2005 5:27:09 PM EST > To: StudentSupport at sloan.mit.edu > > Dear support staff: > > I am writing to request that STS reconfigure Pcounter to enable > printing by Mac users at Sloan. > > I understand that STS doesn't officially support mac users. In an > attempt to minimize the intrusion of mac-user related support > questions, we created an ad hoc mailman list to self-support and > help each other achieve the perfect configuration (macinsloan). By > collaborating with each other, we were able to solve all possible > issues, and had become entirely self-sufficient ... until recently. > Recent changes to the printers have rendered it impossible for us > to print on anything but the Athena printers in the basement. > > We fully recognize the need for STS to ensure that students pay for > the use of printers, and therefore understand the motivation behind > these recent configuration changes. In fact, we have done some > research and have determined that it is actually possible to > configure Pcounter to allow printing by mac users while ensuring > that printing is tracked and billed accordingly. It should not > require significant time investment by STS to enable this > configuration, and should not affect other users in any way > whatsoever. > > I have attached a PDF file clarifying how this works, and I would > greatly appreciate it if you would review the document and consider > applying the appropriate configuration. I will be happy to take > responsibility for clarifying the system to mac users (via > macinsloan), and will be happy to be the point person for any and > all questions they may have. Also, if you need someone to test the > configuration, I am happy to be the guinea pig. > > Thank you, > > John Harthorne > Macinsloan Moderator > > P.S. I originally found the PDF file here: > http://www.andtechnologies.com/support/Mac-Windows-install.pdf > > > On Oct 17, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Drew Dodson wrote: > >> You can print to the 3rd floor lounge printer in E51. To set it up, >> go to the printer and access the "information Menu", and select the >> option to print configuration settings. It will print a sheet with >> the IP address of the printer. Then use printer setup utility in OS >> X to set it up as an IP printer. >> >> drew >> On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Edward Acworth wrote: >> >>> Has anyone figured out how to use their Mac to print on any of the >>> Sloan printers? I had it working last year but can't get it to work >>> this year due to some sort off new configuration. >>> >>> >>> .................................................... >>> Edward Acworth, Ph.D. >>> Sloan Fellow, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sloan School of >>> Management >>> Tel: +1.631.793.7348 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Macinsloan mailing list >>> Macinsloan at mit.edu >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/macinsloan >> >> Drew Dodson >> MIT Sloan School of Management >> 2007 MBA Candidate >> ddodson at sloan.mit.edu >> cell: (678) 637-3143 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Macinsloan mailing list >> Macinsloan at mit.edu >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/macinsloan > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/macinsloan/attachments/20061018/da869155/attachment.htm From jharthorne at sloan.mit.edu Wed Oct 18 07:16:30 2006 From: jharthorne at sloan.mit.edu (John Harthorne) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:16:30 -0400 Subject: [Macinsloan] Fwd: Enabling Mac support for Pcounter References: <4tf3li$6vjsbq@smtp02a.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Message-ID: <7C5561D6-1F37-4F59-BE69-AA417122BAD0@sloan.mit.edu> FYI, here is the response I received from STS toward the end of last year about supporting Mac printing. Honestly, I never replied b/c I was just too frustrated. Roger was polite (as you can read), but I just don't think he seriously considered this. I never asked for full support, only PCounter support, which I believe could be enabled, tested and launched with less than 10 hours work. Anyway, I have become too aggressive about this topic to take the lead diplomatically. I hope somebody else can pick this up and run with it. - John ________________ John Harthorne MBA Candidate, Class of 2007 MIT Sloan School of Management Cell: 617.894.3425 jharthorne at sloan.mit.edu Begin forwarded message: > From: "Roger Premo" > Date: April 24, 2006 9:57:21 AM EDT > To: "'John Harthorne'" , > Cc: , , > , , > , > Subject: RE: Enabling Mac support for Pcounter > > John, > > > > I?ve been doing some thinking about this and also conducted my own > informal survey. I would recommend that Mac support is a low > priority for Sloan. I?m happy to discuss this with you but my > reasoning is basically the following: > > > > 1) STS has very limited funds. Any decision as drastic as > supporting a new platform must be entered into very cautiously. > > 2) Given the limited resources STS should (in my opinion) > focus on high impact projects. For instance, they are working now > to add a search engine to SloanSpace. That is a project that > benefits 100% of Sloan students, faculty and staff rather than the > 5-10% of Mac users. Given the limited funding environment, any new > project must be viewed as a tradeoff with the other projects it > would replace. For now, we have a long list of future projects with > broad impact. > > 3) Supporting a platform with the mixed technology > environment is far more complex than you might imagine. I?m not > certain the effort would be limited to Pcounter. Saying that a > particular platform is supported means that all the other possible > problems along the way must be considered. Should simulation > software used for various classes be usable on Macs also? > > 4) Apple is making moves to make Windows more usable for Mac > users with programs such as Boot Camp. > > 5) I, along with other students, choose not to run any of the > printing programs on my PC. The pain of emailing a file to yourself > or using a memory stick to print from the computing lab is > negligible. The pain of no Pcounter is simply not a pressing problem. > > > > I?d also invite the other members of the IT committee to comment. > > > > Regards, > > Roger > > > > From: John Harthorne [mailto:jharthorne at sloan.mit.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:32 PM > To: doucette at mit.edu > Cc: studentsupport at sloan.mit.edu; chammond at sloan.mit.edu; > adaniel at sloan.mit.edu; sascha at sloan.mit.edu; anzolah at sloan.mit.edu; > kurt.campbell at sloan.mit.edu; rpremo at sloan.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Enabling Mac support for Pcounter > > > > Mr. Doucette: > > > > Thank you. > > > > Student IT Senate: > > > > I strongly encourage you to introduce Mac support moving forward. > There are a significant number of mac users on campus despite the > lack of support, and you can bet this number will only increase > moving forward. We have initiated a self-support group via the > mailing list "macinsloan". Together, we have solved all IT-related > issues, except printing. If you adopt mac support, our mailing list > content can feed sloan's documentation on mac support. As for > printing, the print servers no longer support IP printing, because > of the P-Counter system. P-Counter does, in fact, support macintosh > printing, but our servers are not configured to enable this feature. > > > > Essentially,Sloan is very, very close to being able to offer full > mac compatibility. As far as I know, we are the only MIT school > that does not support macs.Personally, I find the lack of mac > support both functionally frustrating and philosophically absurd -- > historically, MIT has been one of the world's biggest contributors > to Unix, the open source movement, and computing interoperability. > Now, when Apple is producing a world-class and elegant operating > system based on an open-source kernel and Microsoft is adrift in a > sea of seeming-incompetence and anti-trust suits, we are only > supporting Windoze?!? Arrggghh. > > > > Anyway, ranting aside, please consider this a serious request for > mac support. It is not difficult, and it is the "right thing to > do". I will be more than happy to assist in any way possible.Please > see the attached PDF for more information on how to configure the > print servers to enable mac support. I would be happy to provide > further data on how to mount shared volumes and other setup details > as necessary. > > > > FYI, I will forward this email to the macinsloan mailing list for > the benefit of transparency. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John Harthorne > > ________________ > > John Harthorne > > MBA Candidate, Class of 2007 > > MIT Sloan School of Management > > Cell: 617.894.3425 > > jharthorne at sloan.mit.edu > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/macinsloan/attachments/20061018/29b782fe/attachment.htm From eba2 at MIT.EDU Thu Oct 26 11:51:21 2006 From: eba2 at MIT.EDU (Edward Acworth) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:51:21 -0400 Subject: [Macinsloan] Printing on Sloan printers from a Mac In-Reply-To: <2FFA2F53-1910-4BC9-940B-A8F8C8662915@mit.edu> References: <2FFA2F53-1910-4BC9-940B-A8F8C8662915@mit.edu> Message-ID: <7559-SnapperMsg6704E532C1668B49@[10.96.212.152]> I just tried this yesterday and it didn't work. I had this method working last year but it seems to have been disabled. Is anyone successfully printing by this method this year? ...... Original Message ....... On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:03:14 -0400 "Drew Dodson" wrote: >You can print to the 3rd floor lounge printer in E51. To set it up, >go to the printer and access the "information Menu", and select the >option to print configuration settings. It will print a sheet with >the IP address of the printer. Then use printer setup utility in OS >X to set it up as an IP printer. > >drew >On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Edward Acworth wrote: > >> Has anyone figured out how to use their Mac to print on any of the >> Sloan printers? I had it working last year but can't get it to work >> this year due to some sort off new configuration. >> >> >> .................................................... >> Edward Acworth, Ph.D. >> Sloan Fellow, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sloan School of >> Management >> Tel: +1.631.793.7348 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Macinsloan mailing list >> Macinsloan at mit.edu >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/macinsloan > >Drew Dodson >MIT Sloan School of Management >2007 MBA Candidate >ddodson at sloan.mit.edu >cell: (678) 637-3143 > > > ___ Edward Acworth, Ph.D. The Cambridge-MIT Institute ---------------------