[Lindengardens] Two new policies

Thu Jun 10 14:08:15 EDT 2010

Dear Ona,

I have not met you and am sorry for that. Also, I appreciate your  
queries about musical noise.

Nevertheless, as a fellow-resident of our building, I do urge you  
abandon your inflammatory rhetoric, even when couched in apologies,  
and simply defer to the wishes of the building's great majority of  
owners. All we were talking about was smoking in the hallways and  
immediately outside!

I am particularly disturbed that you felt the need to compare the  
current views of smoking, scientific and otherwise, toward one of the  
most horrific chapters in twentieth-century history, to which few  
things, if any, can be truly comparable. This is how reasoned  
disagreements are quickly perverted into nonsensical flames—by false  
analogies and irrational leaps.

Like Alex, I will refrain from further emails on any aspect of this  
matter.

Sincerely,
mmm

Martin M. Marks
Senior Lecturer
MIT, Music and Theater Arts Section, 10-268
77 Massachusetts Ave.
Cambridge MA, 02139

Office phone: 617-253-4967
Mobile phone: 617-851-8955
Email: mmmarks at mit.edu

On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Ona Kondrotas wrote:

> Alex,
> I'm glad it was offensive; that was what it was intended to be  
> though I think I shouldn't have been aiming for that and got  
> carried away. I apologize for getting so fiercely into battble. But  
> by the way, nothing in the pharmacokinetics of nicotine and tar  
> when burned, inhaled, and then exhaled by various capacities of  
> human lungs in areas of various ventilation is 'obvious'. least the  
> cumulative contribution of such air quality to carcinogencity in  
> idiosyncratically predispoxsed individuals. I can lend you several  
> elucidating books on this subject -- most published by harvard  
> press in last few years, thus reliable -- should you be interested.  
> don't make asinine remarks regarding topics not in your own area of  
> specialty. it was pretty obvious to the nazis that the jews were  
> inferior, too. then think on eugenics. much like the current war on  
> our bloodstreams and consumables: grounded in 'facts' but largely a  
> political venture.
>
> let's all just try to be decent to one another.
> once again, let me know if my music gets too loud; i suspect i play  
> it louder than anyone else in the house.
>
> -ona k.
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Alex Ramos <alexisramos at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> Wow; that was really offensive.
>
> I think it's pretty obvious that any kind of second-hand smoke is  
> detrimental to one's health.  This isn't an exhaustive study but  
> here's some primary literature showing that outdoor secondhand  
> smoke decreases health in children (Figure 2 specifically).
>
> -Alex
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Ona Kondrotas  
> <ona.faster.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear rdhayman,
> I am flabbergasted that you even know the word 'balderdash' whilst  
> misspelling 'stoopid' (correctly spelled 'stupid')(. And sir: I  
> don't ask stupid questions; I merely encounter stupidity and banal  
> people or, perhaps, fascist population groups. Thus it was
>
> Speaking of, I would challenge anyone to show me a conclusive,  
> exhausative study indicating that outdoor second-hand smoke is in  
> any way harmful to you. Whether it is 'offensive' or not is  
> irrelevant.
>
> you all sound like fags, and I don't mAean like the gay friends of  
> mine who insist on smoking on the roof. at least they're not, say,  
> evegetarians or nine-to-fivers.
>
> love to all,
> -ona k.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:04 AM, <rdhayman at aim.com> wrote:
> You don't sound bitchy. I mean, for fuck's sake, "can we smoke on  
> the roof?" Balderdash! What a stoopid question. Who gives a shit if  
> most of ur friends smoke. Gimme a break.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Candy Malina <candyjoy at earthlink.net>
> To: lindengardens <lindengardens at mit.edu>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:50 am
> Subject: Re: [Lindengardens] Two new policies
>
> No one should be walking on the roof; it is not good for the  
> surface of it, and will mean that we have to replace the roof  
> sooner, which is a big expense.
>
> Common areas would be the hallways and foyer (and laundry and  
> storage rooms), the parking lot and the front yard up to the  
> sidewalk, which I imagine is the line of our property.  Your unit  
> is your private area; people can smoke in there.
>
> (I am not writing as the "official" word...but I do know that the  
> roof is supposed to be off limits, and as an owner, I am invested  
> in its lasting as long as it can.  And I am personally very  
> bothered by smoke coming into my unit through the windows, or  
> having to walk through cigarette smoke in the hallways.)
>
> Thanks for your cooperation!
>
> Candy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ona Kondrotas
> Sent: Jun 9, 2010 9:54 AM
> To: lindengardens at mit.edu
> Subject: Re: [Lindengardens] Two new policies
>
> Is the roof a common area?
> Where do the delinations of the outdoor common areas end? All my  
> friends smoke.
> Yours,
> -ona k.
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Charlie Denison  
> <cdenison at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello Linden Gate owners and tenants,
>
> As a result of yesterday's Condo Association Annual Meeting, we now  
> have
> two new policies regarding common areas:
>
> 1. Grilling is no longer allowed in the outdoor common areas, except
> with the permission of the Board of Trustees
> 2. Smoking is not allowed in the outdoor or indoor common areas
>
> If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or one of  
> the
> other Trustees. Thanks!
>
> Charlie
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