[Lindengardens] Two new policies

Thu Jun 10 12:48:05 EDT 2010

Ona,

I find it funny that you're the one asking us to treat one another decently
given what you have already said.   I don't care about your mental health,
it doesn't excuse you from communicating with others like that.

We can discuss the minutiae of secondhand smoke-related lung pathogenesis
all day, but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter.  If the condo
owners don't want anyone smoking in common areas, you have to respect that.

Everything about your previous emails reflects very poorly on you.  As a
fellow Harvard (which you've chosen to mention multiple times) student, I'm
ashamed to have you as a colleague.

I won't be wasting anymore time on this so don't expect any further replies
from me.

Your apology is accepted.

-Alex Ramos
Ph.D Candidate specializing in lung cancer genomics
Harvard Medical School

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Ona Kondrotas <ona.faster.k at gmail.com>wrote:

> Alex,
> I'm glad it was offensive; that was what it was intended to be though I
> think I shouldn't have been aiming for that and got carried away. I
> apologize for getting so fiercely into battble. But by the way, nothing in
> the pharmacokinetics of nicotine and tar when burned, inhaled, and then
> exhaled by various capacities of human lungs in areas of various ventilation
> is 'obvious'. least the cumulative contribution of such air quality to
> carcinogencity in idiosyncratically predispoxsed individuals. I can lend you
> several elucidating books on this subject -- most published by harvard press
> in last few years, thus reliable -- should you be interested. don't make
> asinine remarks regarding topics not in your own area of specialty. it was
> pretty obvious to the nazis that the jews were inferior, too. then think on
> eugenics. much like the current war on our bloodstreams and consumables:
> grounded in 'facts' but largely a political venture.
>
> let's all just try to be decent to one another.
> once again, let me know if my music gets too loud; i suspect i play it
> louder than anyone else in the house.
>
> -ona k.
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Alex Ramos <alexisramos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow; that was really offensive.
>>
>> I think it's pretty obvious that any kind of second-hand smoke is
>> detrimental to one's health.  This isn't an exhaustive study but here's some
>> primary literature showing that outdoor secondhand smoke decreases health in
>> children (Figure 2 specifically).
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Ona Kondrotas <ona.faster.k at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Dear rdhayman,
>>> I am flabbergasted that you even know the word 'balderdash' whilst
>>> misspelling 'stoopid' (correctly spelled 'stupid')(. And sir: I don't ask
>>> stupid questions; I merely encounter stupidity and banal people or, perhaps,
>>> fascist population groups. Thus it was
>>>
>>> Speaking of, I would challenge anyone to show me a conclusive,
>>> exhausative study indicating that outdoor second-hand smoke is in any way
>>> harmful to you. Whether it is 'offensive' or not is irrelevant.
>>>
>>> you all sound like fags, and I don't mAean like the gay friends of mine
>>> who insist on smoking on the roof. at least they're not, say, evegetarians
>>> or nine-to-fivers.
>>>
>>> love to all,
>>> -ona k.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:04 AM, <rdhayman at aim.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You don't sound bitchy. I mean, for fuck's sake, "can we smoke on the
>>>> roof?" Balderdash! What a stoopid question. Who gives a shit if most of ur
>>>> friends smoke. Gimme a break.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Candy Malina <candyjoy at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: lindengardens <lindengardens at mit.edu>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:50 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lindengardens] Two new policies
>>>>
>>>>  No one should be walking on the roof; it is not good for the surface
>>>> of it, and will mean that we have to replace the roof sooner, which is a big
>>>> expense.
>>>>
>>>> Common areas would be the hallways and foyer (and laundry and storage
>>>> rooms), the parking lot and the front yard up to the sidewalk, which I
>>>> imagine is the line of our property.  Your unit is your private area; people
>>>> can smoke in there.
>>>>
>>>> (I am not writing as the "official" word...but I do know that the roof
>>>> is supposed to be off limits, and as an owner, I am invested in its lasting
>>>> as long as it can.  And I am personally very bothered by smoke coming into
>>>> my unit through the windows, or having to walk through cigarette smoke in
>>>> the hallways.)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your cooperation!
>>>>
>>>> Candy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ona Kondrotas
>>>> Sent: Jun 9, 2010 9:54 AM
>>>> To: lindengardens at mit.edu
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lindengardens] Two new policies
>>>>
>>>> Is the roof a common area?
>>>> Where do the delinations of the outdoor common areas end? All my friends
>>>> smoke.
>>>> Yours,
>>>> -ona k.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Charlie Denison <cdenison at comcast.net>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Linden Gate owners and tenants,
>>>>>
>>>>> As a result of yesterday's Condo Association Annual Meeting, we now
>>>>> have
>>>>> two new policies regarding common areas:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Grilling is no longer allowed in the outdoor common areas, except
>>>>> with the permission of the Board of Trustees
>>>>> 2. Smoking is not allowed in the outdoor or indoor common areas
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or one of the
>>>>> other Trustees. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
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