[Lindengardens] Two new policies

[Larry Harrison]

Good for you, Anna. Larry

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On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Anna Bershteyn <fiend at mit.edu> wrote:

> Hi neighbors,
>
> 2 topics in one:
> (1) getting together to hang out
> (2) flame wars
>
> (1)
>
> In the wake of our building's first flame war, perhaps we'd like to
> get together for drinks and finally meet each other. I still haven't
> met some of the newer residents! Email me some dates in the near
> future that would work for you, and I'll figure out an agreeable time.
>
> As for a place, we could chill in the front yard (I've had success
> making hot dogs in the oven and having a "pretend bbq") or we could go
> get dinner somewhere nearby -- there's a place up Ceder St. called Yak
> & Yeti that I've heard great things about, ditto a Thai place in
> Porter. Let me know what you'd prefer.
>
> (2)
>
> I'm not sure if the term is used outside of MIT: a "flame war" is an
> exchange of offensive emails typically escalating over several
> iterations until the perpetrators get bored with it, or the emails get
> so over-the-top that the comedy diffuses the anger that originally
> started the flame.
>
> Every high-occupancy building I've lived in in this area has had flame
> wars. Some people find them therapeutic, others annoying, others find
> the level of offensiveness offensive. We all have difficult and
> complicated things going on in our lives, and in the uninhibited
> setting of an email list, our attempts at outreach and self-expression
> can come off sounding a bit potent. My personal opinion is that our
> building is chock full of cool people but suffers from a lack of
> community, and that it's easy to assume the worst of someone you've
> never met before. Hopefully we can work toward breaking down the
> barriers and getting to know each other soon.
>
> Anyway, I've seen most buildings deal with flames by creating 2 lists,
> one for strictly necessary messages (e.g., moving cars out of the
> parking lot) and a second for social invitations, silly jokes, flame
> wars, etc. I'd hate to create yet *another* barrier to communication
> in the building given that we're already strapped for common space to
> interact, but it seems like I'll probably end up needing to make 2
> separate mailing lists for those of us who are just too swamped to
> handle the deluge of email. (This will soon include me, as I have 6
> weeks to write my thesis!)
>
> Let me know if you have an opinion on this (no need to cc the list),
> and happy flaming!
>
> Anna
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Alex Ramos <alexisramos at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Wow; that was really offensive.
>> I think it's pretty obvious that any kind of second-hand smoke is
>> detrimental to one's health.  This isn't an exhaustive study but  
>> here's some
>> primary literature showing that outdoor secondhand smoke decreases  
>> health in
>> children (Figure 2 specifically).
>> -Alex
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Ona Kondrotas  
>> <ona.faster.k at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear rdhayman,
>>> I am flabbergasted that you even know the word 'balderdash' whilst
>>> misspelling 'stoopid' (correctly spelled 'stupid')(. And sir: I  
>>> don't ask
>>> stupid questions; I merely encounter stupidity and banal people  
>>> or, perhaps,
>>> fascist population groups. Thus it was
>>>
>>> Speaking of, I would challenge anyone to show me a conclusive,  
>>> exhausative
>>> study indicating that outdoor second-hand smoke is in any way  
>>> harmful to
>>> you. Whether it is 'offensive' or not is irrelevant.
>>>
>>> you all sound like fags, and I don't mAean like the gay friends of  
>>> mine
>>> who insist on smoking on the roof. at least they're not, say,  
>>> evegetarians
>>> or nine-to-fivers.
>>>
>>> love to all,
>>> -ona k.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:04 AM, <rdhayman at aim.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You don't sound bitchy. I mean, for fuck's sake, "can we smoke on  
>>>> the
>>>> roof?" Balderdash! What a stoopid question. Who gives a shit if  
>>>> most of ur
>>>> friends smoke. Gimme a break.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Candy Malina <candyjoy at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: lindengardens <lindengardens at mit.edu>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:50 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lindengardens] Two new policies
>>>>
>>>> No one should be walking on the roof; it is not good for the  
>>>> surface of
>>>> it, and will mean that we have to replace the roof sooner, which  
>>>> is a big
>>>> expense.
>>>>
>>>> Common areas would be the hallways and foyer (and laundry and  
>>>> storage
>>>> rooms), the parking lot and the front yard up to the sidewalk,  
>>>> which I
>>>> imagine is the line of our property.  Your unit is your private  
>>>> area; people
>>>> can smoke in there.
>>>>
>>>> (I am not writing as the "official" word...but I do know that the  
>>>> roof is
>>>> supposed to be off limits, and as an owner, I am invested in its  
>>>> lasting as
>>>> long as it can.  And I am personally very bothered by smoke  
>>>> coming into my
>>>> unit through the windows, or having to walk through cigarette  
>>>> smoke in the
>>>> hallways.)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your cooperation!
>>>>
>>>> Candy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ona Kondrotas
>>>> Sent: Jun 9, 2010 9:54 AM
>>>> To: lindengardens at mit.edu
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lindengardens] Two new policies
>>>>
>>>> Is the roof a common area?
>>>> Where do the delinations of the outdoor common areas end? All my  
>>>> friends
>>>> smoke.
>>>> Yours,
>>>> -ona k.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Charlie Denison <cdenison at comcast.net 
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Linden Gate owners and tenants,
>>>>>
>>>>> As a result of yesterday's Condo Association Annual Meeting, we  
>>>>> now have
>>>>> two new policies regarding common areas:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Grilling is no longer allowed in the outdoor common areas,  
>>>>> except
>>>>> with the permission of the Board of Trustees
>>>>> 2. Smoking is not allowed in the outdoor or indoor common areas
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or one  
>>>>> of the
>>>>> other Trustees. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
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