[Lindengardens] Two new policies

Thu Jun 10 11:37:14 EDT 2010

I really would prefer that. I don't want to get into flame wars because when
I get angry it gets out of control, and I've spent years working on being
calm. thanks for taking a viewpoint of equanimity and sifting out the
precipitate of harsh feelings that was forming.

yours,
-ona k.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Anna Bershteyn <fiend at mit.edu> wrote:

> Hi neighbors,
>
> 2 topics in one:
> (1) getting together to hang out
> (2) flame wars
>
> (1)
>
> In the wake of our building's first flame war, perhaps we'd like to
> get together for drinks and finally meet each other. I still haven't
> met some of the newer residents! Email me some dates in the near
> future that would work for you, and I'll figure out an agreeable time.
>
> As for a place, we could chill in the front yard (I've had success
> making hot dogs in the oven and having a "pretend bbq") or we could go
> get dinner somewhere nearby -- there's a place up Ceder St. called Yak
> & Yeti that I've heard great things about, ditto a Thai place in
> Porter. Let me know what you'd prefer.
>
> (2)
>
> I'm not sure if the term is used outside of MIT: a "flame war" is an
> exchange of offensive emails typically escalating over several
> iterations until the perpetrators get bored with it, or the emails get
> so over-the-top that the comedy diffuses the anger that originally
> started the flame.
>
> Every high-occupancy building I've lived in in this area has had flame
> wars. Some people find them therapeutic, others annoying, others find
> the level of offensiveness offensive. We all have difficult and
> complicated things going on in our lives, and in the uninhibited
> setting of an email list, our attempts at outreach and self-expression
> can come off sounding a bit potent. My personal opinion is that our
> building is chock full of cool people but suffers from a lack of
> community, and that it's easy to assume the worst of someone you've
> never met before. Hopefully we can work toward breaking down the
> barriers and getting to know each other soon.
>
> Anyway, I've seen most buildings deal with flames by creating 2 lists,
> one for strictly necessary messages (e.g., moving cars out of the
> parking lot) and a second for social invitations, silly jokes, flame
> wars, etc. I'd hate to create yet *another* barrier to communication
> in the building given that we're already strapped for common space to
> interact, but it seems like I'll probably end up needing to make 2
> separate mailing lists for those of us who are just too swamped to
> handle the deluge of email. (This will soon include me, as I have 6
> weeks to write my thesis!)
>
> Let me know if you have an opinion on this (no need to cc the list),
> and happy flaming!
>
>  Anna
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Alex Ramos <alexisramos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wow; that was really offensive.
> > I think it's pretty obvious that any kind of second-hand smoke is
> > detrimental to one's health.  This isn't an exhaustive study but here's
> some
> > primary literature showing that outdoor secondhand smoke decreases health
> in
> > children (Figure 2 specifically).
> > -Alex
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Ona Kondrotas <ona.faster.k at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear rdhayman,
> >> I am flabbergasted that you even know the word 'balderdash' whilst
> >> misspelling 'stoopid' (correctly spelled 'stupid')(. And sir: I don't
> ask
> >> stupid questions; I merely encounter stupidity and banal people or,
> perhaps,
> >> fascist population groups. Thus it was
> >>
> >> Speaking of, I would challenge anyone to show me a conclusive,
> exhausative
> >> study indicating that outdoor second-hand smoke is in any way harmful to
> >> you. Whether it is 'offensive' or not is irrelevant.
> >>
> >> you all sound like fags, and I don't mAean like the gay friends of mine
> >> who insist on smoking on the roof. at least they're not, say,
> evegetarians
> >> or nine-to-fivers.
> >>
> >> love to all,
> >> -ona k.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:04 AM, <rdhayman at aim.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You don't sound bitchy. I mean, for fuck's sake, "can we smoke on the
> >>> roof?" Balderdash! What a stoopid question. Who gives a shit if most of
> ur
> >>> friends smoke. Gimme a break.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Candy Malina <candyjoy at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: lindengardens <lindengardens at mit.edu>
> >>> Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 10:50 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [Lindengardens] Two new policies
> >>>
> >>> No one should be walking on the roof; it is not good for the surface of
> >>> it, and will mean that we have to replace the roof sooner, which is a
> big
> >>> expense.
> >>>
> >>> Common areas would be the hallways and foyer (and laundry and storage
> >>> rooms), the parking lot and the front yard up to the sidewalk, which I
> >>> imagine is the line of our property.  Your unit is your private area;
> people
> >>> can smoke in there.
> >>>
> >>> (I am not writing as the "official" word...but I do know that the roof
> is
> >>> supposed to be off limits, and as an owner, I am invested in its
> lasting as
> >>> long as it can.  And I am personally very bothered by smoke coming into
> my
> >>> unit through the windows, or having to walk through cigarette smoke in
> the
> >>> hallways.)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your cooperation!
> >>>
> >>> Candy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Ona Kondrotas
> >>> Sent: Jun 9, 2010 9:54 AM
> >>> To: lindengardens at mit.edu
> >>> Subject: Re: [Lindengardens] Two new policies
> >>>
> >>> Is the roof a common area?
> >>> Where do the delinations of the outdoor common areas end? All my
> friends
> >>> smoke.
> >>> Yours,
> >>> -ona k.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Charlie Denison <cdenison at comcast.net
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Linden Gate owners and tenants,
> >>>>
> >>>> As a result of yesterday's Condo Association Annual Meeting, we now
> have
> >>>> two new policies regarding common areas:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Grilling is no longer allowed in the outdoor common areas, except
> >>>> with the permission of the Board of Trustees
> >>>> 2. Smoking is not allowed in the outdoor or indoor common areas
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or one of
> the
> >>>> other Trustees. Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> Charlie
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