Prob: failed to verify krb5 credentials: Server not

slaindevil@kabelmail.de slaindevil at kabelmail.de
Thu Feb 5 20:13:46 EST 2009


Ok, it works fine now! I changed the FQDN!

Thank you very much for your effort and time!

Greets,


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas E. Engert" <deengert at anl.gov>
To: <slaindevil at kabelmail.de>
Cc: <paul.moore at centrify.com>; <kerberos at mit.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: Prob: failed to verify krb5 credentials: Server not


> Your problem is the host name is not a FQDN. It is returning wiki.
> which the server tries to user in a principal name: HTTP/wiki.
> This is not found in the KDC.
> 
> type the command hostname and see what it says.
> 
> Usually changing the /etc/hosts file from:
> n.n.n.n  wiki
> to:
> n.n.n.n wiki.test.lan wiki
> 
> Also read man page on hostname, as there may be a hostname.something
> with the name wike.
> 
> 
> 
> slaindevil at kabelmail.de wrote:
>> Okay... I used "tcpdump -s 65535 -w out.dump" to generate a dump of the network traffic and loaded it into Wireshark with the kerberos filter on...
>> 
>> I get the following:
>> The ticket:
>> Client Realm: SRV.TEST.LAN
>> Client Name (Principal): SlainDevil
>> Tkt-vno: 5
>> Realm: SRV.TEST.LAN
>> Server Name (Unknown): krbtgt/SRV.TEST.LAN
>> Encryption type: rc4-hmac (23)
>> Encryption type: des-cbc-md5 (3)
>> 
>> And then the error message:
>> error_code: KRB5KDC_ERR_S_PRINCIPAL_UNKNOWN (7)
>> Realm: SRV.TEST.LAN
>> Server Name (Service and Host): HTTP/wiki
>> 
>> I guess the last point is the mistake, isnt it? It should be HTTP/wiki.test.lan?
>> Anyone got a clue how to fix that? Currently I got no idea why this happens... :(
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply ---------------
>> From: paul.moore at centrify.com
>> To  : slaindevil at kabelmail.de;deengert at anl.gov
>> Date: 04.02.2009 01:35:12
>> 
>> 
>> <html>
>>     <text>So does that user have the correct spn. Adsiedit will tell you</text>
>>     <br />
>>     <br />
>>     <text>----- Original Message -----</text>
>>     <br />
>>     <text>From:</text>
>>     <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= slaindevil at kabelmail.de ">
>>         <text>slaindevil at kabelmail.de</text>
>>     </a>
>>     <slaindevil at kabelmail.de />
>>     <br />
>>     <text>To: Paul Moore;</text>
>>     <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= deengert at anl.gov ">
>>         <text>deengert at anl.gov</text>
>>     </a>
>>     <deengert at anl.gov>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Cc:</text>
>>         <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= kerberos at mit.edu ">
>>             <text>kerberos at mit.edu</text>
>>         </a>
>>         <kerberos at mit.edu />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Sent: Tue Feb 03 16:57:02 2009</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Subject: Re: RE: Prob: failed to verify krb5 credentials: Server not</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Yeah, I got several accounts.</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>The one for the application. Its name is TWikiUser. This name and its password is in the keytab file for the authentication via Kerberos. The authentication via the keytab file works. I tried it with "kinit -k -t /etc/http.keytab HTTP/wiki.test.lan". I got the ticket from the AD. KVNO and encryption type were allright.</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Every user shall login with its already existing AD accounts. These are the logins, which I try to enter in the login prompt when I visit</text>
>>         <a target="_blank" href="http://wiki.test.lan:8080">
>>             <text>http://wiki.test.lan:8080</text>
>>         </a>
>>         <text>.</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>-------- Kabel E-Mail Reply ---------------</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>From:</text>
>>         <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= paul.moore at centrify.com">
>>             <text>paul.moore at centrify.com</text>
>>         </a>
>>         <text>To  : slaindevil at kabelmail.de;deengert at anl.gov</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Date: 04.02.2009 00:29:27</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>there are 2 user accounts</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>a) one for the application</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>b) one (or more) for the user you are logging on with</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>user (a) must have an SPD of http/wiki.test.lan , the actual upn does</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>not matter wikiwebserver will do nicely</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>user (b) is just a regular use</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>-----Original Message-----</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>From:</text>
>>         <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= slaindevil at kabelmail.de ">
>>             <text>slaindevil at kabelmail.de</text>
>>         </a>
>>         <text>[mailto:slaindevil at kabelmail.de]</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:21 PM</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>To:</text>
>>         <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= deengert at anl.gov">
>>             <text>deengert at anl.gov</text>
>>         </a>
>>         <text>Cc: Paul Moore;</text>
>>         <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= kerberos at mit.edu">
>>             <text>kerberos at mit.edu</text>
>>         </a>
>>         <text>Subject: Re: Prob: failed to verify krb5 credentials: Server not in=</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>>  Who owns /etc/http.keytab? Apache needs access to the file.</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>The apache has access to the keytab. I also put the keytab directly into</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>the twiki web directory itself. Made no change...</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> Does hostname on the unix system show the FQDN: wiki.test.lan?</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>I did a nslookup on the unix system and it showed me the server as</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>wiki.test.lan.</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>I thought this would be enough on finding out the FQDN... Am I wrong</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>with that?</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> How did you create this account, and why do you think the key and kvno</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>in the</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> keytab matche what is in AD?</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>I created the account on the AD manually... Then I created the keytab</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>file by using ktpass with the SPN, the username, the password and some</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>other things for the encryption. I can give you the complete exact</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>information tomorrow...</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> As Paul said:  Wireshark. It can parse Kerberos packets.</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Okay, I got some experience with wireshark, just did not think about</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>it...</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Ill try it out :)</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> there needs to be a principal (user or computer) in AD with a Service</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> Principal Name equal to http/wiki.test.len</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>></text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> this gets created for a windows machine when the machine joins</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>></text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> you seem to be doing this by hand. So you must use setspn (addspn? I</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> forget) to add an SPN to the user or machine account for which you</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>have</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> created the keytab. Or adsiedit will do it</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>></text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> shameless commercial plug: you could always use a commercial solution</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> such as Centrify DirectControl , it will do the right thing</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>> automatically for you</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Mh... I dont know if I get you right... Currently the users name at the</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>AD, thats also in the keytab file, is TWikiUser. So I have to change its</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>username to http/wiki.test.lan?</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>Greets,</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <br />
>>         <text>----- Original Message -----</text>
>>         <br />
>>         <text>From: "Douglas E. Engert"</text>
>>         <deengert at anl.gov>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>To:</text>
>>             <slaindevil at kabelmail.de />
>>             <br />
>>             <text>Cc:</text>
>>             <paul.moore at centrify.com />
>>             <text>;</text>
>>             <kerberos at mit.edu />
>>             <br />
>>             <text>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:07 AM</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>Subject: Re: Prob: failed to verify krb5 credentials: Server not found</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>in=20</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <br />
>>             <br />
>>             <text>> Two more things:</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>  Who owns /etc/http.keytab? Apache needs access to the file.</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>> Does hostname on the unix system show the FQDN: wiki.test.lan?</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>></text>
>>             <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= slaindevil at kabelmail.de ">
>>                 <text>slaindevil at kabelmail.de</text>
>>             </a>
>>             <text>wrote:</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> First of all, thanks for your answers and interest.</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> I already tried it without the port, because I realized, short after</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>I sent my first mail, that the port is really not part of the name.</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> So I recreated the keytab file with HTTP/wiki.test.lan at SRV.TEST.LAN.</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> Kinit still works, but the "Server not in kerberos database" problem</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>still remains.</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> @Paul Moore: What do you mean, with "an AD account with that SPN"?</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>Could you be just a little more specific? Its late over here in germany</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>;)</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> I had created an extra user and password at the AD. This login is</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>saved inside of the keytab together with the SPN:</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>HTTP/wiki.test.lan at SRV.TEST.LAN</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> BTW: Is there a way, to find out, what adress the server is looking</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>for?</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> Greets,</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>></text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> ----- Original Message -----</text>
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> From: "Paul Moore"</text>
>>             <paul.moore at centrify.com />
>>             <br />
>>             <text>>> To: "Douglas E. Engert"</text>
>>             <deengert at anl.gov>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> Cc:</text>
>>                 <slaindevil at kabelmail.de />
>>                 <text>;</text>
>>                 <kerberos at mit.edu />
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:14 PM</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> Subject: RE: Prob: failed to verify krb5 credentials: Server not</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>found in Kerb</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> for sure the port number should not be in the SPN. I didnt even</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>notice</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> that. I was wondering if there is any principal at all</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> -----Original Message-----</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> From: Douglas E. Engert [mailto:deengert at anl.gov]</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:13 PM</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> To: Paul Moore</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> Cc: slaindevil at kabelmail.de;</text>
>>                 <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= kerberos at mit.edu">
>>                     <text>kerberos at mit.edu</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <text>>> Subject: Re: Prob: failed to verify krb5 credentials: Server not</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>found</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> in Kerb</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> Paul Moore wrote:</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> is there an AD account with that SPN?</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> HTTP/wiki.test.lan:8080 at SRV.TEST.LAN</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> The port number :8080 is usually not part of the principal name.</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> So the browser may be looking for HTTP/wiki.test.lan at SRV.TEST.LAN</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> -----Original Message-----</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> From:</text>
>>                 <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= kerberos-bounces at mit.edu ">
>>                     <text>kerberos-bounces at mit.edu</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <text>[mailto:kerberos-bounces at mit.edu] On</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Behalf Of</text>
>>                 <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= slaindevil at kabelmail.de">
>>                     <text>slaindevil at kabelmail.de</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <text>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:28 AM</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> To:</text>
>>                 <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= kerberos at mit.edu">
>>                     <text>kerberos at mit.edu</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <text>>>> Subject: Prob: failed to verify krb5 credentials: Server not found</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>in</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Kerb</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Hey guys,</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> I am short before dispairing :(</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Maybe someone has time and likes to help me? :)</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> I am trying to set up kerberos to authenticate a</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> TWiki running on Unix against an Windows Server 2003 Active</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> Directory...</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> I configured the krb5.conf like this:</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> [logging]</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  ...</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> [libdefaults]</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  default_realm = SRV.TEST.LAN</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  dns_lookup_realm = false</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  dns_lookup_kdc = false</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  ticket_lifetime = 24000</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  forwardable = yes</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> [realms]</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  SRV.TEST.LAN = {</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>   kdc = location.srv.test.lan:88</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>   admin_server =  location.srv.test.lan:749</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>   default_domain = SRV.TEST.LAN</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  }</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> [domain_realm]</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  .test.lan = SRV.TEST.LAN</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  test.lan = SRV.TEST.LAN</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> [appdefaults]</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  pam = {</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>    debug = false</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>    ticket_lifetime = 24000</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>    renew_lifetime = 36000</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>    forwardable = true</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>    krb4_convert = false</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>>  }</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> When I use "kinit" everything works fine. With every valid login I</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>get</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> a</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> ticket...</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Then I created the keytab file, set with a valid user and password</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>for</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> the service: HTTP/wiki.test.lan:8080 at SRV.TEST.LAN</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> Leave  off the :8080</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <a target="_blank" href="http://wiki.test.lan:8080/bin">
>>                     <text>http://wiki.test.lan:8080/bin</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <text>is the url I type into the browser...</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> When I use "kinit" with the keytab and HTTP/wiki.test.lan:8080</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> everything works fine... I get a ticket...</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Now I wanna setup the twiki to use kerberos to authenticate with...</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> The httpd.conf for the "bin" directory at</text>
>>                 <a target="_blank" href="http://wiki.test.lan:8080/">
>>                     <text>http://wiki.test.lan:8080/</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> is</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> like following:</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Order Deny,Allow</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Allow from all</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> AuthType Kerberos</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> KrbAuthRealms SRV.TEST.LAN</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> KrbServiceName HTTP</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Krb5Keytab /etc/http.keytab</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> KrbMethodNegotiate on</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> KrbMethodK5Passwd on</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Require valid-user</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> When I browse to "</text>
>>                 <a target="_blank" href="http://wiki.srv.lan:8080/bin">
>>                     <text>http://wiki.srv.lan:8080/bin</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <text>" the login box</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> prompts...</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> I enter a valid login, but the box stays...</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> In the log it says:</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> failed to verify krb5 credentials: Server not found in Kerberos</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>> database</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> What is wrong? Can someone help me?! :(</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Greets,</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> ________________________________________________</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Kerberos mailing list</text>
>>                 <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= Kerberos at mit.edu">
>>                     <text>Kerberos at mit.edu</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <a target="_blank" href="https://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/kerberos">
>>                     <text>https://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/kerberos</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> ________________________________________________</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>> Kerberos mailing list</text>
>>                 <a href="/sites/mybox/forms/newmail.asp?sendto= Kerberos at mit.edu">
>>                     <text>Kerberos at mit.edu</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <a target="_blank" href="https://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/kerberos">
>>                     <text>https://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/kerberos</text>
>>                 </a>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>> --</text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>></text>
>>                 <br />
>>                 <text>>  Douglas E. Engert</text>
>>                 <deengert at anl.gov>
>>                     <br />
>>                     <text>>  Argonne National Laboratory</text>
>>                     <br />
>>                     <text>>  9700 South Cass Avenue</text>
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>  Douglas E. Engert  <DEEngert at anl.gov>
>  Argonne National Laboratory
>  9700 South Cass Avenue
>  Argonne, Illinois  60439
>  (630) 252-5444
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