From htreitman at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 13:29:12 2009 From: htreitman at gmail.com (Helaine Treitman) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:29:12 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] Portable Dance Floors Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who wrote me about their direct experiences with portable dance floors, or referred me to teachers and organizers who have great ones. For those of you who are sending me the url to a google search, thanks, but rest assured that I did my own online research before writing to the group. I was looking for the answer to "Which vendors do you recommend"? It turns out that the problem didn't even exist. I went to test the floor between the fountains of this beautiful outdoor mall. The textured ceramic tile has the perfect degree of slipperiness. The general manager was happy to be spared the expense and weekly hassle. Good tangos to all, Helaine -- http://www.NaplesTango.com & http://www.HelaineTreitmanTango.com 239-776-6535 239-236-0984 (fax) From sergiovandekier990 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 2 10:30:59 2009 From: sergiovandekier990 at hotmail.com (Sergio Vandekier) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:30:59 +0000 Subject: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko Message-ID: Dear friends, The World Tango Competition in Buenos Aires finished last week. The first place in "Salon Style" (social dancing) went to a Japanese couple, Hiroshi and Kyoko Yamao. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRrBU0ErKDg Notice that the tango style used in all the competitions is "tango tradicional" (Traditional Tango) as it has been taught all over the world by the great tango teachers such as Carlos Copes, Nito and Elba, Osvaldo Zotto, Puppy Costello, Mingo Pugliese, Diego Di Falco, Carlos Copello, Gavito, and many others. Tango Traditional and Estilo Villa Urquiza are the same. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKwlESEkTtY&NR=1 Best regards, Sergio PS. Do you think that there should be competitions in the other styles as well? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From ningle_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 2 11:22:00 2009 From: ningle_2000 at yahoo.com (NANCY) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 08:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Hiroshi & Kyoko Yamao - winners Message-ID: <988946.3163.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to Robin Thomas for pointing me to this delightful video of the two dancing in El Cuartito after their win at the Mundial this week. I think their feeling for the dance and the music is evident here as is their affection for one another. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8RCVD7wMOw Enjoy,Nancy From Franz.Zimmer at web.de Wed Sep 2 14:13:41 2009 From: Franz.Zimmer at web.de (Franz Zimmer) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:13:41 +0200 Subject: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko Message-ID: <798999896@web.de> There are no tango styles. And there is no world championship in tango - tango is no sport. This is a commerial tourism marketing show. ________________________________________________________________ Neu: WEB.DE Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate f?r nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From patangos at yahoo.com Wed Sep 2 14:34:47 2009 From: patangos at yahoo.com (Trini y Sean (PATangoS)) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <479325.62509.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Sergio Vandekier wrote: Thanks for the update, Sergio. And heartiest congratulations to Hiroshi and Kyoko. > PS. Do you think that there should be competitions in the > other styles as well? I don't think it's necessary. The competition is basically divided up into social (salon) tango and show tango. I think that's enough of a division that encourages creativity but still respects the roots and purpose of the dance. When the competition first started, I really didn't like the idea of it. But now, I see where it can help define what is and what is not Argentine tango as it evolves. That can be a good thing. Trini de Pittsburgh From clambat2001 at yahoo.com.ar Wed Sep 2 15:35:55 2009 From: clambat2001 at yahoo.com.ar (Alberto Gesualdi) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Copes on the World tango championship In-Reply-To: <798999896@web.de> References: <798999896@web.de> Message-ID: <753862.52868.qm@web46014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I will translate also a comment from Maestro Copes on this world tango 2009 event. I think it is not necessary to explain who is him. There is a paragraph that I remark in larger bold type. TO CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE TANGO SCHOOL ? It is from the utmost importance to do a Mundial de Tango in Buenos Aires.? Albeit also it is necessary to study and correct several mistakes that are made at organization and evaluation of the juries work, amending the mistakes , because this is new and there is no past story. ? It has been invented, for instance , an acrobatic style, when the tango has to be danced to the floor and with?feeling. ? One of the best things is the enthusiams of the audience. It is like the old tournaments: the one that bring more supporters with him, is the one that got more applause. The effort to creat this world event is huge and will bring as a consequence . maybe, that ther ewill be more study . We have to creat a comprehensive tango school, in order for the younger people to have a real knowledge?also know about the history of this dance, and know deeply what is what hey are dancing. ? Juan Carlos Copes - Dancer and coreographer Clarin newspaper -buenos aires Yahoo! Cocina Encontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina. http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ From clambat2001 at yahoo.com.ar Wed Sep 2 15:27:18 2009 From: clambat2001 at yahoo.com.ar (Alberto Gesualdi) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko In-Reply-To: <798999896@web.de> References: <798999896@web.de> Message-ID: <209883.900.qm@web46013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The local newspaper Clarin made a short interview to this japanese couple winner of 2009 edition , salon category. I will translate a comment " When we ask them wether the tango is better danced in Buenos Aires or in Tokyo, they admit that here (Bs As)"there is better atmosphere and more feeling", but also warn? that the japanese discipline is a lot more than the argentine one. " The japanese people learn very, really very, well". ? Hiroshi & Kyoko have an internet page? (www.hiroshikyoko.com) where they are seen dancing with lighthearted step some tango. And it is clear that they know much more about local milongas in buenos aires, than native people born in a porte?o neighbourhood. The milongas at ?Club Sunderland, Sin Rumbo (both in Villa Urquiza), La Baldosa (Flores) and Glorias Argentinas (Mataderos) are their preferred. They say that they avoid to go to downtown milongas, since , in their own words " they are full of foreign visitors". On the nieghbourhood milogas, Kyoko says that is by looking how the vetran couples dance, is where the real tango is. ? ? ? ________________________________ De: Franz Zimmer Para: tango-l at mit.edu Enviado: mi?rcoles 2 de septiembre de 2009, 15:13:41 Asunto: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko There are no tango styles. And there is no world championship in tango - tango is no sport. This is a commerial tourism marketing show. ________________________________________________________________ Neu: WEB.DE Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate f?r nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ _______________________________________________ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L at mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Yahoo! Cocina Encontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina. http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ From htreitman at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 13:53:59 2009 From: htreitman at gmail.com (Helaine Treitman) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:53:59 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] New SweeTango Apple! Yum!! Message-ID: For apple-loving tangueros, this is fun news. The University of Minnesota has developed a rival to their super-crisp-and-delicious Honeycrisp, and they're calling it SweeTango. If it really is better than Honeycrisps, I'm excited. Find both the Yahoo! News article and a nicely done video by the apple growers at this posting on my blog: http://tiny.cc/SweeTango Happy munching, Helaine -- http://www.NaplesTango.com & http://www.HelaineTreitmanTango.com 239-776-6535 239-236-0984 (fax) c/o Etudes de Ballet 3285 Pine Ridge Rd. Naples, FL 34109 From brick at fastpack.com Thu Sep 3 22:52:19 2009 From: brick at fastpack.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 23:52:19 -0300 Subject: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko Message-ID: > They say that they avoid to go to downtown milongas, since , in their own words " they are full of foreign visitors". On the nieghbourhood milogas, Kyoko says that is by looking how the vetran couples dance, is where the real tango is.< I find this statement amusing.... or something.....This "foreign" couple doesn't like dancing where the "foreigners" dance..... So to loosely quote Woody Allen "They'd never join a club that would allow people like them to become members?" WTF? Brick Robbins From dblioness2000 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 4 17:56:48 2009 From: dblioness2000 at yahoo.com (dierdre black) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7942.21143.qm@web35302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yep, more "tango snobs", eh? They're apparently, everywhere, like the "real tango". The context is everywhere in the city! It knows no special barrio/milonga, runs through the blood of the rioplatense people and cannot be denied, whether they know the steps or not: the secadas and pasos they use every day, just to move through the streets; the taxi driver singing "Volver", while driving me to a practica; the old, finely dressed couple that meets every Wed. afternoon, in Ideal, to enjoy one another's embrace, for a few magical hours; the babies hearing tango from inside the womb. It's all an organic, external expression of the internal, criollo culture and those who happen to appreciate/study it....wherever they happen to dance....Japan, Paris or Sunderland. (Not to mention the consistently revivifying role of "foreigners" in the history of tango...always better to "mix the bloodlines"(criollo), for more strength and vitality. Gotta love Woody Allen's piquant, perfect and true comment, though(although I think it was first coined by Groucho Marx)....sooo funny!! Reminds me of another funny writer...WS, with his pithy/poignant "What fools these mortals be!"(Midsummer's Night's Dream?) dblack --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Brick Robbins wrote: > From: Brick Robbins > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko > To: tango-l at mit.edu > Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 9:52 PM > > They say that they avoid to go > to downtown milongas, since , in their own words " they are > full of foreign visitors". On the nieghbourhood milogas, > Kyoko says that is by looking how the vetran couples dance, > is where the real tango is.< > > I find this statement amusing.... or something.....This > "foreign" > couple doesn't like dancing where the "foreigners" > dance..... > > So to loosely quote Woody Allen "They'd never join a club > that would > allow people like them to become members?"? WTF? > > Brick Robbins > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > From dblioness2000 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 4 18:14:08 2009 From: dblioness2000 at yahoo.com (dierdre black) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Fw: Re: World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko Message-ID: <278407.82123.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/4/09, dierdre black wrote: > From: dierdre black > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko > To: "dierdre black" > Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 5:13 PM > Dear TAngoL....thanks, for posting > this.....as I see it, I realize there needs to be another > parentheses, for clarity, after the word "vitality". I don't > suppose there's a way you can edit that, from your > end?? Thanks, db > > --- On Fri, 9/4/09, dierdre black > wrote: > > > From: dierdre black > > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi > and Kyoko > > To: "Tango L" , > "Tango List" > > Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:56 PM > > Yep, more "tango snobs", eh? They're > > apparently, everywhere, like the "real tango".? The > > context is everywhere in the city!? It knows no > special > > barrio/milonga, runs through the blood of the > rioplatense > > people and cannot be denied, whether they know the > steps or > > not:? the secadas and pasos they use every day, just > to > > move through the streets; the taxi driver singing > "Volver", > > while driving me to a practica; the old, finely > dressed > > couple that meets every Wed. afternoon, in Ideal, to > enjoy > > one another's embrace, for a few magical hours; the > babies > > hearing tango from inside the womb.? It's all an > > organic, external expression of the internal, criollo > > culture and those who happen to appreciate/study > > it....wherever they happen to dance....Japan, Paris > or > > Sunderland. (Not to mention the consistently > revivifying > > role of "foreigners" in the history of tango...always > better > > to "mix the bloodlines"(criollo), for more strength > and > > vitality.? Gotta love Woody > >? Allen's piquant, perfect and true comment, > though(although > > I think it was first coined by Groucho Marx)....sooo > funny!! > > Reminds me of another funny writer...WS, with his > > pithy/poignant "What fools these mortals > be!"(Midsummer's > > Night's Dream?) > > > > dblack > > > > --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Brick Robbins > > wrote: > > > > > From: Brick Robbins > > > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions > Hiroshi > > and Kyoko > > > To: tango-l at mit.edu > > > Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 9:52 PM > > > > They say that they avoid to go > > > to downtown milongas, since , in their own words > " > > they are > > > full of foreign visitors". On the nieghbourhood > > milogas, > > > Kyoko says that is by looking how the vetran > couples > > dance, > > > is where the real tango is.< > > > > > > I find this statement amusing.... or > > something.....This > > > "foreign" > > > couple doesn't like dancing where the > "foreigners" > > > dance..... > > > > > > So to loosely quote Woody Allen "They'd never > join a > > club > > > that would > > > allow people like them to become members?"? > WTF? > > > > > > Brick Robbins > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Tango-L mailing list > > > Tango-L at mit.edu > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > > > > > > > > > ? ? ? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tango-L mailing list > > Tango-L at mit.edu > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > > > > > > From zandunga at xs4all.nl Sun Sep 6 16:12:10 2009 From: zandunga at xs4all.nl (Marijke de Vries) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:12:10 +0200 Subject: [Tango-L] *Tangomagia XII pre-anouncement * In-Reply-To: <20090903111927.SQRR15272.viefep17-int.chello.at@edge04.upc.biz> Message-ID: Dear Tango friends, Zandunga Tangoproductions is proud to present the 12th Tangomagia festival in Amsterdam, December 2009. 26|27|28|29|30 December 2009 www.tangomagia.com Maestros of the festival: Sebastian Arce and Mariana Montes Mariano Chicho Frumboli and Juana Sepulveda Mariangeles Caama?o and Bruno Tombari Soledad Larretapia and Ricardo Biggeri Murat and Michelle Erdemsel Sebastian Coli Bazzini and Marijke de Vries Eric J?rissen and Komala Orchestras: Electrico Ardor Ojos de Tango DJ's: Christos Pater, Utku K?ley, Bachar Bitar Locations : Rabozaal (Melkweg/Stadsschouwburg), Hotel Arena, De Duif, Kompaszaal and Crea. Please check our website for the complete programme and online reservations: www.tangomagia.com Receipt of your payment before September 25 gives you a reduction of 10% on your total reservation, so make up your mind quickly ! See also our other package reductions. If you have any questions don't hesitate to send an e-mail to our office (Pilar): reservations at tangomagia.com Zandunga Tangoproductions Marijke de Vries Office: Pilar Gonz?lez www.tangomagia.com tel: + 31 (0)20 776 53 08 (only mon/tue/wed/thu 18:00-22:00) or skype Pilar: pilar.gonzalez2009 From don at aymta.org Mon Sep 7 15:35:40 2009 From: don at aymta.org (Don Klein) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:35:40 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] =?iso-8859-1?q?=BFDNI_Edmail_Addreses=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AA5608C.9050905@aymta.org> Does anyone have Dana's or Johanna's email address. The computer on which I have (had) them is down and the email function on the DNI website doesn't functions (does not substantiate). My gracias, Don From TangoVenus at aol.com Tue Sep 8 02:04:20 2009 From: TangoVenus at aol.com (TangoVenus@aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 02:04:20 EDT Subject: [Tango-L] Trying to reach Shahrukh Merchant Message-ID: I'm trying to reach Shahrukh don't know if either address is still correct. Can you help? Thanks a lot, Saludos, Maritza Bodine Former editor, "La Voz del Tango" _TangoVenus at aol.com_ (mailto:TangoVenus at aol.com) (mailto:merchant at world.std.com) From tango at iamp.de Tue Sep 8 06:16:20 2009 From: tango at iamp.de (Andreas Jeck) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:16:20 +0200 Subject: [Tango-L] Trying to reach Shahrukh Merchant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: His last posting in Aug. 09 said Shahrukh Merchant Regards, Andreas From professionalsguild at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 21:11:40 2009 From: professionalsguild at gmail.com (Phil Seyer) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 18:11:40 -0700 Subject: [Tango-L] Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant Message-ID: I'm planning to invite a lot of singles (eligible bachors and maidens), who know nothing about how to dance tango, to a milonga with a lesson from 7pm to 8pm and tango dancing afterwards. I'll be inviting the S.F. Bay Area tango community to join as well via various local tango calendars. The venue is an Italian restaurant with a small space available for dancing and as well as a bar and a few tables for dining.. I expect about 15 tango newbies to show up for the lesson. I was told that tango dancers won't come back if there are a lot of beginners. On the flip side, I was also told that experienced tango dancers might support the venue since they would like a place to dance tango locally. Any tips on hosting the milonga? Things to watch out for? Phil http://www.Argentine-tango.com From trystan.s at comcast.net Tue Sep 8 20:31:54 2009 From: trystan.s at comcast.net (Trystan Spangler) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:31:54 -0700 Subject: [Tango-L] How do you create a connection? Message-ID: What ways do you know of improving the connection when dancing with someone? As a leader, I've noticed that changing the size and duration of my steps forces us to really listen to each other. Also changing the amount of waiting between individual steps can relax a beginning follower. After a song with some 5 second steps and clear wait between a pivot and a step, a woman who was learning ochos excitedly said "oh I get it, I have to wait and listen!" That was a good day. In another lesson before a milonga, a woman I was practicing with took a big breath right as the music swelled and we did a side step. Wow. Did you know some followers can lead a step just by when they exhale? So what tricks have you discovered to create connection? Trystan from Sacramento From patangos at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 11:24:59 2009 From: patangos at yahoo.com (Trini y Sean (PATangoS)) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] How do you create a connection? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <386268.86862.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Trystan Spangler wrote: > In another lesson before a milonga, a woman I was > practicing with took?a big breath right as the music swelled and we did a side step. Wow.? Did you know some followers can lead a step just by when > they exhale? > > So what tricks have you discovered to create connection? Funny, usually inhaling has the opposite effect of suspending the movements. I assume you were in close-embrace. It's a trick you can use, too. When the man inhales and makes himself taller, it has the same effect on the woman, essentially stretching out the knee of her standing leg so that she can't step far. When the man exhales, her knee softens and she can step. The same thing can occur when the roles are reversed. I suggest revisiting your memory and break it down to smaller parts if you want to understand what happened. As for your original query, creating suspended movements or small movements are a great way to get her attention. Another is to dance to the sycopas and other musical accents (freezes, etc.). Not necessarily her dancing the syncopas, but your dancing the syncopas while she's just hitting the strong beats or even waiting forces her to listen to your feet. It makes me smile when I feel leaders doing that. Simply dancing to the strong beats or the QQS rhythms merely gets one into automode. Trini de Pittsburgh From patangos at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 11:44:58 2009 From: patangos at yahoo.com (Trini y Sean (PATangoS)) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <805930.4563.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Phil Seyer wrote: > I was told that tango dancers > won't come back if there are a lot > of beginners. Are you referring to the lesson or the milonga afterwards? Although experienced dancers for a beginner's lesson are nice to have, they are not a requirement. Newbies tend not to stay long after a lesson (usually an hour at most), so the experienced dancers shouldn't have any issues. Just make sure you have good music and a fun environment for the milonga. And watch that experienced dancers don't teach the newbies after the lesson. There's some leeway, but a milonga is a milonga and a lesson is a lesson. Truth be told, if you have young female beginners coming to the milonga, you'll have the experienced guys coming, too. If the experienced guys are going, you'll have the experienced women coming, as well. Trini de Pittsburgh From brick at fastpack.com Thu Sep 10 03:57:21 2009 From: brick at fastpack.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:57:21 -0300 Subject: [Tango-L] World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Brick Robbins wrote: >> They say that they avoid to go to downtown milongas, since , in their own words " they are full of foreign visitors". On the nieghbourhood milogas, Kyoko says that is by looking how the vetran couples dance, is where the real tango is.< I had the pleasure of sharing the floor tonight at TangoLab with "World Tango Champions Hiroshi and Kyoko." Any snide comments I may have made quoting Woody Allen, or Groucho Marx or whomever, were based upon the quote above, and not upon the observed reality, so I withdraw my comment. I'd guess that the quote above was manufactured for the article. Of course TangoLab is in Palermo, not downtown, so that part was correct at least. I would like to thank list members Cheri, Deby and Dierdre, for helping introduce me to tango here. And FWIW, the Buenos Aires I've found in my 3 weeks here so far, bears little resemblance to the BsAs that I read about on this list, but that, as they say, is another story.... From jackdylan007 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 04:40:40 2009 From: jackdylan007 at yahoo.com (Jack Dylan) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] How do you create a connection? In-Reply-To: <386268.86862.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <386268.86862.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <674586.91096.qm@web59912.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) > > Funny, usually inhaling has the opposite effect of suspending the movements ...? > ... When the man exhales, her knee softens and she can step.? > This is a good subject for a thread, but that's exactly what I was thinking. 'Inhale to suspend a movement and exhale to lead the step' Inhaling deeply to lead a side step would kinda send a mixed message? Jack From jackdylan007 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 04:46:02 2009 From: jackdylan007 at yahoo.com (Jack Dylan) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant In-Reply-To: <805930.4563.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <805930.4563.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <399723.45992.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patangos at yahoo.com > And watch that experienced dancers > don't teach the newbies after the lesson.? > > ? Trini, If you have any way of stopping this, please, please tell me :-) Jack From dubravko_2005 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 05:18:07 2009 From: dubravko_2005 at yahoo.com (Dubravko Kakarigi) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] How do you create a connection? In-Reply-To: <674586.91096.qm@web59912.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <386268.86862.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <674586.91096.qm@web59912.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <185488.31029.qm@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This may sound a bit esoteric, but a deeply rooted and focused intent coupled with moving from the core gets transmitted to and organically understood by your partner who is sensitive and tuned in and vice versa. Tango does not allow fallacy and short cuts. Looking for all and only mechanistic aids for connecting in tango misses the point of tango. Physical connection is secondary to the mental/spiritual one. =================================== seek, appreciate, and create beauty this life is not a rehearsal =================================== ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jack Dylan > To: Tango-L > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:40:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How do you create a connection? > > > From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) > > > > Funny, usually inhaling has the opposite effect of suspending the movements > ... > > ... When the man exhales, her knee softens and she can step. > > > > This is a good subject for a thread, but that's exactly what I was thinking. > 'Inhale to suspend a movement and exhale to lead the step' > > Inhaling deeply to lead a side step would kinda send a mixed message? > > Jack > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l From romerob at telusplanet.net Thu Sep 10 11:17:56 2009 From: romerob at telusplanet.net (romerob@telusplanet.net) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:17:56 -0700 Subject: [Tango-L] How do you create a connection? Message-ID: <1252595876.4aa918a4b3e8e@legacywebmail.telus.net> >Inhaling deeply to lead a side step would kinda send a mixed message? < One application of the side step in tango: A side step allows for a release of tension between couples, and being more "grounded to the floor". When the couples are too straight with locked knees tension builts up, and we loose our balance, then the tendency is to use our arms to correct or support each other. Being more grounded to the floor makes the tango dance look popular and less stiff. From jackdylan007 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 14:10:13 2009 From: jackdylan007 at yahoo.com (Jack Dylan) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] How do you create a connection? In-Reply-To: <185488.31029.qm@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <386268.86862.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <674586.91096.qm@web59912.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <185488.31029.qm@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <652742.17921.qm@web59902.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > From: Dubravko Kakarigi > > a deeply rooted and focused intent coupled > with moving from the core gets transmitted to and organically understood by your > partner who is sensitive and tuned in and vice versa. > Dubravko, you're right, of course, but some of us just can't help thinking about? these things, at least while sitting at a computer. But I did check my breathing during tonight's milonga and, I must admit, I hardly even noticed my breathing. No deep inhaling or exhaling at any time :-) I mentioned it to my partner and she did say some men breathe heavily while dancing with her and she finds it very disconcerting. So I take back my previous message. Just breathe naturally. Jack From patangos at yahoo.com Thu Sep 10 15:36:51 2009 From: patangos at yahoo.com (Trini y Sean (PATangoS)) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant In-Reply-To: <399723.45992.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <160136.46720.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I go up to the couple put my arms around both and say: Hey folks, No teaching on the dance floor, just have fun. This puts both people on notice. The newbie is informed (usually it's a newbie and an experienced dancer) and the experienced dancer never does it again. Usually, the newbie replies, "Sorry, I didn't know about the tango etiquette", which sometimes saves face for the experienced dancer. It works. My milonga. My rules. Trini --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Jack Dylan wrote: > From: Jack Dylan > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant > To: tango-l at mit.edu > Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:46 AM > > > > > > From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patangos at yahoo.com > > > And watch that experienced dancers > > don't teach the newbies after the lesson.? > > > > ? > Trini, If you have any way of stopping this, please, please > tell me :-) > > Jack > > > ? ? ? > > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > From vytis at hotmail.com Thu Sep 10 18:01:20 2009 From: vytis at hotmail.com (Vince Bagusauskas) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:01:20 +1000 Subject: [Tango-L] Subject: Re: Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant Message-ID: >It works. My milonga. My rules. >Trini >From my experience, it is THE rule at all milongas I go to and the organisers react similarly to Trini. Funny how people more experienced than I seem to continually forget this. Wonder why? V From mnussbau at law.nyc.gov Fri Sep 11 13:02:19 2009 From: mnussbau at law.nyc.gov (Nussbaum, Martin) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:02:19 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] Jack Dylan, Breating, connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't take it back, Jack! You partner is not a statistically valid sample. Most sensitive followers will synchronize breathing with you during pauses, suspension and release, and its wonderful. Of course, I am assuming you do not breathe as loud as a horse. But she cant help but sense your lungs filling with air, your chest expanding and contracting. Oh, one more thing that goes along with this - before stepping left, prime the engine by giving a tiny intention to the right, and then down into the left step. Same with a step forward from a pause, give a slight back intention, then release down and into the forward step. Try it. From tobias_conradi at yahoo.de Thu Sep 17 05:48:11 2009 From: tobias_conradi at yahoo.de (Mr tobias conradi) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:48:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tango-L] festivals.tango.info new festivals added Message-ID: <157456.79036.qm@web23804.mail.ird.yahoo.com> 2008 http://festivals.tango.info/2008ITQCSA 2009 http://festivals.tango.info/2009CATORC http://festivals.tango.info/2009DEETTA http://festivals.tango.info/2009ESBCNM http://festivals.tango.info/2009ITATXW http://festivals.tango.info/2009ITMANA http://festivals.tango.info/2009ITQCSA http://festivals.tango.info/2009SEMMAC http://festivals.tango.info/2009SESTON http://festivals.tango.info/2009TWTPEA http://festivals.tango.info/2009UALWOA http://festivals.tango.info/2009US1BRA http://festivals..tango.info/2009USBOSM http://festivals.tango.info/2009USWASS 2010 http://festivals.tango.info/2010AUDGEV http://festivals.tango.info/2010DEBERA http://festivals.tango.info/2010GBEDIA http://festivals.tango.info/2010ITCEZR http://festivals.tango.info/2010ITTRNA http://festivals.tango.info/2010USCHIW -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin, Germany http://eng.tango.info http://festivals.tango.info http://reliquias.tango.info http://gmap.tango.info http://info.tango.info From grus.canadensis at yahoo.com Sat Sep 12 14:15:33 2009 From: grus.canadensis at yahoo.com (Sandhill Crane) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant Message-ID: <743888.60473.qm@web113107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote: > I go up to the couple put my arms around both and say: > Hey folks, No teaching on the dance floor, just have fun. Hmm, that's intriguing. Seems like a good idea, although I've never seen organizers do that. I guess they're just shy. Here's a related situation, which I've witnessed countless times. Somebody who is "good" is doing the speedboat or washing machine tango on a crowded floor. Even if they don't crash into anybody, they spoil the mood. What should the organizer do? What should I do? Is it even a problem? Maybe that's just their personal expression, which I have to accept. Are there any lurking speedboats who would like to speak up? From amaurycdsf at yahoo.com Sun Sep 13 14:06:16 2009 From: amaurycdsf at yahoo.com (Amaury de Siqueira) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] La Grande Milonga - Lafayette Message-ID: <796557.36207.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com> To ALL participants in the ?La Grande Milonga ? Lafeyette? Our very first Milonga bringing together four great tango communities in the mid-west was a great success. Urbana, Lafayette, Bloomington and Cincinnati converged in a beautiful dance hall in Purdue for an evening of great dance and social moments. The folks in Purdue created a wonderful atmosphere ? the food and drink table was wonderful and the dancing hall was beautiful. Joe Grohens from Urbana started the evening with a great set of tandas and the evening just kept getting better. The dancers from CIncinatti were a pleasure to meet Michael, Nuria, Julie, Chuck and Debbie you guys are great! Dancing with everyone ? a true class act! The Lafayette group was a joy to meet very attentive hosts from the door people to the ones in charge of the clean up. We hope we can extend the same care during our November Workshop with Fernanda and Guillermo. The Urbana dancers never stopped dancing. You guya are very fun to be with. I am looking forward to my next Milonga in Urbana! Claire you are very very fun. Finally I would like to say thank you to my friends in Bloomington. I feel very fortunate to have met people like you. I am proud to share the dance floor with all of you!! Abrazos, Amaury "I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." From politas at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 19:24:50 2009 From: politas at gmail.com (Myk Dowling) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:24:50 +1000 Subject: [Tango-L] Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant In-Reply-To: <743888.60473.qm@web113107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <743888.60473.qm@web113107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1253316290.14163.21.camel@wedge> On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 11:15 -0700, Sandhill Crane wrote: > Here's a related situation, which I've witnessed countless > times. Somebody who is "good" is doing the speedboat or > washing machine tango on a crowded floor. Even if they don't > crash into anybody, they spoil the mood. What should the > organizer do? What should I do? Is it even a problem? Maybe > that's just their personal expression, which I have to accept. > > Are there any lurking speedboats who would like to speak up? Well, it might be best if you defined your terms, rather than leaving us all to guess what you mean by "speedboat" and "washing machine". I mean, I _think_ I can guess what you mean, but I can't be certain. Myk, in Canberra From damian.thompson at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 19:29:31 2009 From: damian.thompson at gmail.com (Noughts) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:29:31 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant In-Reply-To: <1253316290.14163.21.camel@wedge> References: <743888.60473.qm@web113107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1253316290.14163.21.camel@wedge> Message-ID: If they don't hit anyone, then they cause less issues than those that block traffic.. and that happens a lot. 2009/9/18 Myk Dowling > > On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 11:15 -0700, Sandhill Crane wrote: > > > Here's a related situation, which I've witnessed countless > > times. Somebody who is "good" is doing the speedboat or > > washing machine tango on a crowded floor. Even if they don't > > crash into anybody, they spoil the mood. What should the > > organizer do? What should I do? Is it even a problem? Maybe > > that's just their personal expression, which I have to accept. > > > > Are there any lurking speedboats who would like to speak up? > From politas at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 21:01:36 2009 From: politas at gmail.com (Myk Dowling) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:01:36 +1000 Subject: [Tango-L] Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant In-Reply-To: References: <743888.60473.qm@web113107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1253316290.14163.21.camel@wedge> Message-ID: <1253322096.14163.130.camel@wedge> On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 19:29 -0400, Noughts wrote: > If they don't hit anyone, then they cause less issues than those that > block traffic.. and that happens a lot. > Who? What? You didn't say which group you were referring to. I guess you're talking about "speedboats", which I guess is referring to leaders who zoom around the floor, switching lanes, diving into any open gap, and generally making everyone else nervous because you're never sure when a space that you knew was there a second ago will still be there for you to pivot and step into. I'm generally far less bothered by someone slowing down in front of me than I am by someone overtaking me along what I thought was the edge of the dance floor, or suddenly jumping into a small gap in front of me, especially if I've just turned to face contrary to the line of dance and am about to wheel back into that gap that I know is there. If everyone maintains position, dawdlers shouldn't be an issue. It's not like it's hard to dance in place for a bit when blocked, or stretch out when there's a gap in front. Myk, in Canberra From grus.canadensis at yahoo.com Sun Sep 20 15:36:33 2009 From: grus.canadensis at yahoo.com (Sandhill Crane) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Tango on a tile floor in Italian Restaurant In-Reply-To: <1253316290.14163.21.camel@wedge> Message-ID: <668265.1412.qm@web113116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Myk Dowling wrote: > Well, it might be best if you defined your terms, rather > than leaving us all to guess what you mean by "speedboat" > and "washing machine". I mean, I _think_ I can guess what > you mean, but I can't be certain. Well, it's probably just what you suspect. Speedboat = careening around the floor much faster than everyone else, swerving left and right and leaving others annoyed in your wake. Navigation? I'm GOOD, I didn't bump into anybody! Washing machine = stay in the line of dance, but take more room than anyone else, and use it to spin this way, that way, this way again, that way again ... Bonus points for rocketing back and forth between the guy in front of you and the guy behind you. Hey, they're not using that space! I'm GOOD, I can use it if I want! I think I actually prefer the speedboats. At least they zip through and you don't see them again. Well, not for a few minutes anyway. But getting stuck behind a washing machine is like being behind a big truck in rush hour traffic ... hard to get away. It's curious that despite their endless whirling, they don't actually advance in the line of dance. I find, to my annoyance, that even though I'm just walking forward very sedately, I'm often overtaking the washing machine in front of me. A little anecdote. Once there was a couple speedboating around and I happened to overhear a by-stander say to her friend, "Oh, how lovely. They create their own space." I should have interrupted to say, "They took that space from everyone else, who are not happy about it." But instead I just bit my tongue. From mnussbau at law.nyc.gov Wed Sep 23 14:02:27 2009 From: mnussbau at law.nyc.gov (Nussbaum, Martin) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:02:27 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] Milonga/Practica Review: A great night in Tango Message-ID: Milonga/Practica Review: Tuesday night at Cochabamba Milonga/Practica with Gustavo Naveira was an incredible night, and possibly a game-changing event, for tango in NYC. Due to the high number of excellent dancers in the room, the energy and vibe were electrified. There was a feeling of exploration and collaboration, not only from Gustavo moving from couple to couple assisting with various topics, but there was a large number of teachers in attendance, who were interested to see how the "teachers' teacher" interacts with the students. It was amazing and instructive to watch some of my favorite local teachers, such as Oliver Kolker y Silvina Valz, Andres Amarillo y Meredith Klein, developing and trading ideas with the Maestro. It is rare that you get to watch the creative process of such talented artists at work, real time. Hopefully, If the goals stated by Gustavo for Cochabamba are met, and Gustavo y Giselle, along with Federico and Ariadna Naveira, as well as other invited artists, establish a continuing influence here, NYC- already a major tango city - could become even more important as a magnet for the continued exploration, evolution, and widespread popularity of the tango. This will benefit everyone in the local community, dancers, teachers, and commercial organizers alike. Full Disclosure: The undersigned has no financial interest in, or connection to, either Cochabamba Productions, Travis Neel, any member of the Naveira family, or Manhattan Ballroom. But I do consider it a high privilege to state that I am a student of Gustavo's. -Martin Nussbaum From melroyr at xtra.co.nz Thu Sep 24 02:28:01 2009 From: melroyr at xtra.co.nz (Mel Roddie) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Milongas in Manhattan? Message-ID: <457097.49128.qm@web96104.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Hi, I have a friend in New York at present (from BsAs actually!) asking me if I can suggest any milongas in Manhattan. Can the list give me a few suggestions that I can pass on? Thanks, Mel (NZ). From melroyr at xtra.co.nz Fri Sep 25 03:41:28 2009 From: melroyr at xtra.co.nz (Mel Roddie) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Thanks to all from Mel .............. Message-ID: <822723.29641.qm@web96112.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Thanks to all for suggestions on dancing in NY. www.newyorktango.com seems to be the answer. Bye, Mel (NZ) From amaurycdsf at yahoo.com Fri Sep 25 20:46:12 2009 From: amaurycdsf at yahoo.com (Amaury de Siqueira) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Harmony and Balance In-Reply-To: <457097.49128.qm@web96104.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <903984.55750.qm@web62007.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Bloomington Argentine Tango Organization in conjunction with Minetti Productions, cordially invites you to attend our workshop: Harmony and Balance - A Weekend of Traditional Argentine Tango with Fernanda Ghi and Guillermo Merlo, accompanied by the live tango ensemble Tangamente. November 13 - 15 Dancers attending this workshop will work on material emphasizing the harmony between dancers and the music while attending to the necessary 'balance' of roles between leaders and followers. Harmony & Balance focuses on honing dancers' skills in three essential domains of social Argentine tango dance: Musicality, Navigation, and Technique. The combination of these three separate skills when properly executed improve dancers' floor craft allowing for a smooth movement in the line of dance and an enjoyable dance experience for both leaders and followers. The workshop's program is : Principles of Navigation I & II, Technique for Salon Tango, Musicality & Musicality Redux as well as 2 practice sessions. Detailed description of all classes may be found online at our website. In addition we are also excited to offer an evening Gala Milonga that will consist of a performance by Fernanda and Guillermo, with musical accompaniment by Tangamente. This Gala Milonga open to the public at $15 for students, $25 for non-students, and $40 for couples. Pricing of packages are: -Beginner package $100 -Intermediate & Advance package $160 -Complete Package (Beginner and Advance classes) $190 **Please note packages do not include attendance to the Gala Milonga. Additionally, a special yoga for Tango Dancers class will be offered, by an accredited instructor, to help keep you in top shape for this great weekend (pricing for the Yoga classes is yet to be determined). Fernanda & Guillermo will also be available for private lessons as well. Scheduling for private lessons will be made available soon online. The location will be: "Space 101" (101 East 6th Street) Bloomington, IN. Learn more and register with us at our website - http://www.bloomingtontango.net/ ATTENTION: Check our website to find out when the 90 spaces available for the workshop have been filled. - Gender Balance Control will be implemented when needed. Please register online to guarantee your place. Abrazos, Bloomington Argentine Tango Organization From sopelote at yahoo.com Thu Sep 24 13:26:42 2009 From: sopelote at yahoo.com (Mario) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Milonga/Practica Review: A great night in Tango Message-ID: <227165.82680.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "?It was amazing and instructive to watch some of my favorite local teachers, ?developing and trading ideas with the Maestro.?" ? ?What sort of 'ideas' were they developing? ?Were they developing ideas on how better to 'teach'? ?Was there any music playing while the developed these 'ideas' ? or was that unnecessary?? thks From jfc47 at aol.com Sat Sep 26 16:38:47 2009 From: jfc47 at aol.com (jfc47@aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:38:47 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] Tango-L Digest, Vol 42, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC0D007B4A0DC6-5734-F572@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com> Please unsubscribe this address from your list. This user has passed away. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: tango-l-request at mit.edu To: tango-l at mit.edu Sent: Sat, Sep 26, 2009 9:11 am Subject: Tango-L Digest, Vol 42, Issue 17 Send Tango-L mailing list submissions to tango-l at mit.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tango-l-request at mit.edu You can reach the person managing the list at tango-l-owner at mit.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tango-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Harmony and Balance (Amaury de Siqueira) 2. Milonga/Practica Review: A great night in Tango (Mario) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Amaury de Siqueira Subject: [Tango-L] Harmony and Balance To: Tango-L at mit.edu Message-ID: <903984.55750.qm at web62007.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bloomington Argentine Tango Organization in conjunction with Minetti Productions, cordially invites you to attend our workshop: Harmony and Balance - A Weekend of Traditional Argentine Tango with Fernanda Ghi and Guillermo Merlo, accompanied by the live tango ensemble Tangamente. November 13 - 15 Dancers attending this workshop will work on material emphasizing the harmony between dancers and the music while attending to the necessary 'balance' of roles between leaders and followers. Harmony & Balance focuses on honing dancers' skills in three essential domains of social Argentine tango dance: Musicality, Navigation, and Technique. The combination of these three separate skills when properly executed improve dancers' floor craft allowing for a smooth movement in the line of dance and an enjoyable dance experience for both leaders and followers. The workshop's program is : Principles of Navigation I & II, Technique for Salon Tango, Musicality & Musicality Redux as well as 2 practice sessions. Detailed description of all classes may be found online at our website. In addition we are also excited to offer an evening Gala Milonga that will consist of a performance by Fernanda and Guillermo, with musical accompaniment by Tangamente. This Gala Milonga open to the public at $15 for students, $25 for non-students, and $40 for couples. Pricing of packages are: -Beginner package $100 -Intermediate & Advance package $160 -Complete Package (Beginner and Advance classes) $190 **Please note packages do not include attendance to the Gala Milonga. Additionally, a special yoga for Tango Dancers class will be offered, by an accredited instructor, to help keep you in top shape for this great weekend (pricing for the Yoga classes is yet to be determined). Fernanda & Guillermo will also be available for private lessons as well. Scheduling for private lessons will be made available soon online. The location will be: "Space 101" (101 East 6th Street) Bloomington, IN. Learn more and register with us at our website - http://www.bloomingtontango.net/ ATTENTION: Check our website to find out when the 90 spaces available for the workshop have been filled. - Gender Balance Control will be implemented when needed. Please register online to guarantee your place. Abrazos, Bloomington Argentine Tango Organization ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Subject: [Tango-L] Milonga/Practica Review: A great night in Tango To: tango-l at mit.edu Message-ID: <227165.82680.qm at web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 "?It was amazing and instructive to watch some of my favorite local teachers, ?developing and trading ideas with the Maestro.?" ? ?What sort of 'ideas' were they developing? ?Were they developing ideas on how better to 'teach'? ?Was there any music playing while the developed these 'ideas' ? or was that unnecessary?? thks ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L at mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l End of Tango-L Digest, Vol 42, Issue 17 *************************************** From randycook95476 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 26 21:33:17 2009 From: randycook95476 at yahoo.com (randy cook) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Tango in Toulouse--Part 1 Message-ID: <348635.78070.qm@web62505.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Tango in Toulouse--Part 1 July 1, 2009 5:00 PM We register for Tangopostale, the Argentine tango festival that will be opening shortly with a milonga on the banks of the river Garonne. The festival reception is at Cercle Duranti, which turns out to be a ten minute walk from our hotel. The milonga by the Garonne is another ten minute walk--it would have been even less if the streets weren't so twisty. And later in the evening, we walk to a tango concert at St. Pierre des Cuisines, an ancient church converted into a very modern performance space. In urban planning circles, Toulouse is what is called "pedestrian friendly." Tangopostale is unlike any other tango festival I've been to. It is not confined to some five-star hotel, as these festivals often are. It is spread all over the old part of the city, with dances, performances, classes, lectures, and movies in cultural centers, parks, bandstands, squares, and streets. It is not organized by a small group of people, but is a cooperative effort on the part of the Ville de Toulouse and the twenty local tango associations, which claim a collective membership of nearly a thousand. Finally, Tangopostale is not so much an effort to attract international visitors (such as Janet, Robert, and me--we are the exception, it turns out), but to promote tango in Toulouse, and to showcase local tango teachers and their students. That said, Tangopostale has arranged for two Argentine tango orchestras of considerable renown to perform evening concert-dances at a rock club south of town, with local tango groups as warm up bands. I find this very interesting. There are no famous Argentine dance teachers on the guest list, yet here is Orquesta Tipica Color Tango and Sexteto Stazo Mayor. Why have the festival organizers invested a large part of what must be a limited budget on musicians, but not on dancers? Clearly, they must value tango-as-music at least as much as tango-as-dance. In that, they are like the Argentines themselves, who listen to it all the time--not just when they go out to dance at a milonga. The name of the festival is a word play on "Aeropostale," the first transatlantic airmail system, which linked Toulouse with the city of Buenos Aires some eighty years ago. Carlos Gardel, the most famous of all tango singers, was born in Toulouse in 1895, and was brought to Buenos Aires three years later by his mother. They were fairly typical of the immigration trends of the late 19th century. The French were among the largest immigrant groups to Argentina during the period when tango was born. One would presume that--along with the Italians, the Spanish, and the native gauchos and Afro-Argentines--they had a role in tango's formation. One of the festival lecturers even associates Gardel, in a general way, with the troubadour tradition of southern France, which goes back to the Middle Ages. Toulouse has a long musical and cultural link to tango. But Tangopostale isn't the only arts festival in Toulouse this summer. There are music and art festivals scheduled for every week from May through September. Part of the reason for this rush to culture seems to be intercity rivalry. The European Union sponsors a competition for the title of "European Capital of Culture," and France's turn is coming up. The four contenders? Toulouse, Bordeaux, Lyon, and Marseille (Paris was honored in years past). As my guidebook says, "When was the last time four American cities battled it out for whose museums truly kick butt?" Or whose milongas? More to come... From randycook95476 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 27 23:20:10 2009 From: randycook95476 at yahoo.com (randy cook) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Tango in Toulouse, A Travelogue--Part 2 Message-ID: <574821.29599.qm@web62506.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Tango in Toulouse--Part 2 St. Pierre des Cuisines July 1, 2009 8:30 PM There is an ancient church on the Place St. Pierre by the river Garonne, surrounded by? bars and cafes up and down the quai, the riverfront, which is crowded with students.? This is a city with three universities.???Summer is here.? The night is hot.? Drums and guitars, drinks and drama. But tonight, for Robert and I, it is the church, the eglise we want-- though it isn't a church anymore in fact, but a performance space, one of those conversions the French do so well.? Parishioners of art rather than of religion, we pass through the portal and enter.? The hardwood floor is new.? So is the track lighting.? But the cool stone walls remind us of the centuries of Christianity that were here before us, and whose presence we can still feel, subtly sombering our mood.? St. Pierre des Cuisines isn't only Christian, however.? It was a Roman temple first, when this part of? Gaul was called Occitania.? We see the foundations of that Roman temple displayed under a covering of protective glass on a portion of the floor.? So the present walks within the walls of the past, with an even more ancient past underfoot. Tango.? A quintet called Hora Cero.? Three Frenchmen, a Swiss, and an Argentine.? The French pianist is a slender, nimble man with white hair and a white suit.? His take on tango is inspired by Piazzola, with plenty of jazz, and touches of? French musette.? The Swiss violinist is lyric, his inspiration classical.? The contra-bass is strong when he needs to be, a foundation to the quintet, like that Roman temple below the floor.? The guitarists displays touches of the Spanish masters.? Ah, but the bandoneonist!? He is Argentine, of course, a handsome man with an Italian name.? Until he draws the breath of his instrument and squeezes intelligible phrases from its bellows, the group could be another jazz-classical fusion.? The bandoneonist tells us that tango was born where the pampa meets the Plata, not in some French nightclub. Hora Cero has drawn a good crowd.? We sit on banks of bleachers like a basketball game, or better said, like some "Little Theater" way off Broadway, except that we have that soaring ecclesiastical ceiling above us.? The quintet strikes the right notes with its audience, and consents to come back for several encores, including a real tango from the traditional repertoire--just to show us they can do it if they want to.? They can do it, and I want them to! For the first time in the evening, they make me want to dance.? But it is late, and now the concert is over. Back outside on the Place St. Pierre, we breathe the hot night air.? Drums and guitars, drinks and drama.? The bars and brassieres are as crowded as ever.? Robert and I stroll the quai, watching the people, enjoying the lights reflected on the river Garonne--and the breeze. We find the Place de la Daurade, where the excursion boats dock, and see the platform where the opening milonga of Tangopostale was danced in the afternoon.? It is empty now, except for moon shadows.? Young men with bottles are coming down the steps from the street.? They don't look quite so friendly as the others we've seen along the quai.? Time to head back to our hotel and see if Janet has come back from her own tango excursions. More to come... ??? From tobias_conradi at yahoo.de Wed Sep 30 08:58:25 2009 From: tobias_conradi at yahoo.de (Mr tobias conradi) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] UNESCO - Tango as World's Heritage Message-ID: <2444.66544.qm@web23804.mail.ird.yahoo.com> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hy8EQ1hEp3BVG-vnlwrClzXfpA7A -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin, Germany http://eng.tango.info http://festivals.tango.info http://reliquias.tango.info http://berlin.tango.info http://info.tango.info __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com From info at milongas-in.com Wed Sep 30 19:11:05 2009 From: info at milongas-in.com (Milongas-in.com) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 02:11:05 +0300 Subject: [Tango-L] Tango as World's Heritage by U.N. - UNESCO In-Reply-To: <2444.66544.qm@web23804.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <2444.66544.qm@web23804.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004c01ca4223$4b30d320$e1927960$@com> Hello All, What do you think about the UNESCO declaration for tango (world's heritage). I can understand it for a monument (for example Acropolis in Athens) but for a dance, that is actually a social matter is not so clear. What can be done by UNESCO or maybe the government to preserve tango? As you know there is today a very big discussion about the nuevo movement. Here in our list so many years now, we have read so many about it. It is normal evolution? It is not tango? How it can be preserved? What do you think about it in relation with the UNESCO declaration? Nikos ------- Nikos Dalamagkas Heraklion, Crete, Greece http://milongas-in.com milongas in any city worldwide From sopelote at yahoo.com Sat Sep 26 21:30:59 2009 From: sopelote at yahoo.com (Mario) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Nuevo Milonguero Message-ID: <447802.3662.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am posting what amounts to pure treason. The Milonguero's last hope is alas...no more! Here, two godesses of the Milonguero cult, introduce a new wrinkle to the dance; one that I, myself and many others, were hoping to never see...Alas, fair Prince...we are no more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNcVDHdxCbY ..in all seriousness I really admire both women as great dancers of the tango style that I aspire to and I will attend their Academia when I finally get to BsAs...but you know what? People are going to see performances like this and think that it's cool and actually do it and develope it further...ugh. Such 'nuevo' nonsense is perfect for cultures outside of BsAs that have an entirely different 'interest' in the dance. So called Argentine Tango is morphing at light speed...Hamburg, Holland, Italy, Turkey, Russia..wow, what will emerge from these centers? I am both amazed, interested and alarmed..alarmed por mi querrido abrazo del tango Argentine http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=tango+milonguero&search_sort=video_view_count