From damian.thompson at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 00:44:09 2009 From: damian.thompson at gmail.com (Noughts) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:44:09 +1100 Subject: [Tango-L] shocking In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6742FE61DCC7-F4C-1E10@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: How gracious of you all to be so accepting of others and their personal habits... Who has the right to tell you to change shirts? Why should we wash 30 shirts a week as opposed to 5? I used to, but then realised that it wasn't really doing any good anyway. The ladies I danced with were not protected by a new dry shirt that was within 3 mins a wet drenched one... And I still had another 3 songs to go... I usually wear a jacket, even when it's hot, but not always... People dance with me cause they want to, not cause I'm dry or wearing a scent. Doesn't mean I not trying to be dry or smell nice, but this is life - no? Sent from my iPhone, from somewhere... >> From sl at stevelittler.com Sun Mar 1 01:38:29 2009 From: sl at stevelittler.com (Steve Littler) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:38:29 -0500 Subject: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace" In-Reply-To: <49AA0A1F.30200@ruby.plala.or.jp> References: <183883.30420.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <49A85D9B.3080106@stevelittler.com> <694bf47d0902271417l325b070dse8d6388abae20771@mail.gmail.com> <49AA0A1F.30200@ruby.plala.or.jp> Message-ID: <49AA2D65.8020706@stevelittler.com> Coconut oil soaks into the skin in a few minutes like skin conditioner. You won't be slippery. Steve Astrid wrote: > > And Greg, I suggest, you try powder instead of oil, oil might just > make you slippery in addition to being wet. > > Astrid > > > Endzone 102 wrote: >> I can't wear a suit and tie. I overheat very badly if I wear long >> sleeves. >> (Yes, I know I'm a border case, and not typical in this at all). I >> usually >> have to change my a-shirt after a milonga tanda. I'll look in to >> coconut >> oil. That sounds interesting. >> >> -Greg G >> >> > > From jayrabe at hotmail.com Sun Mar 1 06:03:58 2009 From: jayrabe at hotmail.com (Jay Rabe) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:03:58 +0000 Subject: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace" In-Reply-To: <49AA0A1F.30200@ruby.plala.or.jp> References: <183883.30420.qm@web55306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <49A85D9B.3080106@stevelittler.com> <694bf47d0902271417l325b070dse8d6388abae20771@mail.gmail.com> <49AA0A1F.30200@ruby.plala.or.jp> Message-ID: > Fortunately, Japanese do not usually smell, their > sweat glands are smaller and they eat differently and bathe and shower > all the time too. Wetness is one thing, for which I have no input. I know some men and women perspire a lot and get wet, but what it is in their makeup or diet or exercise or lack therof that creates their propensity is a mystery to me. Odor, however, is a different story. Not bathing regularly or recently leaves bacteria on your skin that creates odor when it gets wet with new sweat. There's also diet and emotional contributions. People who are anxious or nervous, or people who drink a lot of coffee (or mate?) tend to have acrid sweat that has a much stronger and very unpleasant odor. Clean sweat on clean skin is almost odorless, and even contains pheromones that are reputed to be attractive, in an animalistic way, as in, "let's get hot and sweaty." J _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From jackdylan007 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 07:11:26 2009 From: jackdylan007 at yahoo.com (Jack Dylan) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 04:11:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tango-L] dark milongas References: <49A442CD.10102@springssauna.com> <49A44FED.5080802@yahoo.com> <49A46BE4.8070708@stevelittler.com> Message-ID: <469933.77729.qm@web59901.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> At El Beso milongas they change the lighting to change the mood. They have maximum lighting for the cabaceo between tandas, dim slightly for the dancing and then it dims right down at the end of the tanda to allow for a nice romantic ending. It then goes up again to allow people to leave the floor. I guess this must be the job of the DJ. Jack ----- Original Message ---- > From: Vince Bagu?auskas > > > I dislike dark milongas, maybe becasue my eyesight is not as good as it used to > be.? I also like to see where I am going. > > > > > Maybe the darkness is used to mask embarrassing moments? > From vytis at hotmail.com Sun Mar 1 02:34:13 2009 From: vytis at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Vince_Bagu=B9auskas?=) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:34:13 +1100 Subject: [Tango-L] shocking In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6742FE61DCC7-F4C-1E10@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I also remember my tango teacher in Canberra and who used to teach all sorts of dances in Brisbane who kept a tray of deodorants and wipes in the men's toilets with a sign that said something about having respect for others, and to use the toiletries on hand. Cheers! Vince _________________________________________________________________ Want to marry your mail? Combine your email accounts here! http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=633386 From jayrabe at hotmail.com Tue Mar 3 04:01:32 2009 From: jayrabe at hotmail.com (Jay Rabe) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:01:32 +0000 Subject: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6742FE61DCC7-F4C-1E10@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I know this is bordering on a commercial, but I think every tanguero that has a sweat problem needs to know about this Very Effective solution. I have no financial or emotional attachment to them, other than when I see someone dripping and soggy, I feel bad for them and their partners, knowing these shirts are truly magical in their effectiveness. http://TangueroDesigns.com Enjoy. J _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 From joe.grohens at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 01:07:06 2009 From: joe.grohens at gmail.com (Joe Grohens) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:07:06 -0600 Subject: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts Message-ID: <3D455616-C1FE-4439-A519-25636776C1B6@gmail.com> > I know this is bordering on a commercial, but I think every tanguero > that has a sweat problem needs to know about this Very Effective > solution. I have no financial or emotional attachment to them, other > than when I see someone dripping and soggy, I feel bad for them and > their partners, knowing these shirts are truly magical in their > effectiveness. http://TangueroDesigns.com Enjoy. Jay, Well, hmm, nice suggestion... is there any alternative to the "Strictly Ballroom" cut of these things? I see that they "go" with everything Alex Krebs owns, but what about guys who don't have their own trademark pant design? I'd be lookng for something that works with a pair of dress slacks and a jacket, perhaps a tie.... ;-) From jayrabe at hotmail.com Wed Mar 4 12:01:39 2009 From: jayrabe at hotmail.com (Jay Rabe) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:01:39 +0000 Subject: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts In-Reply-To: <3D455616-C1FE-4439-A519-25636776C1B6@gmail.com> References: <3D455616-C1FE-4439-A519-25636776C1B6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi joe, I wear them with everything from jeans to slacks. They work fine IMO. I've worn them with a jacket, but don't think I've ever worn a tie with one. There's only one style available, though in both short and long sleeves. It's true the collar is a little soft, with no stiffener, and the fabric is very flexible, slightly stretchy, I think there's Lycra in it. I got a private post saying there are some other manufacturers offering shirts with the same or similar fabric under the brand name CoolMax, but my web search didn't find any black dress shirts, nor any better selection of colors. Regardless of the cut, if you sweat a lot, they're the only thing I've ever found that completely keeps you dry. They work. J _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 From sl at stevelittler.com Wed Mar 4 12:34:02 2009 From: sl at stevelittler.com (Steve Littler) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:34:02 -0500 Subject: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts In-Reply-To: References: <3D455616-C1FE-4439-A519-25636776C1B6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AEBB8A.5070102@stevelittler.com> Hi Jay, Does one wear a cotton tee shirt under neath that shirt - or would that defeat how it works? Steve Jay Rabe wrote: > Hi joe, > > I wear them with everything from jeans to slacks. They work fine IMO. I've worn them with a jacket, but don't think I've ever worn a tie with one. There's only one style available, though in both short and long sleeves. It's true the collar is a little soft, with no stiffener, and the fabric is very flexible, slightly stretchy, I think there's Lycra in it. I got a private post saying there are some other manufacturers offering shirts with the same or similar fabric under the brand name CoolMax, but my web search didn't find any black dress shirts, nor any better selection of colors. Regardless of the cut, if you sweat a lot, they're the only thing I've ever found that completely keeps you dry. They work. > > J From jayrabe at hotmail.com Wed Mar 4 13:58:51 2009 From: jayrabe at hotmail.com (Jay Rabe) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:58:51 +0000 Subject: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts In-Reply-To: <49AEBB8A.5070102@stevelittler.com> References: <3D455616-C1FE-4439-A519-25636776C1B6@gmail.com> <49AEBB8A.5070102@stevelittler.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, I don't wear a tee shirt under. I don't think it would defeat anything, but it would make you much warmer, without any real benefit, IMO. J _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 From Crrtango at aol.com Wed Mar 4 14:18:00 2009 From: Crrtango at aol.com (Crrtango@aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:18:00 EST Subject: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts Message-ID: J wrote: I have that shirt in lots of colors. The style is a bit old fashioned, conservative boxy american cut. And i wish it were made in a thinner fabric. Great for travel, it does not wrinkle even when jammed intoa backpack. If you wear it unbuttoned, untucked, with a contrasting color T, it might look nice, but you want that microfiber to touch your skin to do its wicking work best, so the T will defeat that. Charles T shirt method does delay your soaking through to outer layer, but your T will still be uncomfortably soaked, which will make you less comfortable. Ugh. not for me. As for what he says about white being a heat reflection, thats only true compared to other cotton colors in direct sunlight. There is no heat reflection under your suit. And it certainly increases your body temp to have another unnecessary layer. I guess changing t's under you shirt is easier, and cheaper to launder, than changing dress shirts and suit jackets. Another option I like is Under Armour Heatgear, or similar products, to wick perspiration away from your body and keep you dry. And that stuff is so form fitting it encourages me to stay away from the Alfajores. -Martin From hross at MIT.EDU Fri Mar 6 14:16:31 2009 From: hross at MIT.EDU (Hillary Ross) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:16:31 -0500 Subject: [Tango-L] Tango-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01c99e90$0eed4600$2cc7d200$@edu> Regarding wicking shirts for you men - it's nice that you stay dry, but the action of the fabric is to wick it away from you. And where does that end up? At the outside of your shirt - for the followers! Hmm...something to think about. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: tango-l-bounces at MIT.EDU [mailto:tango-l-bounces at MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of tango-l-request at MIT.EDU Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:20 PM To: tango-l at mit.edu Subject: Tango-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 5 Send Tango-L mailing list submissions to tango-l at mit.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tango-l-request at mit.edu You can reach the person managing the list at tango-l-owner at mit.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tango-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. the tanguero stay dry shirt (Nussbaum, Martin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:53:59 -0500 From: "Nussbaum, Martin" Subject: [Tango-L] the tanguero stay dry shirt To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have that shirt in lots of colors. The style is a bit old fashioned, conservative boxy american cut. And i wish it were made in a thinner fabric. Great for travel, it does not wrinkle even when jammed intoa backpack. If you wear it unbuttoned, untucked, with a contrasting color T, it might look nice, but you want that microfiber to touch your skin to do its wicking work best, so the T will defeat that. Charles T shirt method does delay your soaking through to outer layer, but your T will still be uncomfortably soaked, which will make you less comfortable. Ugh. not for me. As for what he says about white being a heat reflection, thats only true compared to other cotton colors in direct sunlight. There is no heat reflection under your suit. And it certainly increases your body temp to have another unnecessary layer. I guess changing t's under you shirt is easier, and cheaper to launder, than changing dress shirts and suit jackets. Another option I like is Under Armour Heatgear, or similar products, to wick perspiration away from your body and keep you dry. And that stuff is so form fitting it encourages me to stay away from the Alfajores. -Martin ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L at mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l End of Tango-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 5 ************************************** From jayrabe at hotmail.com Fri Mar 6 15:39:13 2009 From: jayrabe at hotmail.com (Jay Rabe) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:39:13 +0000 Subject: [Tango-L] Stay-dry shirts In-Reply-To: <001d01c99e90$0eed4600$2cc7d200$@edu> References: <001d01c99e90$0eed4600$2cc7d200$@edu> Message-ID: HRoss wrote: > Regarding wicking shirts for you men - it's nice that you stay dry, but the > action of the fabric is to wick it away from you. And where does that end > up? At the outside of your shirt - for the followers! Hmm...something to > think about. ;-) Actually it doesn't work that way. I presume the moisture evaporates, because the shirts are completely dry on the outside too. J _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? 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Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From brick at fastpack.com Sat Mar 7 17:57:35 2009 From: brick at fastpack.com (Brick Robbins) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:57:35 -0800 Subject: [Tango-L] Stay-dry shirts Message-ID: The shirts are made of Coolmax fabric Coolmax is made from a specially shaped polyester fiber with grooves along the length of the thread. The grooves do 2 things, 1) the capillary action distributes the moisture over a longer distance along the thread, spreading out the moisture giving more area for evaporation 2) the grooves increase the surface area of the thread, giving more area for evaporation The special thread is woven into a special weave that allows more air to pass through the fabric, promoting evaporation. This stuff works. From john at lowry.com.au Sun Mar 8 21:49:00 2009 From: john at lowry.com.au (John Lowry) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:49:00 +1000 Subject: [Tango-L] Is this appropriate for posting on L? Message-ID: Milonga Para Los Ni?os is a non-profit organisation established in 2001 to assist poor children in Argentina through the world Tango community, to return some of the love that we enjoy from the gift of Tango. Details of the organisation and its social work are at www.paralosninos.net . It is a very simple concept. We ask each caring Tango community, anywhere in the world, to organise one milonga per year in a form and at a time to suit your community. Our aim is to create the world's biggest annual Tango embrace. Please contact us (details on the web site) to be authorised for your milonga, or for more information. From larrynla at juno.com Tue Mar 10 16:30:45 2009 From: larrynla at juno.com (larrynla@juno.com) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:30:45 GMT Subject: [Tango-L] Show tango is not REAL tango?! Message-ID: <20090310.133045.28864.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> It has become politically correct to say that show tango is not REAL tango. This would have surprised the first milongueros. They did informal tango shows at milongas and also performed on stage and screen. Most of the cast of "Tango Argentino" were milongueros and milongueras. For some insight into milonguero's attitudes toward show tango you might like reading the autobiographical interview on TodoTango.com of Pepito Avellaneda and others. http://www.todotango.com/english/creadores/pavellaneda.asp Even the youngest couple in "Argentino" who later became full-time dance pros started out as fanatical milonga dancers. That tradition is still alive today, when most professional Argentine show dancers have had much formal training and think of themselves as dancers first. When they've practiced many hours each week and taught multiple classes it's not unusual for them to eat and rest in the evening and then go out to milongas to relax. These pros might or might not dance, and when they dance usually they are indistinguishable from anyone else: simple moves, close embrace, stay in the flow, etc. Unless you know them from shows you'd be hard put to identify them as pros, except for their absolute mastery of movement. But then you'll also see this mastery in others who don't fit today's rather recent image of pros: young, fit, good-looking. Though those Argentine pros may not dance at all at milongas. Argentines view milongas differently to those outside the country, who are often deadly serious about the dance and to whom the social element is important but subordinate to the dancing. In Argentina, and to the Argentines I know where I dance, a milonga is first a social event. It's where you meet friends and family and gossip and snack and smoke and listen to the music and watch the antics of foreigners with usually indulgent amusement. Many Argentines go to local milongas and have for years that are just a short walk away, or drive or hitch rides with friends for slightly longer distances. Every milonga is different, some catering to a very specific crowd such as the very young. But in many it's more usual than not to see three generations of an extended family, including subteens or even infants who watch the dancing with fascination. Sometimes an aunt or an uncle will be a show dancer, maybe full-time but also part-time, especially skilled or attractive women and men who earn extra money each weekend by dance en escenario, maybe in tango dinner shows put on for tourists. Many a full-time professional tango (and other) dancer began dancing at ten or so at a milonga with a proud grandparent as a partner or teacher. Politically conscious tango fans often try to make a clear-cut binary distinction between REAL tango and show tango, but the universe rarely cooperates with such rigid views. Sharing with others mastery of something difficult and wonderful is part of human nature. Outside Argentina this often shows up as "tango crimes" such as racing around a crowded floor or doing whirlwind molinetes. Inside Argentina these "criminals" are usually quickly set straight. So very late at milongas in Argentina, when the crowd thins out and the floor opens up, is when you usually see more showy behavior. And not just by energetic acrobatic younger dancers. Those of advanced years who danced so close and simply in the thick of the evening get a bit of room from their partners and get a bit fancy, showing those who've only had, say, a mere decade of tango dance experience what someone can do who's been dancing for several decades. Larry de Los Angeles http://www.ShapechangerTales.com - 2nd short story added ____________________________________________________________ Hit it out of the park with a new bat. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsL78uS3y6tKKYy0WrC5YNKaGyLNM91amtXnadxKhxrasvJL1sL8Uw/ From jackdylan007 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 04:57:28 2009 From: jackdylan007 at yahoo.com (Jack Dylan) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] musings References: <852173.72587.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <588131.11907.qm@web59913.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Mario, You might be interested to know that I saw Alberto Dassieu recently at a milonga in Buenos Aires. Strangely, it was on a very quiet night at El Beso, which is mostly frequented by tourists and I guess he was there to escort a Japanese couple who appeared to be his students. Alberto rarely danced and always just 2 songs. During those 2 songs he would make exactly one rotation of the dance floor and then sit down. He was truly mesmerising; an oasis of calm in a maelstrom of activity. ?I think it's something I'll never forget. Jack > From: Mario > ? > ? This guy is one of my favorites and so I post it... he does slow tango really > slow > ? Tango Milonguero - Alberto Dassieu y Paulina Spinoso > ? http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=mKFM1HGVGnQ >?? From dancetango at oaklodge.com Wed Mar 11 17:15:56 2009 From: dancetango at oaklodge.com (dancetango@oaklodge.com) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:15:56 -0700 Subject: [Tango-L] Looking for Apartment to rent Message-ID: <001b01c9a28e$91f83b70$b5e8b250$@com> I'm looking for an apartment to rent in Palermo district, lots of light, quite and hopefully non smoking. For 1 person but more space would be good. I can pay up to $1000 per month. Dates: 22nd April thru 26th August Thanks. From elemer_7 at msn.com Sat Mar 14 22:48:09 2009 From: elemer_7 at msn.com (ELEMER DUBROVAY) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:48:09 -0700 Subject: [Tango-L] Show tango is not REAL tango?! In-Reply-To: <20090310.133045.28864.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> References: <20090310.133045.28864.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: From: elemer_7 at msn.com To: larrynla at juno.com; tango-l at mit.edu Subject: RE: [Tango-L] Show tango is not REAL tango?! Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:47:33 -0700 Hy Larry This is the best explanation of what tango is and how it functions. I was born in Buenos Aires and started dancing tango in 1947. I live in Redmond WA USA now and it surprises me that some good dancers and teachers even some coming from Argentina are dancing and teaching show tango, running around the dancing floor and scaring the other dancers, doing show tango steps disturbing the regular flow in the milongas. I did watch the fantastic dancing of Osvaldo and Miguel Zotto. It was in a Tango Festival in Miami. In the regular dancing held after the Show, I watched them dancing between the regular dancers in a very elegant way and with no show tango steps and not disturbing the other couples dancing around them. I am glad that most of the dancers here in Seattle are good dancers and respect the other dancers. Elemer in Redmond.................. ******************************************************** > From: larrynla at juno.com > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:30:45 +0000 > To: tango-L at mit.edu > Subject: [Tango-L] Show tango is not REAL tango?! > > http://www.todotango.com/english/creadores/pavellaneda.asp > >> . > > Politically conscious tango fans often try to make a clear-cut binary > distinction between REAL tango and show tango, but the universe rarely > cooperates with such rigid views. Sharing with others mastery of > something difficult and wonderful is part of human nature. Outside > Argentina this often shows up as "tango crimes" such as racing around a > crowded floor or doing whirlwind molinetes. Inside Argentina these > "criminals" are usually quickly set straight. So very late at milongas > in Argentina, when the crowd thins out and the floor opens up, is when > you usually see more showy behavior. And not just by energetic > acrobatic younger dancers. Those of advanced years who danced so close > and simply in the thick of the evening get a bit of room from their > partners and get a bit fancy, showing those who've only had, say, a > mere decade of tango dance experience what someone can do who's been > dancing for several decades. > > Larry de Los Angeles >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From bertil36 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 14 15:10:27 2009 From: bertil36 at hotmail.com (Bertil Nestorius) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:10:27 +0100 Subject: [Tango-L] New wawe is coming and also perhaps "the Lead pyramid" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a very interessting subjekt (the lead of the cross) even though I find Mila and Korey fantastic dancers I don't agree 100% with how the want their students to lead the cross. They speak on the video about leading the spine (or center of weight) on the left or the right side of the standing leg and in this way lead the cross or another back step. This method is good if you have a very good sence of your body, but is definatly not a beginner subject. What for me is more important is that the method above(I've been using it aswell) doesn't take any use of of the stuctures that the Tango has. The very most important stucture in the Tango is the Molinette (front-side -back-side), found for the follower in every Giro.As a mather of fact, all stucturers Tango are for the followers. You find, if you break the 8-step base appart, that it also is in this stucture(a Giro traversing in the room) atleast untill the cross. That makes the cross nothing else as as small front step. With this in mind it is easy to find an much easier(in sence of demand of body awarness) way of leading the cross. Since the the cross is an front step, the step before must be an side step (or better an open step) an hence schould be lead with the schoulder in the same line as the feet, as opposed the our normal forward and backward walking where the schoulders are opposite to our feet. That makes that when I don't want to lead the cross I lead the 4th step(or equivalent) with the schouldes opposite to the feet. This is nothing but my 5 cent to the topic of Leading the cross, but I hope I have expressed myself clearly and would like to know what others are thinking about this. Bertil > Do you think the woman is leading here? No, she is simply demonstating > what the leader has to do to make the follower cross. She's not suggesting > that "she " is the leader in the dance. Although this is described as a > beginning class, many leaders who consider themselves way beyond > beginners still don't know how to effectively lead the cross and could learn > something valuable here. > >> This is THE Tango dance wave of the future... >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmqGUamkOHE >>..get ready for it...it teaches by hypnosis and it's precedentwas the >> Emporer's clothes...Soon, the lady will lead as much as the man and it's >> anybody's guess "who is leading now"... check out the rest of the Windows Live?. More than mail?Windows Live? goes way beyond your inbox. More than messages _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From politas at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 01:03:53 2009 From: politas at gmail.com (Myk Dowling) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:03:53 +1100 Subject: [Tango-L] New wawe is coming and also perhaps "the Lead pyramid" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BDDDB9.9090805@gmail.com> Bertil Nestorius wrote: > This is a very interessting subjekt (the lead of the cross) even though > I find Mila and Korey fantastic dancers I don't agree 100% with how the > want their students to lead the cross. They speak on the video about > leading the spine (or center of weight) on the left or the right side > of the standing leg and in this way lead the cross or another back step. > This method is good if you have a very good sence of your body, but is > definatly not a beginner subject. Depends on the beginner. For people who _do_ have a good sense of their body, it is much better to teach them right from the start. Don't assume all your beginners are as bad as each other. > The very most important stucture in the Tango is the Molinette (front- > side -back-side), found for the follower in every Giro.As a mather of > fact, all stucturers Tango are for the followers. I think it's far more important for a follower to be receptive to the leader's suggestion than to be thinking in terms of what "should" come next. > You find, if you break the 8-step base appart, that it also is in this > stucture(a Giro traversing in the room) atleast untill the cross. That > makes the cross nothing else as as small front step. With this in mind > it is easy to find an much easier(in sence of demand of body awarness) > way of leading the cross. Since the the cross is an front step, the > step before must be an side step (or better an open step) an hence > schould be lead with the schoulder in the same line as the feet, as > opposed the our normal forward and backward walking where the > schoulders are opposite to our feet. That makes that when I don't want > to lead the cross I lead the 4th step(or equivalent) with the > schouldes opposite to the feet. You can lead something like a cross by leading a side step followed by a crossing front step, but it is an entirely different motion, flow and look to a cross lead by guiding the centre of balance to the outside of the standing leg. I do both under different circumstances. What you describe makes the cross the result of a final pivot after the moving foot is placed, where a cross lead by guiding the centre of weight has the moving foot arrive already in the cross position. (And from a fundamental perspective, I abhor any discussion of tango technique that attempts to use the "8-step base" as a form of evidence. The 8-step base is a teaching tool, not a matter of technique.) -- Myk, in Canberra From sopelote at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 16:58:11 2009 From: sopelote at yahoo.com (Mario) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Mi Gusto es.. Message-ID: <158506.87320.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> O.K. this is strictly a matter of personal taste but I would like to talk about a recently made video that I find VERY reassuring. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcITzQ5viJA This is it and this is why I like it. The dancers are EstadoUnidenses they are in the prime of their life (35yrs) and they are dancing a clean, saavy traditional social tango. Their moves are not showey but impressive and do not distract from their embrace nor the music. Their variety of moves are expressive of the wide range of Milonguero technique. They have the cadencia, synchopation that makes the dance interesting, suprising, unpredictable, enjoyable. They are not robotic. Everything that they do here could be done on a crowded dancefloor and not bother any other pair of dancers...the key word is 'crowded'. I like this sample of their dance and would like to see more. I would gladly study with these people. They awaken my enthusiasm, again. From damian.thompson at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 20:04:29 2009 From: damian.thompson at gmail.com (Noughts) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:04:29 +1100 Subject: [Tango-L] Mi Gusto es.. In-Reply-To: <158506.87320.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <158506.87320.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, if that inspires you, this should blow you out of the water - a true maestro of tango (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqzaek6lO7s&feature=channel_page), not one nuevo move in it. Watch it, learn. Oh, and if you open the link and go "NOOOO", then you have missed the point... Open your minds.... Tango is never never 1 level. Not the music, not the dance, not the people. For me, this couple were not very good for many reasons and that is my taste - I like true style, not replicated; stepping on the beat, not after; rise and fall, not bounce; collecting the feet when correct, not forced; comfortable frame, not propped.... but as you say, it's a matter of personal taste. 2009/3/17 Mario > > O.K. this is strictly a matter of personal taste but I would like > to talk about a recently made video that I find VERY reassuring. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcITzQ5viJA > This is it and this is why I like it. > The dancers are EstadoUnidenses they are in the prime of their > life (35yrs) and they are dancing a clean, saavy traditional > social tango. Their moves are not showey but impressive and > do not distract from their embrace nor the music. Their variety > of moves are expressive of the wide range of Milonguero technique. > They have the cadencia, synchopation that makes the dance interesting, > suprising, unpredictable, enjoyable. They are not robotic. > Everything that they do here could be done on a crowded dancefloor > and not bother any other pair of dancers...the key word is 'crowded'. > I like this sample of their dance and would like to see more. > I would gladly study with these people. They awaken my enthusiasm, again. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l From dklmau at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 21:48:25 2009 From: dklmau at yahoo.com (dklmau) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Boston 2009 Festival? Message-ID: <311115.65229.qm@web56006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Is the Boston Tango Club having their Boston Festival in 2009?? It is usually?held in June.? Tnx From patangos at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 10:11:06 2009 From: patangos at yahoo.com (Trini y Sean (PATangoS)) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Mi Gusto es.. In-Reply-To: <158506.87320.qm@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <385199.42390.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Mario wrote: > The dancers are EstadoUnidenses they are in the prime of > their life (35yrs) and they are dancing a clean, saavy > traditional social tango. Prime of life is 35 years? Please. Life has just begun. Part of the beauty of tango is the emotional depth one acquires through the joys and heartaches of living. I know people who are in much better shape in their 40/50's than they were in their 30's because of the technique worked on for their tango. Trini de Pittsburgh From musettefan at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 15:22:00 2009 From: musettefan at yahoo.com (musette fan) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Tango in Florence? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <920557.30553.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I was wondering if anyone on the list had any information on or experience with tango in Florence, Italy in the summer months? I have been dutifully searching the net, and have read that many activities close for ?the summer.? I know it?s far in advance, but I will be there for a while, and don?t want to get my hopes up if there won?t be any possibility to dance tango! I would be grateful for any details, leads, suggestions, etc. on at least what is the typical situation in that region. Thanks very much! Terri From jb34528 at att.net Thu Mar 19 18:29:38 2009 From: jb34528 at att.net (jb34528@att.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:29:38 +0000 Subject: [Tango-L] SA: Beautiful apt. available to rent in BsAs Message-ID: <031920092229.25025.49C2C75200017B89000061C122218683269B0A02D29B9B0EBFC8CDCACBCC0D06@att.net> Beautifully remodeled apartment (in Dec.2008) in Palermo, walking distance to Salon Caning, Villa Malcolm, La Viruta. I was the first happy inhabitant. 70msq, 2br, 1 bath, balcony into the trees, a galore of amenities including phone, broadband internet, cable/satellite TV, DVD player, fully equipped kitchen, linen provided, and more. Contact: marciaduhagon at gmail.com Jan From larrynla at juno.com Fri Mar 20 04:03:55 2009 From: larrynla at juno.com (larrynla@juno.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:03:55 GMT Subject: [Tango-L] How do you decide who to dance with? Message-ID: <20090320.010355.7911.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Tonight I went to one of my favorite milongas, which is at the L.A. Argentine Association. I like go early to get a good parking spot and my favorite table. Not many people come that early so I was idly thinking about this and that, that being how I pick the ladies to ask. I have a routine which gradually evolved; I didn't plan it out. The first people I think of are friends, then acquaintances who always let me know they enjoy dancing with me. I often don't dance with them, though. Most of them are good dancers, and popular for themselves. Only if they seem to be sitting out a lot of dances do I check with them to see if they want to dance but, for whatever reason, are not being asked a lot that night. Then I check for ladies who aren't dancing at all or very much, for any of several reasons. I have several motivations for this, selfish and otherwise. One is that I fear being rejected less. And if they are beginners they probably won't be highly critical of me. I'm pretty good after twenty years of tango and thirty years of lots of other dancers before that, but I'm not super-terrific. And I also know what it is like to want to dance but not have the chance, so I sort of pay back all the women who were kind to me by being kind to these ladies. Soon I have warmed up not only physically but emotionally and artistically, and I'm dancing well. So I begin asking the more popular ladies to dance. There's more to my routine than that, but that's enough to get a discussion started. So. How do you decide who to dance with? Larry de Los Angeles http://ShapechangerTales.com - story added: "Kassandra's Last Warning" ____________________________________________________________ Improve your driving ability with a stop at traffic school. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsKnbV3TehioTqIJKxYo8mJMjM3IIN0R2CjJyVXloz59u5flG8UKC8/ From sl at stevelittler.com Fri Mar 20 11:32:10 2009 From: sl at stevelittler.com (Steve Littler) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:32:10 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] How do you decide who to dance with? In-Reply-To: <20090320.010355.7911.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20090320.010355.7911.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <49C3B6FA.2040708@stevelittler.com> Dear Larry, I have pretty much the same routine. I have been dancing 1.5 years. In addition I would like to say that in my hometown I start the evening with my favorite dance partner with who I also attend several lessons and practica's each week and 1 private lesson a month. And I return to her several times during the night, especially for a Vals or Milonga tanda or if we are both sitting for a Tango (or after dancing with beginners. She will tell me to lean more or lead with my chest more if I have degraded my posture or compas after dancing with beginners.) I also try to dance with the local teacher ladies one tanda if they come that night. (I'll usually get some valuable feedback.) I also dance with beginners as payback for ladies that danced with me in the beginning. My hometown milonga runs about 5 hours with an attendance of about 30 and I may dance with most of the ladies that night depending on how many attend. The last few Milonga tandas I dance with my favorite again since she is a strong Milonga dancer and the floor is not very crowded at that time and we can fly and make large patterns without disturbing other couples.( I like to end the night on a strong Canaro milonga.) If I drive out of town 2.25 hours to the Tampa Bay Tango Club monthly milonga which is only about 2.5 hours long and has an attendance of about 100, I dance with the 5-6 best dancers (non-teachers) - that I already know from past experience - several times (and maybe 1 beginner due to time constraints of a short night.) El Stevito de Gainesville http://gainesvilletango.wordpress.com/ > From damian.thompson at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 12:39:51 2009 From: damian.thompson at gmail.com (Noughts) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:39:51 +1100 Subject: [Tango-L] How do you decide who to dance with? In-Reply-To: <49C3B6FA.2040708@stevelittler.com> References: <20090320.010355.7911.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <49C3B6FA.2040708@stevelittler.com> Message-ID: I always dance with my partner first and last - if that is possible. If I have to excuse myself to freshen up at either end of the night and miss either the first or last, c'est la vie. However like others, then I love to dance my "warm up" tanda's with people I know who are forgiving and kind to me and allow me to get the kinks out so to speak. Then, depending upon the music as to whom I dance with - I rarely dance a milonga with anyone but an experienced dancer and one that I have shared time with doing tango first. Milonga has so little reaction time for the follower that you want to know that the partner can keep up with change of pace, syncopation and quick changes of direction first. Vals I dance with either beginnners, or advanced and Tango with all. Nuevo (if you want to label) with more advanced, but not only. As for the order, whomever is available, but sometimes, I like to watch too... sometimes people forget that this is also a chance for men, women and kids if they are dancing or there, that we all like to watch and see how everyone else is going. I don't care about age, weight, race or religion - love to dance with people that connect, the reason we are there ;-) Damian PS - I'll dance with men too, if we run short but hey, isn't that how we improve? :-) From patangos at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 18:15:48 2009 From: patangos at yahoo.com (Trini y Sean (PATangoS)) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] How do you decide who to dance with? In-Reply-To: <20090320.010355.7911.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <423711.70805.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 3/20/09, larrynla at juno.com wrote: > So. How do you decide who to dance with? At local milongas, it depends primarily on the music for me. Since beginners arrive earlier to milongas than experienced dancers, it's common for music earlier in the milonga to be simpler to warm up the crowd. As more people arrive, the rhythm gets faster. Later in the evening there is usually a period of slow and intense music and/or alternative. That pace determines my evening. My first and last partner is always my husband. For the simple music in the milonga, I'll dance with the beginners or intermediates (usually my students at a local milonga). But I try to save my favorite partners for later in the milonga so that I can go home with a smile. That also happens to be the time that the most interesting music gets played - Biagi, Pugliese, Troilo, alternative. I'm not the type that wants to dance every single tanda, either. At festivals, I'll dance with my friends whenever I get the chance. In other cities, I'm also more flexible. Trini de Pittsburgh From astrid at ruby.plala.or.jp Fri Mar 20 02:19:51 2009 From: astrid at ruby.plala.or.jp (Astrid) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:19:51 +0900 Subject: [Tango-L] Tango in Florence? In-Reply-To: <920557.30553.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <920557.30553.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C33587.3030601@ruby.plala.or.jp> A long time ago there was a lady on tango-l who taught tango milonguero in Florence, I believe. Try www.kidojo.it or anyway, Kidojo was the name of the place, they also had martial arts there. Otherwise check for info on www.cyber-tango.com musette fan wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list had any information on or experience with tango in Florence, Italy in the summer months? From hippybogus at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 05:59:15 2009 From: hippybogus at gmail.com (Hippy Bogus) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:59:15 +0100 Subject: [Tango-L] Tango in Florence? In-Reply-To: <920557.30553.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <920557.30553.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Terri, Just three links to help you on your way (mostly in Italian) http://www.firenzetangofestival.com/festival/english.htm http://www.tangofirenze.net/ http://www.buenosairestango.it/site/index.php?sezione=home&lingua=it There is definitely a tango community in Florence/Firenze. If you can't find any more informaiton, I would be glad to help you get in touch with a friend who lives in Firenze and dances tango there. Abrazos On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM, musette fan wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I was wondering if anyone on the list had any information on or experience > with tango in Florence, Italy in the summer months? > > I have been dutifully searching the net, and have read that many activities > close for ?the summer.? I know it?s far in advance, but I will be there for > a while, and don?t want to get my hopes up if there won?t be any possibility > to dance tango! I would be grateful for any details, leads, suggestions, > etc. on at least what is the typical situation in that region. > > Thanks very much! > > Terri > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > From sopelote at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 16:42:39 2009 From: sopelote at yahoo.com (Mario) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Is this good 'teaching'? Message-ID: <794785.52385.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is good 'teaching' all about making the simple difficult? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQKtQxz0mV8 What I've learned from studying language acquisition is that the 'whole' is bigger than the sum of it's parts. Chopping a dance up into it's parts in order to learn to dance, has it's pluses and minuses...but seeing the whole dance as a 'whole' has only it's plusses. So, we work with this. What I disagree with in this video, is alienating the student from an already asimulated part of him/herself. Taking what would be familiar and making it foreign..My own belief is that fluency breeds more fluency. ..and getting away from fluency is just that..getting away from fluency. Dances are best enjoyed when they are fluently danced. So, I'm against practising awkwardness. What the heck are they doing, anyway?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQKtQxz0mV8 From sopelote at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 10:35:37 2009 From: sopelote at yahoo.com (Mario) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] More new tango moves Message-ID: <505439.14848.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Why is this being 'taught'? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYUv-4knVu4 Would you want to be dancing behind this woman on a crowded floor? Or even not so crowded? Will she pull her kicks when more people are dancing or will she forget once in a while? Have we all seen someone injured on the dance floor? I have. I saw a woman visciously spiked with long heels as another woman whipped an 'adornment' at a Milonga. The victim was livid and the perpetrator just glanced behind and then danced on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYUv-4knVu4 From syarzhuk at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 11:57:02 2009 From: syarzhuk at gmail.com (Sergey Kazachenko) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:57:02 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] Is this good 'teaching'? In-Reply-To: <794785.52385.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <794785.52385.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There's a comment right under the video explaining what's going on. Apparently they are being filmed by a camera and the goggles show them how they look from the side. While I have no idea how effective this particular method, I can tell there was more than one occasion when I looked at a video of myself dancing and cringed at how bad my posture was. So this instant feedback might be quite useful. Sergey May you be forever touched by His Noodly Appendage... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster ) On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Mario wrote: > > Is good 'teaching' all about making the simple difficult? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQKtQxz0mV8 > What I've learned from studying language acquisition is that the > 'whole' is bigger than the sum of it's parts. > Chopping a dance up into it's parts in order to learn to dance, > has it's pluses and minuses...but seeing the whole dance as a 'whole' > has only it's plusses. So, we work with this. > ?What I disagree with in this video, is alienating the student from > an already asimulated part of him/herself. Taking what would be familiar and making it foreign..My own belief is that fluency breeds more fluency. > ..and getting away from fluency is just that..getting away from fluency. > ?Dances are best enjoyed when they are fluently danced. > ?So, I'm against practising awkwardness. What the heck are they doing, anyway?? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQKtQxz0mV8 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > From syarzhuk at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 12:04:11 2009 From: syarzhuk at gmail.com (Sergey Kazachenko) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:04:11 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] More new tango moves In-Reply-To: <505439.14848.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <505439.14848.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There was a video with Chicho making rounds several months ago. It seemed his partner was doing these high kicks on every second step :) May you be forever touched by His Noodly Appendage... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster ) On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Mario wrote: > > Why is this being 'taught'? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYUv-4knVu4 > Would you want to be dancing behind this woman on a crowded floor? > Or even not so crowded? Will she pull her kicks when more people > are dancing or will she forget once in a while? > Have we all seen someone injured on the dance floor? I have. > I saw a woman visciously spiked with long heels as another woman > whipped an 'adornment' at a Milonga. The victim was livid and the > perpetrator just glanced behind and then danced on. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYUv-4knVu4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > From patangos at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 14:03:11 2009 From: patangos at yahoo.com (Trini y Sean (PATangoS)) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Is this good 'teaching'? In-Reply-To: <794785.52385.qm@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <392651.61938.qm@web55305.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Mario wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQKtQxz0mV8 > What I disagree with in this video, is alienating the > student from an already asimulated part of him/herself. Taking what > would be familiar and making it foreign.. Mario, I have no idea where you get that idea from this video. If anything, the video shows a method of creating more awareness of one's self. A lot of people think that they are standing up straight when they are actually bent forward or bent backward. In other words, what someone might think of as an assimulated part of him/herself, could actually be bad for tango. Basically, what is happening is that some people are filming the dancers, who can watch the results of the filming in real time through the goggles that they are wearing. They get instant feedback. I think it's a pretty good use of technology. Trini de Pittsburgh From sopelote at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 17:58:10 2009 From: sopelote at yahoo.com (Mario) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Mamie and Carlitos Message-ID: <394156.14740.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBREIWVDrXs&feature=related Some have not seen videos of Mamie + Carlitos and if not you are missing something brilliant. Here is a performance of a familiar Vals in which they show 'mastery' of the dance. Why 'mastery'? Because they are able to bring their dance to the same level of the music wherein they express all of it's emotion with each step. That's mastery. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBREIWVDrXs&feature=related (of course this is all just my opinion, in case you didn't know) From tango at kidojo.it Tue Mar 24 10:04:49 2009 From: tango at kidojo.it (tango@kidojo.it) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:04:49 +0100 Subject: [Tango-L] Tango in Florence? References: <920557.30553.qm@web53512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49C33587.3030601@ruby.plala.or.jp> Message-ID: <00d301c9ac89$7f619b50$1300000a@serverki> Hello, < References: Message-ID: Mario wrote: >>Would you want to be dancing behind this woman on a crowded floor? You should be so lucky! Paula is a lovely, lovely dancer. I have danced with her on a floor so crowded that it was later compared to "waiting in line" rather than dancing. She certainly accommodates her dance to the available space. Do you see anybody around her in the video? Didn't think so. Regards, David _________________________________________________________________ Internet Explorer 8 ? Now Available. Faster, safer, easier. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/ From TimmyTango at aol.com Tue Mar 24 21:32:34 2009 From: TimmyTango at aol.com (TimmyTango@aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:32:34 EDT Subject: [Tango-L] NA-E: Maxi Gluzman in cleveland this weekend Message-ID: Maximiliano Gluzman will be in Cleveland this weekend A true Milonguero from Buenos Aires, Argentina Taught by the old masters of the dance His English is extremely good and his lessons even better I know many people who think they dance milonguero but you'll find out what Milonguero really his when Maxi gets here. Friday Maxi will be at Viva Dance studio 12386 Pearl road in Strongsville, Ohio 7:00 to 8:30 lesson with dancing afterwards till 11:30 Saturday and Sunday workshops will be held at Nutriweight Solutions 12662 Rockside Road (at Turney road) in Garfield Hts, Ohio in the Garfield Mall Plaza next to Marc's department store,. from 12:30 registration and warm up 1:00 to 2:30 Cadencia-walking to musical rhythm, slowly and syncopated 3:00 to 4:30 Milonga con Traspie-Milonga in double and triple time. 9:00 to 1:00 Milonga with floor show with Maxi and Heather Sunday classes are 1:00 Pause and Motion-stopping for 2 or more beats 3:00 To Syncopate or NOT, Holding back while your partner keeps moving Sunday night Maxi will be interviewed by Ana Cara, head of the Spanish department at Oberlin College on Radio station WOBC 91.5 FM. to listen go on line to www.WOBC.org and click on the big toe Monday night Maxi will teach from 7:00 to 8:30 at La Casa Hispanica (also known as Harvy House) at Oberlin College 96 south Professor street. 8:30 to 11:00 practimilonga Private lessons are still available at the ridiculously low price of $70 an hr. call 440/748-2204


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Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From tango.society at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 04:05:45 2009 From: tango.society at gmail.com (Tango Society of Central Illinois) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:05:45 -0500 Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Mario wrote: Why is this being 'taught'? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYUv-4knVu4 Would you want to be dancing behind this woman on a crowded floor? Or even not so crowded? Will she pull her kicks when more people are dancing or will she forget once in a while? On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:56 PM, David Thorn wrote: You should be so lucky! Paula is a lovely, lovely dancer. I have danced with her on a floor so crowded that it was later compared to "waiting in line" rather than dancing. She certainly accommodates her dance to the available space. Do you see anybody around her in the video? Didn't think so. Mario has a point. Paula may adapt her dance to floor conditions, but what are the women observers learning from the demonstration? Are they thinking 'This is an exhibition. I would never do this on a social dance floor.' Or are they thinking 'This kicking is so cool. I wish I could do that', and they won't have the opportunity to give an exhibition defined as such so instead they will do their exhibition on the social dance floor. There is way way too much kicking in the air occurring on the social dance floor these days, even in Buenos Aires, by tourists who have learned it here and there but not learned the social codes of the milonga, specifically - keep you feet on the floor and dance within your frame. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Mario wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBREIWVDrXs&feature=related Some have not seen videos of Mamie + Carlitos and if not you are missing something brilliant. Here is a performance of a familiar Vals in which they show 'mastery' of the dance. Sorry, Mario. Mamie's boleos don't exactly hug the floor either. 'Tango milonguero' it isn't. This is how the milongueros dance vals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-nunHKNqs If you can't see the beauty in this demo, you're dancing the wrong dance. Ron From macfroggy at aol.com Wed Mar 25 07:31:55 2009 From: macfroggy at aol.com (macfroggy@aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:31:55 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB7B546F6785BA-1318-1CC@FWM-D45.sysops.aol.com> As luck would have it, last week my friend Gail Miller captured Amanda Lucero singing and dancing a solo tango in the bathroom of Los Consagrados, where Amanda works. Check it out on my blog: http://tangocherie.blogspot.com/2009/03/amanda-lucero-solo-tango.html cherie Sorry, Mario. Mamie's boleos don't exactly hug the floor either. 'Tango milonguero' it isn't. This is how the milongueros dance vals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-nunHKNqs If you can't see the beauty in this demo, you're dancing the wrong dance. From tango.society at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:09:17 2009 From: tango.society at gmail.com (Tango Society of Central Illinois) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:09:17 -0600 Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/3/25 Vince Bagu?auskas : > > "There is way way too much kicking in the air occurring on the social > dance floor these days, even in Buenos Aires, by tourists who have > learned it here and there but not learned the social codes of the > milonga, specifically - keep you feet on the floor and dance within > your frame." > > > Having just experienced Practica X and two other younger (under 40) milongas in BsAs in the last week so far, ?the many very excellent local teachers do big moves in the air. ?Seems that they are very capable to avoid kicking people. ?There are less tourists at these milongas than you think. > I was referring to my experience last July - August at mainstream milongas (e.g., at El Beso, Plaza Bohemia, Club Gricel), where the norm for dancing is Tango de Salon. In this environment, where floor density is high, kicking is unacceptable. The women doing the kicking were known to be foreigners. For an even more detailed account of the kicking epidemic in Buenos Aires milongas, check the blog of Deby Novitz, who lives in Buenos Aires: http://tangospam.typepad.com/ I can't account for nuevo practicas like Practica X. There are different rules there. Different dance, different rules. Ron From patangos at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 15:31:33 2009 From: patangos at yahoo.com (Trini y Sean (PATangoS)) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <647484.84538.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Tango Society of Central Illinois wrote: > Mario has a point. Paula may adapt her dance to floor conditions, but what are the women observers learning from the demonstration? Are they > thinking 'This is an exhibition. I would never do this on a social > dance floor.' Or are they thinking 'This kicking is so cool. I wish I > could do that', and they won't have the opportunity to give an > exhibition defined as such so instead they will do their exhibition on > the social dance floor. I'm sure that not every woman there was an idiot. I'm sure there were women watching who do when the appropriate time is to some high kicks. There may be some people, too, that won't know what the appropriate time is. But I don't see the point of withholding this type of information. Unless, of course, you never want a woman to learn to be expressive, learn new ways of controlling her body, or perhaps learn to hear the music differently. And if a woman does kick too much on the social dance floor, IT'S THE MAN'S FAULT FOR LEADING VOCABULARY THAT ALLOWS HER TO DO THAT. Don't be so quick to negatively judge a woman's ornaments when you have no idea the work a woman has to do in order to execute an ornament well. If Paula has inspired someone to work on their movements to try to execute the ornaments she's showing, then good for her! Trini de Pittsburgh From tempehuck at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 16:51:48 2009 From: tempehuck at gmail.com (Huck Kennedy) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:51:48 -0700 Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking In-Reply-To: <647484.84538.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <647484.84538.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote: > > --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Tango Society of Central Illinois wrote: > >> Mario has a point. Paula may adapt her dance to floor conditions, but what are the women observers learning from the demonstration? Are they >> thinking 'This is an exhibition. I would never do this on a social >> dance floor.' Or are they thinking 'This kicking is so cool. I wish I >> could do that', and they won't have the opportunity to give an >> exhibition defined as such so instead they will do their exhibition on >> the social dance floor. > > I'm sure that not every woman there was an idiot. ?I'm sure there were women watching who do when the appropriate time is to some high kicks. I'm curious, Trini, just when is this "appropriate" time, other than on the stage? I don't see how these particular kicks are ever appropriate on the social floor with any appreciable amount of people. At least not at any milonga I'd ever consider attending. > But I don't see the point of withholding this type of information. What is the point of teaching something that is arguably never appropriate to the social floor? Unless the class is specifically labelled exhibition tango. I seriously doubt that's the case in this instance, judging by the text accompanying the video. It appears to be this couple's regularly scheduled local tango class, ostensibly for the purpose of teaching people how to dance tango at milongas. > Unless, of course, you never want a woman to learn to be expressive, learn new ways of controlling her body, or perhaps learn to hear the music differently. So anything goes in the interests of self-expression and hearing the music differently? That includes shrugging one's shoulders in time with the music, swaying back and forth as if one were at a cowboy hootenanny, or, say, humping the man's leg on the dance floor to express the randy passion one is feeling at the moment? > And if a woman does kick too much on the social dance floor, IT'S THE MAN'S FAULT FOR LEADING VOCABULARY THAT ALLOWS HER TO DO THAT. Oh dear. With all due respect to the many fine postings of yours I've enjoyed over the years, Trini: What an utterly silly notion. The leader was not leading the kicks in this video in any way, shape or form whatsoever. The man shouldn't lead anything allowing her to do that? The leader in the video is doing nothing more than leading simple tango. How is that "allowing" the kicks? What is the leader supposed to do, put chains and shackles on her legs to prevent such kicking? What can he do, other than dump her right there on the floor and run away for dear life, hoping not too many people noticed him dancing with her? > Don't be so quick to negatively judge a woman's ornaments when you have no idea the work a woman has to do in order to execute an ornament well. Say what?!? Huck From damian.thompson at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 21:24:25 2009 From: damian.thompson at gmail.com (Noughts) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:24:25 +1100 Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sometimes, I should be quiet, but hey... Addressing any person that really is not very experienced. Vince makes a good point below. Why would you 1 make such comments and 2 - do it publically? 1 - you too were a tourist and very inexperienced even compared to those tourists most likely to be attending Practica X as it is greatly attended by very experienced dancers and a large majority of them are international teachers/professional. It is known FOR nuevo and people like yourselves who are still learning even basic techniques cause most of those incidents. BUT, as it is a practica, the vast majority of the experienced dancers accept that there will be some incidents and the floor us fairly well Self-regulated anyway. 2. Even now at milongas here, not to mention there, I still see beginner men telling more experienced ladies what to do and at practicas, even TEACHING them- very sad as most of them are not even able to walk in an ARGENTINE TANGO STLYE yet! 3. Practicas, men! Swallow your pride! Ask more experienced dancers for help! You just might improve then! Male or female! > 2009/3/25 Vince Bagu?auskas : >> >> "There is way way too much kicking in the air occurring on the social >> dance floor these days, even in Buenos Aires, by tourists who have >> learned it here and there but not learned the social codes of the >> milonga, specifically - keep you feet on the floor and dance within >> your frame." >> >> >> Having just experienced Practica X and two other younger (under 40) >> milongas in BsAs in the last week so far, the many very excellent >> local teachers do big moves in the air. Seems that they are very >> capable to avoid kicking people. There are less tourists at these >> milongas than you think. >> > > For an even more detailed account of the kicking epidemic in Buenos > Aires milongas, check the blog of Deby Novitz, who lives in Buenos > Aires: > > http://tangospam.typepad.com/ > > From brian at danceoftheheart.com Wed Mar 25 22:21:13 2009 From: brian at danceoftheheart.com (Brian Dunn) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:21:13 -0600 Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking Message-ID: <02bf01c9adb9$8a6268f0$9f273ad0$@com> Dear List, >>>> Trini> I'm sure that not every woman there was an idiot. I'm sure there were women watching who do when the appropriate time is to some high kicks. Huck> I'm curious, Trini, just when is this "appropriate" time, other than on the stage? I don't see how these particular kicks are ever appropriate on the social floor with any appreciable amount of people. At least not at any milonga I'd ever consider attending. <<<< I suspect Trini means that these moves would be appropriate on the social floor when there are NOT "an appreciable amount" of people - by which, let's assume, Huck means "too many people to allow this to be executed safely". Huck, maybe you never attend such milongas where this much room is available AT TIMES. But I often attend wonderful milongas where there is frequently enough room for such adornments, properly executed, without inconveniencing anyone, especially earlier or later in the evening. As one might expect, some people take advantage of the relatively larger amount of dance room to express themselves, and others don't. You may not enjoy dancing when there is that much room, you may not choose to dance with followers who express themselves in this way, and of course you're free to sit out anything which doesn't meet your preferences. But it hardly follows that it's "inappropriate" for someone else to use THEIR SHARE of the floor AT THAT MOMENT to express themselves. Why else are any of us there, but to use OUR SHARE of the floor to express ourselves in the arms of our partners? >>>> Trini> But I don't see the point of withholding this type of information. Huck> What is the point of teaching something that is arguably never appropriate to the social floor?...It appears to be this couple's regularly scheduled local tango class, ostensibly for the purpose of teaching people how to dance tango at milongas. <<<< Are you saying that any milonga that is uncrowded enough at a given moment for these things to be executed safely is, by your definition, no longer a "social floor"? Well, OK, whatever...again, you can sit out anything you don't like. As a leader, the milongas I describe above sure still FEEL like "social floors" to me when they are this uncrowded - everyone keeping an eye out for social distance, line of dance, etc., regardless of adornment choices. Perhaps it's useful here to dust off the "authenticity" flag and wave it a bit. In 2004, Deb and I were taking a private lesson in Buenos Aires with Miguel Angel "Pepino" Balbi, a well-known "true milonguero" who was starting to teach privately to visiting tangueros. There was a translator present to facilitate, because Miguel Angel spoke little to no English. He and Deb were hitting it off famously while dancing, and to express her joy in the moment, Deb started to do a high-kick adornment much like what was shown in the video. Miguel Angel said something which sounded expressive of his enjoyment to me - but what the (somewhat disapproving) translator chose to "translate" was "the milongueros don't like dancing that has lots of adornments". Well, Miguel Angel apparently knew enough English to stop the lesson right there, and tell us that that was not what he said, that he himself didn't like followers who always danced exactly alike, as if they were clones (he even said "like Dolly the sheep", if you remember the first cloned sheep that made the news) and that he very much enjoyed Deb's expressive adornments. So with that vote of confidence from old Buenos Aires, perhaps we can all agree that such "expressive movements" have their place in the social dance AT TIMES (like, whenever there is "room enough")? If that's true, then certainly women students can benefit from examples of elegant expression (such as the class video) as part of their learning process for the milonga. Then, whenever they DO have room at their local milongas, at least they'll be able to look and feel good as they express themselves (safely, with consideration, in an appropriate scale, as their leader may indicate space to execute it, etc. etc.) OK, let's say it ONE MORE TIME - be expressive, but don't take up more than YOUR SHARE of the floor with your expressiveness. All the best, Brian Dunn Dance of the Heart 775 Pleasant Street Boulder, CO 80302 USA 303-938-0716 www.danceoftheheart.com ?Building a Better World, One Tango at a Time? From patangos at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 19:28:37 2009 From: patangos at yahoo.com (Trini y Sean (PATangoS)) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <990366.15152.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Thanks, Brian, for pointing out that milongas have a flow and are not static things. --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Huck Kennedy wrote: > The man shouldn't lead anything allowing her to do > that? The leader in the video is doing nothing more than leading > simple tango. How is that "allowing" the kicks? What is the > leader supposed to do, put chains and shackles on her legs to prevent such kicking? What can he do, other than dump her right there on the floor and run away for dear life, hoping not too many people noticed him dancing with her? Someone always used to complain about this woman who would always do an unled front boleo after a back boleo. My answer was simple: quit leading back boleos, duh! If a man realizes that everytime he leads a turn, the woman will turn into an high-kicking ninja, then he shouldn't be leading turns if he wants a tanguera and not a ninja. A leader is expected to tone down his dance for a beginner. Same thing here. And if he doesn't want to alter his dance as such, then he shouldn't be dancing with her. > > Don't be so quick to negatively judge a > woman's ornaments when you have no idea the work a woman > has to do in order to execute an ornament well. > > Say what?!? Nice-looking ornaments don't just happen by accident. It's not easy embellishing gracefully almost instantly on someone else's improvised choreography. And to do it musically so that it makes sense. And make it look organic and flowing. And within the timing so that it doesn't interfere with the man's idea. And with awareness of the dance floor. There's a lot of embellishment exercises in addition to the host of exercises for balance, axis, grounding, walking, pivoting, turning, etc. And guess what? Working on the embellishment exercises is going to help with the basics! Women, just like men, will see things and try to imitate them. I'd rather that they get instruction in a class setting where a teacher can give them pointers on how to do it right. Much better than some guy telling her on the dance floor that she can kick this way or that way or tell the woman that she can rub her leg against him. Yes, that happens. Trini de Pittsburgh From sopelote at yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 19:30:00 2009 From: sopelote at yahoo.com (Mario) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] The right size Message-ID: <995864.48492.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm observing that there is an 'ideal' partner size for close embrace Tango. Namely that the woman must be to a good degree smaller than the male..this is my taste and I think that it's an aesthetic one..and a sexy one, too. The whole thing is about Male and Female and while I am a bit handicapped by not being a female, I am guessing that she is getting off on hanging on this big hunk of a man...check this video out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNxld4XshCY Now, I'm not saying that they are going to go to bed with each other but isn't it obvious that the size ratio and the strength and leadership of the male role is what is giving this feminine woman her thrills? Anyway, that's the way I see it. I know that there must be dozens of other size relationships that produce good, satisfying dancing but I'm only talking archetypes here..me Tarzan you Jane. From vytis at hotmail.com Wed Mar 25 11:27:00 2009 From: vytis at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Vince_Bagu=B9auskas?=) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:27:00 +1100 Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "There is way way too much kicking in the air occurring on the social dance floor these days, even in Buenos Aires, by tourists who have learned it here and there but not learned the social codes of the milonga, specifically - keep you feet on the floor and dance within your frame." Having just experienced Practica X and two other younger (under 40) milongas in BsAs in the last week so far, the many very excellent local teachers do big moves in the air. Seems that they are very capable to avoid kicking people. There are less tourists at these milongas than you think. Cheers _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area. Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fchannel%2Findex%2Easpx%3Ftrackingid%3D1046247&_t=773166080&_r=Hotmail_Endtext&_m=EXT From sl at stevelittler.com Fri Mar 27 00:02:36 2009 From: sl at stevelittler.com (Steve Littler) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:02:36 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] The right size In-Reply-To: <995864.48492.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <995864.48492.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49CC4FDC.3020900@stevelittler.com> I wouldn't agree. Though I've had very excellent dances with ladies shorter than her, my personal ideal-ideal is a lady whose cheek reaches mine or nearly so. I'm 6' 0.5" with 1.5" heels. If the lady is about 5'6" or 7" with 3" heels, is pretty awesome (especially if she is a good follower!) But if they are a good follower they can be smaller or taller and still render a most excellent dance with good posture, warm embrace, musicality and great connection. Steve Mario wrote: > I'm observing that there is an 'ideal' partner size for close embrace Tango. Namely that the woman must be to a good degree smaller than the male..this is my taste and I think that it's an aesthetic one..and a sexy > one, too. The whole thing is about Male and Female and while I am a bit > handicapped by not being a female, I am guessing that she is getting off > on hanging on this big hunk of a man...check this video out: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNxld4XshCY > Now, I'm not saying that they are going to go to bed with each other > but isn't it obvious that the size ratio and the strength and leadership > of the male role is what is giving this feminine woman her thrills? > Anyway, that's the way I see it. I know that there must be dozens of other > size relationships that produce good, satisfying dancing but I'm only talking archetypes here..me Tarzan you Jane. > > > From verena.faigle at arcor.de Sat Mar 28 09:44:46 2009 From: verena.faigle at arcor.de (verena.faigle@arcor.de) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:44:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking Message-ID: <27610138.1238247886934.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail19.ha2.local> For many years I?ve experienced men in Europe leading me on the dance floor in unnecessary kicks, telling me what to do when I stubbornly refused to do stuff like this on a dance floor. Right now I?m in Buenos Aires, where I haven?t been for ten years. And I can assure you, there are not just tourists who lead women in the wildest kicks on the dance floor... The good old style of Buenos Aires has been lost, as many old dancers agreed with, when I told them about my experiences. I?m not talking about the experimental places, I talk of the old salones bailables. There still are wonderful milongas, but you really have to ask your way around. Even in Buenos Aires there is way too much kicking and showing off wild steps.... You even can?t expect people to be moving around on the dance floor any more. I danced with an old milongueiro these days, who finally told the couple in front of us to move on or leave the dance floor. What people used to do in the center of the dance floor, they are now doing right on its ourtskirts too. Milongas in Buenos Aires still can be really great, but I?ve never been kicked and stepped on in Bs As as often as it happened to me these weeks. And not by tourists only. Verena Zerrei?en Sie die Netze der Phisher, Hacker und Betr?ger! Ihre Internet-Sicherheits-Seiten auf Arcor.de bieten alle Infos und Hilfsmittel, die Sie zum sicheren Surfen brauchen! Play it safe! http://www.arcor.de/footer-sicherheit/ From tobias_conradi at yahoo.de Sat Mar 28 11:31:45 2009 From: tobias_conradi at yahoo.de (Mr tobias conradi) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:31:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tango-L] Berlin tango. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <603989.92283.qm@web23808.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Can anyone send us a valid website (in english) about MILONGAS IN > BERLIN? there is also one without frames and with google maps integration http://berlin.tango.info/milongas also check homepage http://berlin.tango.info/ for special announcements and the monthly flyer which is distributed in most milongas (1000 flyers per month) and online as PDF http://x.tango.info/pdf/DEBER/?C=N;O=D The flyer for 2009-04 (April 2009) also contains information about the Tango Festival where Alberto Podesta, one of Di Sarlis singers is supposed to perform. Tobias -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin, Germany http://eng.tango.info http://festivals.tango.info http://reliquias.tango.info http://gmap.tango.info http://info.tango.info ----- Urspr?ngliche Mail ---- > Von: ?????? ?????????? > An: tango-l at mit.edu > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 13. Januar 2009, 04:51:44 Uhr > Betreff: [Tango-L] Berlin tango. > > Hi there. > > Can anyone send us a valid website (in english) about MILONGAS IN > BERLIN? > Thank you very much for your help. > > > > > Regards, > Pablito "El Greco" Mavromatis & Anastacia Damoulianou, > > Professional Dancers, Teachers & Scientists of Tango > www.pablitoyanastacia.gr > www.youtube.com/PablitoyAnastacia > Facebook: pablitoyanastacia > > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l From tangomaniac at cavtel.net Mon Mar 30 21:24:10 2009 From: tangomaniac at cavtel.net (Michael) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:24:10 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] The right size References: <995864.48492.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23A35C3539FA4B9F893C3FA8F8693582@michaelditkoff> Mario: I don't agree at all there is an "idea" partner size. You wrote "she is getting off on hanging on this big hunk of a man." When is hanging onto your partner a good thing? You're supposed to maintain your own balance and axis. As for the woman being smaller, take a close look at the man. He is hunched over her, compensating for her height. His head is dropping forward beyond his chest. How is that good? This doesn't look like a match made in heaven. Michael Returned today from the wonderful Atlanta Tango Festival Leaving next week for Buenos Aires for two weeks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: [Tango-L] The right size > I'm observing that there is an 'ideal' partner size for close embrace Tango. Namely that the woman must be to a good degree smaller than the male..this is my taste and I think that it's an aesthetic one..and a sexy one, too. I am guessing that she is getting off on hanging on this big hunk of a man...check this video out: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNxld4XshCY > Now, I'm not saying that they are going to go to bed with each other but isn't it obvious that the size ratio and the strength and leadership of the male role is what is giving this feminine woman her thrills? From amaurycdsf at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 10:48:13 2009 From: amaurycdsf at yahoo.com (Amaury de Siqueira) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Comment on the post "How do you decide who to dance with?" Message-ID: <618261.44392.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I have been for so long hitting the delete key for most tango postings that often times i forget the reason for such mechanical and thoughtless behavior. So then sometimes I tell myself... maybe I am too critical or simply wrong about the ideas posted in the list... In these moments of self-doubt I make the mistake to read a posting...invariably something like the ideas below... Then I immediately remember the reasons why I should and will continue to hit the delete key before ever opening any of the comments in this list. Not to leave without a more constructive commentary I will say this: Tango is a social activity which I construed to mean that we are operating in a social environment... for me to be social is not to have a critical list of prerequisites guiding who I dance or not with. To be social is to leave one's professional and emotional baggages out of the door and enter a space willing to try... willing to make mistakes and above all willing to live. Out of this thread and the list.... what a waste. Amaury > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, Noughts > wrote: > > > From: Noughts > > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How do you decide who to dance > with? > > To: "Steve Littler" > > > Cc: tango-l at mit.edu > > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:39 AM > > I always dance with my partner first and last - if > that is > > possible. > > If I have to excuse myself to freshen up at either end > of > > the night > > and miss either the first or last, c'est la vie. > > > > However like others, then I love to dance my > "warm > > up" tanda's with > > people I know who are forgiving and kind to me and > allow me > > to get the > > kinks out so to speak. > > > > Then, depending upon the music as to whom I dance with > - I > > rarely > > dance a milonga with anyone but an experienced dancer > and > > one that I > > have shared time with doing tango first. Milonga has > so > > little > > reaction time for the follower that you want to know > that > > the partner > > can keep up with change of pace, syncopation and quick > > changes of > > direction first. Vals I dance with either beginnners, > or > > advanced and > > Tango with all. Nuevo (if you want to label) with > more > > advanced, but > > not only. > > > > As for the order, whomever is available, but > sometimes, I > > like to > > watch too... sometimes people forget that this is also > a > > chance for > > men, women and kids if they are dancing or there, that > we > > all like to > > watch and see how everyone else is going. > > > > I don't care about age, weight, race or religion - > love > > to dance with > > people that connect, the reason we are there ;-) > > > > Damian > > > > > > PS - I'll dance with men too, if we run short but > hey, > > isn't that how > > we improve? :-) > > _______________________________________________ > > Tango-L mailing list > > Tango-L at mit.edu > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l From patangos at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 14:05:13 2009 From: patangos at yahoo.com (Trini y Sean (PATangoS)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tango-L] Comment on the post "How do you decide who to dance with?" In-Reply-To: <618261.44392.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <990766.35074.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Amaury de Siqueira wrote: > Tango is a social activity which I construed to mean that > we are operating in a social environment... for me to be > social is not to have a critical list of prerequisites > guiding who I dance or not with. To be social is to leave > one's professional and emotional baggages out of the > door and enter a space willing to try... willing to make > mistakes and above all willing to live. > Amaury I think you miscontrue the reasons why some of us choose partners the way we do. It's not about levels. It's about making the best of a social activity. I don't dance to Biagi with a beginner for a simple reason - I'd be to "wild" for him to handle. Same with many alternative pieces and other music. Chances are good that he'd only realize that he's a beginner and that he has a lot more to learn. But that's not what I would want him to think. I'd want him to feel good about his dance. Isn't that what a social activity is supposed to be about? When I first accepted a Pugliese tanda with one particular student, he afterwards recounted an episode about year or so earlier when he had asked me to dance Pugliese and I declined. He was a bit relieved when I had said no because he wasn't sure about dancing it with me. I'm glad I said no then, too, because it would not have been a good dance and I did not want to give him a bad dance. So when we finally danced Pugliese together, we both had a wonderful tanda and a memory that we'll both look fondly on for years to come. If you choose not to be too particular about your partners, then great. Whatever works. Sorry that you'll be leaving the list. Trini de Pittsburgh From sl at stevelittler.com Tue Mar 31 22:23:56 2009 From: sl at stevelittler.com (Steve Littler) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Tango-L] Way too much kicking In-Reply-To: <27610138.1238247886934.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail19.ha2.local> References: <27610138.1238247886934.JavaMail.ngmail@webmail19.ha2.local> Message-ID: <49D2D03C.2040202@stevelittler.com> Wow. Amazing to hear! In Oct 2007 a very nice YouTube playlist of Milongas in BA was created http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8myVFqoHi4&feature=PlayList&p=7FD82910EA34466F&index=0 (thanks to http://www.youtube.com/user/onetangospring ) Watching this they looked pretty well mannered to me and I enjoyed seeing them and the nice level of dancing there. I'd be curious if there are any videos showing what they look like now with "way too much kicking." Steve in Gainesville verena.faigle at arcor.de wrote: > Even in Buenos Aires there is way too much kicking and showing off > wild steps.... You even can?t expect people to be moving around on the > dance floor any more. I danced with an old milongueiro these days, who > finally told the couple in front of us to move on or leave the dance > floor. What people used to do in the center of the dance floor, they > are now doing right on its ourtskirts too. > > Milongas in Buenos Aires still can be really great, but I?ve never > been kicked and stepped on in Bs As as often as it happened to me > these weeks. And not by tourists only. > > >