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Thankyou for your contribution, Mike. <BR>
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It has prompted me to purchase the SAP Press book.<BR>
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I think it will be my first Workflow manual ever, actually...<BR>
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MGT<BR> <BR>
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<DIV id=SkyDrivePlaceholder></DIV>> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:53:28 +0000<BR>> Subject: RE: SAP Workflow Certification!<BR>> From: wug@workflowconnections.com<BR>> To: sap-wug@mit.edu<BR>> <BR>> > Maybe the WUGers should put together our own training course J<BR>> <BR>> I thought a number of WUGers had already put together a DIY training<BR>> course that also covers "what's new", and with a substantial charity<BR>> element to boot.<BR>> <BR>> I think it was called "Practical Workflow for SAP, second edition" or<BR>> something like that...<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Wed, February 29, 2012 1:36 pm, Keohan, Susan - 1140 - MITLL wrote:<BR>> > Hi Mike,<BR>> ><BR>> > I do agree with you that those of us who have spent a long time in the<BR>> > trenches would be well served by a 'What's New' course. I seem to recall<BR>> > that SAP offered a delta course on SAP Workflow - but that, of course, was<BR>> > about 8 years ago, and has disappeared.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > There have been many debates on the merits of certification in the job<BR>> > market, and no doubt, there will be continue to be more.<BR>> ><BR>> > For my part, I would just like to get the certification. Since I don't<BR>> > plan<BR>> > on seeking a new job, it is purely for my own satisfaction.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I think you're right, too, that people don't set out to become SAP<BR>> > Workflow<BR>> > experts.which is a shame, since as you said the many nuances of what WF<BR>> > can<BR>> > do are do seductive.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Maybe the WUGers should put together our own training course J<BR>> ><BR>> > Cheers,<BR>> > Sue<BR>> ><BR>> > ----<BR>> ><BR>> > Susan R. Keohan<BR>> ><BR>> > SAP Workflow Specialist<BR>> ><BR>> > Enterprise Applications<BR>> ><BR>> > Information Services Department<BR>> ><BR>> > MIT Lincoln Laboratory<BR>> ><BR>> > 244 Wood Street, LI-200<BR>> ><BR>> > Lexington, MA. 02420<BR>> ><BR>> > 781-981-3561<BR>> ><BR>> > keohan@LL.MIT.EDU<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > From: sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf<BR>> > Of<BR>> > Mike Gambier<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:59 AM<BR>> > To: sap-wug@mit.edu<BR>> > Subject: RE: SAP Workflow Certification!<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Hi Susan,<BR>> ><BR>> > Whilst I understand the modularity in the course overall, and how an 'old<BR>> > hand' might skill up on the new stuff by trying to cherry pick what's new,<BR>> > I<BR>> > feel it's a pity that SAP have not envisaged a 'refresher' version.<BR>> ><BR>> > Furthermore I've had a look at the SAP UK Training offerings and none of<BR>> > these courses are regulalrly scheduled. Or, if they are, they're only<BR>> > available as remote courses...which is a pity given that the best way to<BR>> > learn this stuff is through collaboration. Yet again I feel they're<BR>> > under-investing in this area.<BR>> ><BR>> > Personally speaking, I think they're missing a trick here. In my<BR>> > experience<BR>> > Workflow isn't something that poeple set out to do when they start their<BR>> > professional careers working with SAP software. Instead it's a skillset<BR>> > that<BR>> > people fall into out of necessity or opportunity, typically because a<BR>> > client/employer needs a Business Process to be modelled.<BR>> ><BR>> > Once budding Workflor developers have grasped its capabilities the<BR>> > learning<BR>> > curve feels a lot like a foreign language: the nuances of what it can do<BR>> > are<BR>> > seductive and pull you in the more you invest in experimenting and<BR>> > exploring. And with any language, if you don't keep it up you end up<BR>> > losing<BR>> > your edge to the point where your ability to communicate deteriorates.<BR>> ><BR>> > For those of us who have 'grown up' with Workflow days some habits die<BR>> > hard<BR>> > and some ways of thinking need to be adjusted from 'old' ways to 'new'<BR>> > whilst keeping true to the OO nature of what Workflow is all about. For<BR>> > those being introduced to Workflow for the first time there are 'old'<BR>> > tricks<BR>> > and tips that are still relevant and the heritage of Workflow is still<BR>> > worth<BR>> > explaining because BOR will still be knocking around when they're thrown<BR>> > into the job market.<BR>> ><BR>> > What I was hoping for was some sort of bridge course which would seek to<BR>> > explain the introduction of ABAP-OO principles, the ECC 6 additions (XML<BR>> > Container, Persistence Profiles, Local Workflows, Blocks, the retirement<BR>> > of<BR>> > LOOP WHILE, etc), the new Workflow Service jobs (Condition Evaluation,<BR>> > revised Deadline Monitoring using the CL_SWF_RUN_SWWWIDH_QUEUE ABAP<BR>> > Class),<BR>> > the new Event Linkage mechanism with Object Category built in. Thsoe sort<BR>> > of<BR>> > things...<BR>> ><BR>> > So much changed as part of that watershed upgrade it deserves a much<BR>> > better<BR>> > transition course than this...and sadly this course simply doesn't cut it<BR>> > I'm afraid.<BR>> ><BR>> > Mike GT<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > _____<BR>> ><BR>> > From: keohan@ll.mit.edu<BR>> > To: sap-wug@mit.edu<BR>> > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:00:14 -0500<BR>> > Subject: SAP Workflow Certification!<BR>> ><BR>> > Hi Folks,<BR>> ><BR>> > I thought you might like to know that SAP Workflow Certification is back<BR>> > on<BR>> > track!<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > https://training.sap.com/us/en/certification/c_bitwf_73-sap-certified-develo<BR>> > pment-associate-sap-business-workflow-with-sap-netweaver-70-g/<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > It's available in other geographies as well.<BR>> ><BR>> > See you there!<BR>> > Sue<BR>> ><BR>> > PS: and please, nobody post the questions here, OK?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----<BR>> ><BR>> > Susan R. Keohan<BR>> ><BR>> > SAP Workflow Specialist<BR>> ><BR>> > Enterprise Applications<BR>> ><BR>> > Information Services Department<BR>> ><BR>> > MIT Lincoln Laboratory<BR>> ><BR>> > 244 Wood Street, LI-200<BR>> ><BR>> > Lexington, MA. 02420<BR>> ><BR>> > 781-981-3561<BR>> ><BR>> > keohan@LL.MIT.EDU<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > _______________________________________________ SAP-WUG mailing list<BR>> > SAP-WUG@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sap-wug<BR>> ><BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > SAP-WUG mailing list<BR>> > SAP-WUG@mit.edu<BR>> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sap-wug<BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> SAP-WUG mailing list<BR>> SAP-WUG@mit.edu<BR>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sap-wug<BR></DIV> </div></body>
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