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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> BJ <shresthab@gmail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> SAP Workflow Users' Group <sap-wug@mit.edu><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, January 19, 2011 10:05:02 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Checking SAPWUG scope - BPM too?<BR></FONT><BR>
<DIV>I totally agree with Sue and vote "Yeah". It'll be a good start to adopt BPM as well in this group.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bijay Shrestha</DIV>
<DIV>SAPMANDO Services, LLC<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Keohan, Susan - 1140 - MITLL <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:keohan@ll.mit.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:keohan@ll.mit.edu">keohan@ll.mit.edu</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi Andy,</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sorry to be so late in replying, but speaking for myself, I would certainly welcome BPM topics on this forum. <BR>It’s just something that I haven’t had the chance to adopt yet </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">J</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Feel free to post – if nobody knows, you won’t get an answer, but it may also start the BPM juices flowing.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Of course, SCN could be the right place to go as well.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Sue</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</A> [mailto:<A href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A href="mailto:andy.m.catherall@kraftfoods.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:andy.m.catherall@kraftfoods.com">andy.m.catherall@kraftfoods.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:43 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Checking SAPWUG scope - BPM too?</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>Thanks Jocelyn</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>I can see a few courses in the UK – some of them being online tuition. I’ll see if I can successfully justify such training with the bean-counters.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>Based on your response and the lack of uptake by others, I take it that the general answer to my question is a ‘No’, then. SAPWUG is for pure SAP Workflow only; use the SDN forums for BPM. </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>Thanks</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>Andy</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</A> [mailto:<A href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dart, Jocelyn<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday 14 January 2011 00:42<BR><B>To:</B> SAP Workflow Users' Group<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Checking SAPWUG scope - BPM too?</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-AU>Hi Andy, </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-AU>There is technical training available try your local SAP education online catalogue</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-AU>e.g. for Australia we run </SPAN></P>
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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 10.5pt" class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt"><A href="http://www1.sap.com/australia/services/education/globaltabbedcourse.epx?context=%5b%5b%7cTZBPM%7c%7c%7c094%7cAU%7c%5d%5d%7c" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Business Process Management on SAP NetWeaver CE 7.2</A></SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt"></SPAN></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-AU>And </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-AU> </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-AU>There are forums on SDN where BPM is being discussed. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-AU>Just watch out that you are on a technical NetWeaver forum where we talk about BPM as a process execution environment and not in the business expert forums which talk about BPM as a methodology and management discipline. They are related… i.e. the methodology/mgt leads to process models which in turn should lead to executable processes. But of course not every business process requires a system implementation .</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-AU>Regards,</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-AU>Jocelyn </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</A> [mailto:<A href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A href="mailto:andy.m.catherall@kraftfoods.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:andy.m.catherall@kraftfoods.com">andy.m.catherall@kraftfoods.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 14 January 2011 4:18 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:sap-wug@mit.edu">sap-wug@mit.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Checking SAPWUG scope - BPM too?</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Hi guys</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>In June/July time, there was a flurry of interest in some of the details of SAP BPM, though the discussions were more around the differences between SAP WF and NW BPM. There was also a query regarding technical training, which drew a blank.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Since then, there has been little.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>Given the absence of technical training courses, I would have expected more questions along the lines of “How do I…?” as those of us playing with BPM start to understand the benefits & limitations by ‘playing’.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>So, as I’m not seeing these questions on SAPWUG, is there an alternative forum that they should be/are being raised to? </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>(… if this is the place, I may have the odd question pending </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB>J</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-GB> )</SPAN></P>
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