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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Hi Andy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Sorry to be so late in replying, but speaking for myself, I would certainly welcome BPM topics on this forum. <br>It’s just something that I haven’t had the chance to adopt yet </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Feel free to post – if nobody knows, you won’t get an answer, but it may also start the BPM juices flowing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Of course, SCN could be the right place to go as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><br>Sue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>----</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Susan R. Keohan</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>SAP Workflow Specialist</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Enterprise Applications</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Information Services Department</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>MIT Lincoln Laboratory</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>244 Wood Street, LI-200</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Lexington, MA. 02420</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>781-981-3561</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:keohan@LL.MIT.EDU">keohan@LL.MIT.EDU</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>andy.m.catherall@kraftfoods.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> sap-wug@mit.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Checking SAPWUG scope - BPM too?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks Jocelyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'>I can see a few courses in the UK – some of them being online tuition. I’ll see if I can successfully justify such training with the bean-counters.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'>Based on your response and the lack of uptake by others, I take it that the general answer to my question is a ‘No’, then. SAPWUG is for pure SAP Workflow only; use the SDN forums for BPM. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'>Andy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dart, Jocelyn<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday 14 January 2011 00:42<br><b>To:</b> SAP Workflow Users' Group<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Checking SAPWUG scope - BPM too?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Andy, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>There is technical training available try your local SAP education online catalogue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>e.g. for Australia we run <o:p></o:p></span></p><div align=center><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='background:#DAE1E5;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:10.5pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>TZBPM<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='background:#DAE1E5;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:10.5pt'><strong><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'><a href="http://www1.sap.com/australia/services/education/globaltabbedcourse.epx?context=%5b%5b%7cTZBPM%7c%7c%7c094%7cAU%7c%5d%5d%7c">Business Process Management on SAP NetWeaver CE 7.2</a></span></strong><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>And <o:p></o:p></span></p><div align=center><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='background:#E3E9EC;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:10.5pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>BPM140<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='background:#E3E9EC;padding:3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:10.5pt'><strong><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'><a href="http://www1.sap.com/australia/services/education/globaltabbedcourse.epx?context=%5b%5b%7cBPM140%7c%7c%7c084%7cAU%7c%5d%5d%7c">Model to Execution (SAP NetWeaver Business Process Management</a></span></strong><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>There are forums on SDN where BPM is being discussed. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Just watch out that you are on a technical NetWeaver forum where we talk about BPM as a process execution environment and not in the business expert forums which talk about BPM as a methodology and management discipline. They are related… i.e. the methodology/mgt leads to process models which in turn should lead to executable processes. But of course not every business process requires a system implementation .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Jocelyn <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>andy.m.catherall@kraftfoods.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 14 January 2011 4:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> sap-wug@mit.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Checking SAPWUG scope - BPM too?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Hi guys<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>In June/July time, there was a flurry of interest in some of the details of SAP BPM, though the discussions were more around the differences between SAP WF and NW BPM. There was also a query regarding technical training, which drew a blank.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Since then, there has been little.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Given the absence of technical training courses, I would have expected more questions along the lines of “How do I…?” as those of us playing with BPM start to understand the benefits & limitations by ‘playing’.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>So, as I’m not seeing these questions on SAPWUG, is there an alternative forum that they should be/are being raised to? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>(… if this is the place, I may have the odd question pending </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> )<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:HouschkaBold;color:black'>Thanks,</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:HouschkaBold;color:#0060AF'>Andy Catherall</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:HouschkaBold;color:black'>MDM Regional Workflow - 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