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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks Jocelyn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I can see a few courses in the
UK – some of them being online tuition. I’ll see if I can
successfully justify such training with the bean-counters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Based on your response and the
lack of uptake by others, I take it that the general answer to my question is a
‘No’, then. SAPWUG is for pure SAP Workflow only; use the SDN
forums for BPM. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Andy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu
[mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dart, Jocelyn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday 14 January 2011 00:42<br>
<b>To:</b> SAP Workflow Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Checking SAPWUG scope - BPM too?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Andy, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>There is technical
training available try your local SAP education online catalogue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>e.g. for Australia we
run <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:10.5pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>TZBPM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:10.5pt'><strong><span style='font-size:
8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'><a
href="http://www1.sap.com/australia/services/education/globaltabbedcourse.epx?context=%5b%5b%7cTZBPM%7c%7c%7c094%7cAU%7c%5d%5d%7c">Business
Process Management on SAP NetWeaver CE 7.2</a></span></strong><span
style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>And <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:10.5pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>BPM140<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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to Execution (SAP NetWeaver Business Process Management</a></span></strong><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>There are forums on
SDN where BPM is being discussed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Just watch out that
you are on a technical NetWeaver forum where we talk about BPM as a process
execution environment and not in the business expert forums which talk about
BPM as a methodology and management discipline. They are related…
i.e. the methodology/mgt leads to process models which in turn should lead to
executable processes. But of course not every business process requires a
system implementation .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'>Jocelyn <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu
[mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>andy.m.catherall@kraftfoods.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 14 January 2011 4:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> sap-wug@mit.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Checking SAPWUG scope - BPM too?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Hi
guys<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>In
June/July time, there was a flurry of interest in some of the details of SAP
BPM, though the discussions were more around the differences between SAP WF and
NW BPM. There was also a query regarding technical training, which drew a
blank.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Since
then, there has been little.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Given
the absence of technical training courses, I would have expected more questions
along the lines of “How do I…?” as those of us playing with
BPM start to understand the benefits & limitations by
‘playing’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>So,
as I’m not seeing these questions on SAPWUG, is there an alternative
forum that they should be/are being raised to? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>(…
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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