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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Sandy, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Always welcome new interest…. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Plenty of articles on <a href="http://sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/nw-bpm">http://sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/nw-bpm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As an example of what BPM can do that workflow can’t do
(or at least can’t do very well) is control processes across multiple SAP
and non-SAP systems. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But yes there is a sample PO approval scenario in the Simple
Sample apps on <a href="http://esworkplace.sap.com">http://esworkplace.sap.com</a><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And yes multiple approval levels, escalation mgt (by the way we
have an EXPIRY deadline in BPM – something I’ve always wanted in
workflow), etc. are all possible. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What you don’t have yet is a lot of business content –
but all of the Enterprise Services (and there are far more Enterprise Services
than BAPIs) can be used directly in your process WITHOUT creating any sort of
wrapper method – essentially ES are already organised by business object
anyway. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And that’s before we even get into linking Business
Process Modelling to Business Process Execution… there’s more
functionality to come here but already in 7.2 we can do true black box drafting
of Business Process Models and take them directly to Business Process Execution
– another thing that’s not so easy in workflow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jocelyn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu
[mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sandy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 3 June 2010 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> SAP Workflow Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: SAP workflows and BPM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi all.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>What a perfect time for me. I have been looking for this
topics couple days back.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As an additional to Will's question<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Based on my readings, BPM is more on the process level
integration and automation where business process owner can do some analysis
and governance in their business. This include similar features between two of
them such as ability to user to monitor the processes, who can do what, all the
transparent process, required consistency of proceses, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>In my opinion existing workflow capability with additional
features of UWL such as collaboration task, etc. is very powerfull tools of
business process re-engineering.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>So, what actually can and can't do by BPM as an example does
BPM suitable with PO release scenario where involve mutiple approval
level, escalation management, automatic PO release, etc. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Appreciate if someone can point me out any particular
article of comparison between BPM and Workflow<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Dart, Jocelyn <<a
href="mailto:jocelyn.dart@sap.com">jocelyn.dart@sap.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Mike,<br>
There's a licensing arrangement for Composition Environment Server and BPM
(which includes BRM).<br>
It also includes all the other software you need to run such as an Ajax version
of the Portal (if you don't have an existing EP), NWDI, ESR (if you don't have
a suitable release of PI), BI Java, ADS, NWDS, Adobe LiveCycle Designer, etc.<br>
<br>
The licensing for CE and BPM/BRM is currently largely based on CPU cores rather
than users, although yes usually user ids still need to be licensed depending
on how they are accessing SAP and there are a number of different scales for
that including handling of multiple users under generic ids.<br>
<br>
As always licensing is a complex area and depends a lot on how your
organization's agreement with SAP has been structured so best approach is to
ask the question and hand it over to the professionals. E.g. If you
already have a Java NW system it's possible that your arrangement might cover
you for CE but not for BPM so you should still ask for your SAP account exec to
check it out and confirm.<br>
<br>
Hope that helps.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<span style='color:#888888'>Jocelyn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On Behalf Of Mike Pokraka<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2010 7:37 PM<br>
To: SAP Workflow Users' Group<br>
Subject: RE: SAP workflows and BPM<br>
<br>
Is it chargeable?<br>
I was under the impression it's integrated. Unless of course you aren't<br>
currently running a Java NW system in which case there would be additional<br>
licensing and other costs to get a Java setup up and running. This could<br>
turn out quite hefty if all you're after is a single tool.<br>
<br>
Additional licenses for process participants who do not currently have<br>
acces to SAP will also be a factor, but that argument applies to WF as<br>
well.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, June 1, 2010 4:35 pm, Keohan, Susan - 1140 - MITLL wrote:<br>
> Good point, Mike, Andy.<br>
> Perhaps the chargeable component is the most telling thing :)<br>
><br>
> ---<br>
> Susan R. Keohan<br>
> SAP Workflow Specialist<br>
> MIT Lincoln Laboratory<br>
> 244 Wood Street<br>
> LI-200<br>
> Lexington, MA. 02420<br>
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><br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a>]
On Behalf<br>
> Of Catherall, Andy<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:30 AM<br>
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group<br>
> Subject: RE: SAP workflows and BPM<br>
><br>
> Further, SAP BPM is a chargable additional component, whereas workflow<br>
> comes 'free' with every instance of NW.<br>
><br>
> Andy<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a>]
On Behalf<br>
> Of Mike Pokraka<br>
> Sent: Tuesday 01 June 2010 16:23<br>
> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group<br>
> Subject: Re: SAP workflows and BPM<br>
><br>
> Some quick answers:<br>
><br>
> 1) Yes, another major differenc is that NWBPM is fully SOA based<br>
><br>
> NetWeaver BPM is also supposed to be a BPM modelling tool, I'll be kind<br>
> and just call it inadequate in this regard. Last I heard SAP were doing<br>
> some work in this area, but for now I'll stick to real BPM tools.<br>
><br>
> 2) I consider them complementary. NWBPM is much better suited to<br>
> system-independent / cross-system processes - including non-SAP systems.<br>
> At the same time that leaves a number of (large) gaps in the type of<br>
> integrated functionality that we sometimes need (e.g. integration with<br>
> an HR org structure). So whilst both can 'do the job', WF remains king<br>
> for deep single-system scenarios and NWBPM rules across broad<br>
> cross-system setups. So it really depends on your landscape.<br>
><br>
> 3) NWBPM is still fairly new, so WF is still very much the dominant<br>
> product and will be for some time.<br>
><br>
> 4) They are obviously pushing NWBPM quite hard, but it's a long way off<br>
> before it takes over. WF does useful things that go against the NWBPM<br>
> design, so I dont' see it going away any time too soon. Completely my<br>
> own opinion, but I would hope to see some integration/porting tools<br>
> coming along once NWBPM has matured a bit more and starts to gain<br>
> straction among mainstream customers.<br>
><br>
> 5) Integrated with NW, you can download a demo version from SDN.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Mike<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, June 1, 2010 3:31 pm, Will Weiss wrote:<br>
>> Hi experts,<br>
>><br>
>> I'm familiar with SAP business workflow, but I understand there is a<br>
>> product called NetWeaver BPM (as appears here<br>
>><br>
> <a
href="http://www.brsilver.com/2009/01/21/netweaver-bpm-and-saps-bpm-strategy/"
target="_blank">http://www.brsilver.com/2009/01/21/netweaver-bpm-and-saps-bpm-strategy/</a>)<br>
> .<br>
>> Here's the differences as I figured out so far (my main source was<br>
>> SAP's site on it,<br>
>> <a
href="http://www.sap.com/platform/netweaver/components/sapnetweaverbpm/index"
target="_blank">http://www.sap.com/platform/netweaver/components/sapnetweaverbpm/index</a><br>
>> .epx)<br>
>> 1) SAP business workflow is ABAP based, Netweaver BPM is Java Based<br>
>> 2) Model in SAP business workflow is done in SDD, in Netweaver BPM<br>
>> there's an eclipse plugin, and the model is based on BPMN.<br>
>><br>
>> The main questions that I have are:<br>
>> 1) Are there any other differences?<br>
>> 2) Which product is "better" (and what do you call
"better" :-) )<br>
>> 3) How common is Netweaver BPM compared to SAP business workflow?<br>
>> 4) Is SAP's future in Netweaver BPM or in SAP business workflow?<br>
>> 5) Which version of Netweaver includes NetWeaver BPM? Is it a basic<br>
>> component of Netweaver, or an additional product?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks and regards,<br>
>> Will<br>
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