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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Andy, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Your first scenario is fairly straightforward: the IDOC_PACKET
object is not instantiated yet, that is what the <???> usually indicates.
Most likely some kind of buffering issue since you say that it works fine when
you test it using a breakpoint. Quick test would be to add a requested start or
a WAIT UP TO statement somewhere before the part that fails.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The second scenario sounds correct to me that you should be receiving
a persistent reference. What I do find strange is that you are receiving a
run-time version when you test it. Does the ‘ synchronous’ setting
in SWUE make any difference there? I would not rule out a bug in SWUE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Florin’s suggestion of using the container interface could
help too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu
[mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Catherall, Andy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2010 10:37<br>
<b>To:</b> SAP Workflow Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Persistent vs Runtime handles - development standards?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Two examples so far:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>First - Child objects missing in WF & WF log</span></u><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Workflow is bombing out (in new ECC6 environment) because it cannot
determine the agents... because it cannot find the object-values against which
to interrogate the Responsibility Rule. In this case, this is the
SALES ORG attribute, on the SALES ORG object (BUS0006) which is a custom
attribute of [extended] IDOCALEAUD.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>The error message is SWF_EXP001 072 "Error in the evaluation
of expression '&IDOC_PACKET<???>.ZSALESORGANIZATION.SALESORGANIZA'
for it". The <???> has given me a little nugget of doubt as to
whether I have a dodgy character or something, but I can't find it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>In the log, this child object is clearly missing (IDOCALEAUD/IDOCPACKET
is instantiated). Yet, when I test the IDOCALEAUD object in SWO1, the SALES ORG
object does exist.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Stranger yet, if I set a break point in the virtual-attribute code,
and open the log, the code correctly finds the SALES ORG references, and then
still fails to show the object in the log.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>The variable type is SWC_OBJECT.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I am using SWC_CREATE_OBJECT to instantiate it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Second - Event CheckFM throwing exception</span></u><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>When creating a Document Information Record, the DRAW-FULLYCREATED
event is raised. A custom CheckFM is used to interrogate a value held the
object. The error appears to be that my code is expecting a run-time handle,
but is having a persistent handle passed to it. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Just as I understood this, however, I discovered that if I raise
the DRAW-FULLYCREATED event against the same object via SWUE, the
event-container now holds a run-time object reference, and the entire operation
works!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>So, it would appear that my code has to assess whether an object
reference in a container is a run-time or a persistent handle first,
and move it to the correct variable type accordingly. As both CV01N and
SWUE were run in my name as foreground transactions, I was a little surprised
that the reference types in the event-container differed, and this led me to
wondering what was the 'correct' way of handling object references...?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I am vaguely aware, from the "Considerations when
upgrading SAP Business Workflow..." document that the handling of
SWC_OBJECT and SWOTOBJID has become stricter, but I am not entirely clear what
'right' looks like.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Andy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike
Pokraka<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday 06 February 2010 09:11<br>
<b>To:</b> 'SAP Workflow Users' Group'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Persistent vs Runtime handles - development standards?</span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Andy, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I don’t believe such a document exists, but could you
provide an example of such surprises? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Basic idea is that everything is persistent when it goes outside
the current context. This means binding, container storage. Persistent is
converted to runtime for working with an object and back to persistent for
binding/storage. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hope that helps, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu
[mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Catherall, Andy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 February 2010 15:33<br>
<b>To:</b> SAP Workflow Users' Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> BOR: Persistent vs Runtime handles - development standards?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Hi
all</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>As
I progress through my ECC6 upgrade, I have now started to trip over a few
locations where the runtime/persistent handles are not as rigorous as they
might be. This is having some entertaining effects!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Can
anyone point me towards some development standards documents that might exist
to make sure I use the correct handle type at the correct time?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:HouschkaBold;
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Analyst - SAP Workflow, IXOS & DMS</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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