<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi Paul,</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It is indeed a measurable achievement
but is something, like a degree, that might have been obtained some time
in the past and perhaps out-of-date. I have been certified in a couple
of SAP componenets, but long ago and would not like to use these as justification
of competence now. In any case I think that the number of bona fide
worklfow experts available without certification as opposed to those so
equiped mean that the market must be realistic and flexible, and I suspect
this may contribute to the thinking of SAP in dropping the certification.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Karl Nietz<br>
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<br><tt><font size=2>Nee.<br>
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All things being equal, I would hire a SAP-certified workflow consultant<br>
first.<br>
It's a tangible, 'objective' measure, whereas 'workflow experience' is<br>
often in the eye of the beholder (or rather the job candidate).<br>
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Sure, if someone already has a solid CV and references, then it wouldn't<br>
make that much difference.<br>
But for a more junior position - or even someone trying to break into<br>
workflow - a certificate would be very valuable indeed.<br>
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Bring it back, I say.<br>
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cheers<br>
PaulB<br>
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Hi Sue,<br>
Thanks for you reply. I do agree your thoughts but In some places<br>
especially in Middle east, clients are asking for certified consultants<br>
with right experience.<br>
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Ibrahim<br>
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Keohan, Susan <keohan@ll.mit.edu>
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Hi Ikhan,<br>
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<br>
I think it is safe to say that SAP Workflow Certification is not
coming<br>
back. SAP is still offering the basic Workflow Courses, and
there has<br>
been a lot of debate over what Certification really means.
For example,<br>
is that your only criteria for whether you hire a consultant? What
does<br>
Certification *really* mean? Would you prefer to hire someone
who has<br>
4-5 projects under their belt, or someone whose resume is light,
but does<br>
have Certifications?<br>
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At any rate, there is still some quality education being offered
out<br>
there and while we (I?) try keep this forum clear of marketing pitches,
I<br>
think that this offering, created in part by our own Ginger Gatling,
may<br>
be useful.<br>
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And also, since I am bending the rules, let’s not forget the new
version<br>
of Practical Workflow for SAP, which is available via SAP-Press.<br>
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If I should hear more on the front of Workflow Certification, I
will<br>
certainly pass that information on to this group.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Sue<br>
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Hi Friends,<br>
Any idea whether SAP Workflow Certification is coming back?
Some months<br>
before one of our SAP WUG'ers did a survey on this and published
the<br>
results.<br>
After that no updates on that. If any one has any information please<br>
share it.<br>
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