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yesterday and wf’s with waits stopped processing again until noticed this
morning……<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Thinking of moving the job to an outside
scheduler (UC4) that will monitor the job and notify someone if it runs longer
than 60 minutes – does anyone do anything like this and run workflow jobs
externally vs. SWU3? Also saw some older notes in the WUG that wf-batch should
not be the owner of the jobs – is that still an issue? Due to the extended
authorizations in the wf-batch user ID, assumed that was the better way to go.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Gambier<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 15, 2008
5:34 AM<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Performance with 4.6C
and ECC6</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Thanks Melissa,<br>
<br>
We had spotted that already anyway and had already modified the new
Deadline Monitor job to run not only in parallel but also process a
maximum number of deadlines per run according to our own config setting should
we wish.<br>
<br>
We don't intend to run BPM either so we also avoided running the apparently
duplicate Deadline job in SWU3 which actually kicks off RSWFSLSDLEX.<br>
<br>
MGT<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Subject: RE: Performance with 4.6C and ECC6<br>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:21:07 -0400<br>
From: Melissa.Yates@energyeast.com<br>
To: sap-wug@mit.edu<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>We just upgraded on Labor Day from 4.72
to ECC 6. We did have an issue with deadline monitoring jobs……the swwdhex
job that previously ran consistently in a minute or less started running
anywhere from 6 – 10 hours after the upgrade. Though it was scheduled
every five minutes, each subsequent job would complete due to an active job running.
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">OSS</st1:place></st1:City> note
1092157 which indicates a design flaw in ECC 6.0 that actually processes the
deadlines sequentially. Caused performance issues and something to keep
in mind if you use a lot of wait steps and deadline monitoring……….</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Gambier<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 12, 2008
5:23 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">SAP Workflow</st1:PersonName> Users' Group</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Performance with 4.6C
and ECC6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Rick,<br>
<br>
Similar picture here as it happens. No Java stack and no intention of using
ABAP Classes or XML containers yet. But obviously the Workflow engine has been
re-written with these things in mind so yes it's proving hard to comapre in
terms of runtime like-for-like.<br>
<br>
One thing is absolutely clear though: ECC 6 is a total memory hog by
comparison. SAP have advised us to add on 50% more workspace needed to
keep the same traffic flowing just to be sure and they don't seem to be far off
the mark.<br>
<br>
We're running full scale volume tests with a Pre-Production environment
starting this weekend (rehersal for the real upgrade) so I'll have more data to
hand next week. I'm keeping my eye on some of our heavy workflow steps to see
how long they take in the new environment. The only drawback is that we won't
have exactly the same hardware to play with (4 app servers instead of 16) but
at least I should be able to compare the same Workflow instances and spot any
odd timing differences between 4.6c and ECC 6.<br>
<br>
I have taken the precaution to change all of our Workflow definitions to
continue to use the 'old' BOR Object-based container (Structure Persistence)
for now. You may want to do the same as the default setting
(Compatibility) will seek to switch to the new XML container when the
release version of the Workflow Header is later than 4.6c. But that's up to you
of course :)<br>
<br>
I've not heard the '30% slower' figure by the way. My gut feel is that
things are slightly slower all round, particularly deadlines, but I've not
noticed that much of a delay, yet.<br>
<br>
Mike GT<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Subject: RE: Performance with 4.6C and ECC6<br>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:54:47 -0500<br>
From: Rick.Sample@graybar.com<br>
To: sap-wug@mit.edu<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecec843384213-12092008><font size=2 color=blue
face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";
color:blue'>Mike,</span></font></span><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecec843384213-12092008><font size=2 color=blue
face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";
color:blue'>I am sure Management / BASIS will take the standard recommendations
for hardware. So, backend stuff is not concerned for this request. </span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";color:blue'> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecec843384213-12092008><font size=2 color=blue
face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";
color:blue'>So, more on the App process. </span></font></span><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecec843384213-12092008><font size=2 color=blue
face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";
color:blue'>Wf starts. Takes X time to process task XYZ, ...</span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecec843384213-12092008><font size=2 color=blue
face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";
color:blue'>We won't have the Jave stack installed from my understanding, so
that is out of the picture. </span></font></span><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecec843384213-12092008><font size=2 color=blue
face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";
color:blue'>The only thing that comes to mind on performance is the new XML
changes. But all our apps will continue to use the tables vs. XML. </span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecec843384213-12092008><font size=2 color=blue
face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";
color:blue'>I hear that ECC6 is aprox 30% slower that 4.6C. Don't know how
that number keeps coming up, but like comparing apples to oranges me thinks. </span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecec843384213-12092008><font size=2 color=blue
face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";
color:blue'>Thanks,</span></font></span><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Gambier<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 11, 2008
3:34 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">SAP Workflow</st1:PersonName> Users' Group</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Performance with 4.6C
and ECC6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Rick,<br>
<br>
We're doing the same at the moment.<br>
<br>
Are you focusing on the Basis side of things (e.g. like 'buffer gets' on the
db, database locks) or the Application/Business Process area (e.g. event
delivery, deadlines etc) or both?<br>
<br>
Mike GT<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Subject: Performance with 4.6C and ECC6<br>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:36:21 -0500<br>
From: Rick.Sample@graybar.com<br>
To: sap-wug@mit.edu<br>
CC: rick.sample@graybar.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ececec611103219-11092008><font size=2
color=blue face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";color:blue'>We are preparing to upgrade
4.6c to ECC6. I have been tasked to do a "performance compare"
between the two systems for WF relegated items.</span></font></span><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=ececec611103219-11092008><font size=2
color=blue face="Arial monospaced for SAP"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial monospaced for SAP";color:blue'>Anyone have any tools,
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