<div>G'day Sue,</div>
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<div>It is indeed. OSS some times seems to choke a bit, and it may well turn up again tomorrow. </div>
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<div>See below for the limited detail it offers.</div>
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<div>Also heard an interesting rumour on the grapevine yesterday. In the next version of SRM ( 6.0 ) <span>they are getting rid of n-step BAdI entirely with </span><span>no upgrade path. Apparently it will all be configurable. Sounds too good to be true and I bet it is.
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<div>Have fun,</div>
<div>Mark</div>
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<p style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #cc9933; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Symptom</p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">Only after changes are made to the price and the quantity does the requester receive a work item to accept the changes.</p>
<p style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #cc9933; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Other terms</p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">WS14500015 LIA, line item based, RESTARTAPPROVALSTEP, TS14508045</p>
<p style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #cc9933; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Reason and Prerequisites</p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">The line item-based approval workflow is used. The requester is checked only if an approver has changed the value of the shopping cart. </p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">For changes that do not affect the value, a work item is not created for the requester. A workflow restart is not requested as described in Note 777133, but the requester in the current workflow is asked to accept.
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<p style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #cc9933; FONT-FAMILY: verdana">Solution</p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">Implement the BBP_WFL_EMPL_WI_BADI BAdI.</p>
<ul style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; DIRECTION: ltr" type="disc">
<li style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">The BAdI is not provided in the IMG, but if it is activated it is successfully called.
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<p style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> Implement the BAdI using Transactions SE18, SE19. </p>
<ul style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; DIRECTION: ltr" type="disc">
<li style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma">In the CHECK_REQUESTER_WI method you can set the following parameters:
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<p style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> SEND_TO_REQUESTER creates work item for requester </p>
<p style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN: 0in; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma"> OVERWRITE_SYST_BEHAVIOUR activates change to the standard behavior</p><br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/20/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Susan R. Keohan</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:keohan@ll.mit.edu" target="_blank">keohan@ll.mit.edu</a>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Mark, Miguel,<br><br>Can you confirm that the OSS note you refer to here is 838575 ? I am<br>searching OSS for docu on the BADI BBP_WFL_EMPL_WI_BADI and can't find
<br>anything. This note appears to have gone into hiding.<br><br>On the other hand, if anyone even has the German docu for this BADI, can<br>you please send it along ? My German is good enough that I can usually<br>decipher the big words.
<br><br>Thanks!<br>Sue<br><br>Mark Pyc wrote:<br>> Thanks again Miguel.<br>><br>> That's amazing! That note answers my question from a month ago exactly<br>> and I was stunned that I hadn't found it, but it doesn't like to be
<br>> found. I just tried searching OSS for both "WS14500015" and<br>> "BBP_WFL_EMPL_WI_BADI" and in neither case is it returned despite the<br>> fact that both terms appear in the note. I wonder how often that happens
<br>> and useful notes choose not to be found. Strange.<br>><br>> Have fun,<br>> Mark<br>><br>><br>> On 7/20/06, *Adao-Cruz, Miguel* <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com" target="_blank">
miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com </a><br>> <mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com" target="_blank">miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com</a>>> wrote:
<br>><br>> Hi,<br>><br>> I once used this BADI. See OSS note 838575.<br>><br>> Code:<br>> method IF_EX_BBP_WFL_EMPL_WI_BADI~CHECK_REQUESTER_WI.<br>><br>> send_to_requester = 'X'.
<br>><br>> overwrite_syst_behaviour = ' '.<br>><br>> endmethod<br>><br>> Not sure that's really necessary. <br>><br>> Cheers<br>><br>><br>> ___________________________________________________________________________
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sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</a>> on<br>> behalf of Mark Pyc<br>> Sent: Wed 19/07/2006 15:01 <br>> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group<br>> Subject: Re: SRM 4.0 (EBP 5.0) - Line Item SC approval,Completion
<br>> required<br>> for new Line<br>><br>><br>> Thanks Miguel, although not what I wanted to hear really. It is <br>> possible to<br>> add incomplete items to a cart in process, so I guess I'll have to
<br>> prevent<br>> it via BBP_DOC_CHECK_BADI.<br>><br>> On a side note has anyone made use of the BAdI BBP_WFL_EMPL_WI_BADI? It <br>> doesn't come with any doco and I can't find a reference to it
<br>> anywhere (WUG,<br>> SDN, OSS, Google). It does however seem to answer my original<br>> question about<br>> how to send all changes back to the Requestor. <br>><br>> Have fun,<br>
> Mark<br>><br>><br>> On 7/19/06, Adao-Cruz, Miguel <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com" target="_blank">miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com
</a><br>> <mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com" target="_blank"> miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> Hi All,
<br>><br>> Mark, OSS is right in saying it shouldn't, at least according to<br>> their<br>> design. Business/process side it could be disputed but SAP cannot <br>> provide<br>> scenarios for all options (it is already quite complicated
<br>> this way<br>> ;-).<br>> In my last two implementations I used the shopping cart Line Item <br>> approval<br>> workflow. You could try to make it work this way but I can
<br>> already<br>> garantee<br>> you weeks of pain!<br>> Because:<br>> - The line item workflow is hard coded in the SAP standard code. <br>> - Sometimes it is directly triggered by a WAPI function.
<br>> -->That's why it is not possible to create a Z copy of this<br>> template<br>> and<br>> used it (-->deadlines cannot be created the standard way) <br>> - I don't have a system to check, but I dont' think that while in
<br>> approval<br>> process the system will allow you to add incomplete items --><br>> you<br>> would need <br>> to at least use BADI for the check function<br>> - I don't think you can start a completion workflow for a
<br>> shopping<br>> cart in<br>> approval process because of the internal status management (I <br>> don't<br>> even<br>> think about trying to change this!)<br>> - The approval preview pane would be a mess with a shopping cart
<br>> going for<br>> completion, then approval, then completion again, then approval <br>> again!!<br>> - Your time from shopping cart creation to PO output could become<br>> weeks.
<br>> - ....<br>><br>> I heard that others implementations (not done by me) in some <br>> clients, to<br>> comply with EU directives about tenders, run the completion<br>
> workflow<br>> (again?) after the approval. But, I never investigated it and<br>> anyway <br>> that's<br>> maybe not good for your client neither.<br>><br>> I would simply recommend:
<br>> - Approver to reject/delete shopping cart with a note to the<br>> creator <br>> explaining why and the creator to recreate a new shopping<br>> cart with<br>> the<br>> additional incomplete line(s) (copying from the initial shopping
<br>> cart).<br>> - The approver to create another shopping cart with the<br>> additional<br>> incomplete items (or ask the creator to create it) while the<br>> first<br>> shopping
<br>> cart follows its approval process. <br>><br>> Hope it will help.<br>><br>> Cheers<br>><br>><br>> ___________________________________________________________________________
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<br>> To: SAP Workflow Users' Group <br>> Subject: SRM 4.0 (EBP 5.0) - Line Item SC approval,Completion<br>> required for<br>> new Line<br>><br>><br>> G'day all,
<br>><br>> Firstly thanks Miguel for your response. I've been distracted <br>> for a<br>> while<br>> and have since been testing alternative concepts. I agree<br>> with you
<br>> that<br>> using standard completion (well modified std as you've described) <br>> does seem<br>> the best option and I've gone through some redesign with the<br>> business to
<br>> make this a possible solution.<br>><br>> However now comes the next hurdle.... <br>><br>> Can anyone confirm if they are using the Completion Workflow<br>> WS14000044 (or
<br>> modified copy) and the Line Item approval Workflow WS14500015?<br>> (Miguel I<br>> wasn't sure if from the answer below you were using Line Item or<br>> just the<br>> BAdI cart level).
<br>><br>> When an incomplete item is added to the cart during line item <br>> approval does<br>> the Completion WF get invoked again?<br>><br>> I believe it should. OSS are telling me it shouldn't.
<br>><br>> Thanks,<br>> Mark <br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On 6/6/06, Adao-Cruz, Miguel < <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com" target="_blank">
miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com</a><br>> <mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com" target="_blank"> miguel.adao-cruz@capgemini.com</a>>> wrote:
<br>><br>> Hi Mark,<br>><br>> My solution works the way you describe it (all users with<br>> level 2).<br>> It is <br>> standard.<br>
> Depending on BBP_WFL_SECURITY value the main workflow is<br>> restarted<br>> or not (I<br>> think it as well check starts conditions) if shopping cart <br>> "changed",
<br>> "Changed" here means, changes according to SRM (I<br>> believe)<br>> hard-coded<br>> criterias which are more or less related to line item <br>
> values.<br>> Main<br>> workflow<br>> restarted means re-processing previously processed<br>> approval<br>> levels.<br>> It<br>> doesn't directly influence if shopping cart is sent to
<br>> requester and<br>> which<br>> type of changes should send it to requestor to accept<br>> changes.<br>> If you are planning to use first approval level for
<br>> completion it<br>> means that<br>> the price and/or the vendor will be missing (standard<br>> understanding<br>> of SRM<br>> for incomplete shopping carts). Adding the price will send
<br>> the SC to<br>> the<br>> requester. The problem will be that adding a vendor<br>> does not<br>> send SC<br>> to<br>> requester (pay attention to the distention between
<br>> "vendor"<br>> and<br>> "preferred<br>> vendor", usually approvers cannot add "vendors").<br>> I would have a look at shopping cart change documents
<br>> settings:<br>> maybe it<br>> influences the way SRM sees a shopping cart being<br>> changed.<br>> You could maybe increase the value of the line item by one
<br>> cent if<br>> the<br>> vendor is changed/added, via a BADI and then remove it. (I<br>> already<br>> regret<br>> what I have just writen!!)
<br>> You could maybe use the BADI for BBP_WFL_SECURITY, and<br>> change<br>> it's<br>> value<br>> depending on the user role and approval index.<br>> etc...
<br>> But before going this way you could maybe explain what<br>> are<br>> your<br>> client<br>> requirements that make the standard completion<br>> workflow not
<br>> usable.<br>><br>> Cheers.<br>><br>><br>><br>> ___________________________________________________________________________<br>><br>> Miguel Adao-Cruz | Capgemini | London
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<br>> To: WUG <br>> Subject: SRM 4.0 (EBP 5.0) - Logic of LIA BADI so<br>> requestor<br>> approves<br>><br>> allchanges<br>><br>><br>> G'day all,
<br>><br>> More questions from me on the line-item approval of<br>> Shopping<br>> carts<br>> I'm<br>> afraid.<br>><br>> Within my required solution the first level approvers
<br>> needs<br>> the<br>> ability to<br>> change carts but the requester should be given the<br>> opportunity to<br>> review<br>> these changes.
<br>><br>> Access to change the cart is controlled via<br>> Personalisation<br>> Level<br>> BBP_WFL_SECURITY. I figured that a value of 2 would be<br>> appropriate
<br>> as this<br>> is described as "Low - Workflow is always restarted when<br>> changes are<br>> made".<br>> However with this setting if the Approver actually
<br>> "Accepts/Approves" a line<br>> and changes it, the only time the requester is<br>> informed is if<br>> the<br>> value of<br>> the item changes. At this point the requester receives a
<br>> Workitem<br>> based on<br>> TS14508045 (from within WS14500013) to accept.<br>><br>> No other changes produce this behaviour. Rather the<br>> changes
<br>> are<br>> simply made<br>> and the cart approval continues. Changes to Free Text<br>> description<br>> (in the<br>> case of Describe Requirement items),
Prod.Cat, UoM,<br>> Delivery<br>> Date,<br>> Delivery<br>> Address, Price & Qty (such that the value of the item<br>> doesn't<br>><br>> change) or
<br>> even changing the name of the cart do not seemed to be<br>> considered<br>> 'significant' as the requester is not informed. Only<br>> if the<br>> value of
<br>> the<br>> item changes.<br>><br>> What I'd like is for any and all of these changes to<br>> result<br>> in the<br>> Cart<br>> being sent back to the requester. It seems very
<br>> strange that<br>> the<br>> value of<br>> the item is the only important change. The requester<br>> doesn't<br>> necessarily<br>> care if the value changes as long as it's approved, but a
<br>> change to<br>> the text<br>> of a free text item has to be considered crucial!?!<br>><br>> As an alternate concept I thought about simply using<br>> the BAdI
<br>> to set<br>> the<br>> requester as an approver for any changed items, but they<br>> would then<br>> need to<br>> reject any items they weren't happy with and then accept
<br>> their own<br>> rejections (not very nice at all). Moving in this<br>> direction I<br>> set<br>> the<br>> Approvers value for BBP_WFL_SECURITY to 4 (which is
<br>> described<br>> as<br>> "High -<br>> workflow is never restarted when changes are made" but<br>> this<br>> seemed<br>> to be no<br>
> different to a value of 2. Changes that change the<br>> line item<br>> value<br>> are sent<br>> back for Requester review. This is messy as it means<br>
> that my<br>> concept<br>> of<br>> Requester as Approver will not be consistent as value<br>> changes<br>> will<br>> result in<br>> the TS14508045 Workitems.
<br>><br>><br>> Is there a way to force any and all changes back to the<br>> Requester<br>> for<br>> review?<br>><br>> I have read note 777133 about handling restarts, but
<br>> as best<br>> I can<br>> tell this<br>> restarts the approvals, but does not invoke a Requester<br>> review.<br>><br>> In reading the archives I saw a posting by Miguel
<br>> Adao-Cruz<br>> that<br>> included<br>> the statement:<br>> > I am not using "restart based on history tables" as my<br>> client
<br>> wants<br>> rejections to be approved by requestors.<br>><br>> It sounds like you were doing what I'm hoping for<br>> Miguel. Can<br>> you<br>> provide
<br>> any insight? I'm hoping to use the first level of<br>> approval as<br>> a<br>> means of<br>> line-item based completion (thanks for your previous
<br>> responses).<br>><br>> I hope someone can help.<br>><br>> Have fun,<br>> Mark<br>><br>> _______________________________________________
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