<BODY><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank you for your replies.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There are no problems in the backend ERP system, I’m able to derive the required manager.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The issue is in the SRM 5.0 system in that the records in the hrp1001 table do not make it possible to identify the correct manager from the logon ids.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In SRM 5.0, the multiple logon ids (<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>) are linked to a ‘single’ CP and BP. The CP is then assigned to multiple S records. There don’t appear to be any other relationship records in the HRP1001 table that the id to the desired/required S record as is done in the originating ERP system.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ve debugged it but I can’t see what I’m missing as I don’t see how it can work. At this point no can or is willing to explain.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</st1:PersonName>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave Weston<BR><B>Sent:</B> May 16, 2006 6:07 AM<BR><B>To:</B> SAP Workflow Users' Group<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: SRM 5.0 and my Concurrent Employment Issues</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a 4.7 Enterprise R/3 system last year, I worked at a client with concurrent employment. I found problems with the 157 and 168 rules. The function SWX_GET_MANAGER didn't read the HRP1001 table correctly. So I had to create my own version of this FM. Think I posted the answer last year to the group.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I put in an <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">OSS</st1:place></st1:City> message but all SAP said was that they would investigate for a future release as I had my work around Z function in a rule.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</st1:PersonName>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Adao-Cruz, Miguel<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:15 AM<BR><B>To:</B> SAP Workflow Users' Group<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: SRM 5.0 and my Concurrent Employment Issues</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Try debugging function SWX_GET_MANAGER and see which links in HRP1001 it is following to find the manager.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a past project, debugging this function, I realised that the workflow was not finding the correct manager (sometimes a manager miles from the user branch!) because of inconsistencies in the HR tables.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">sap-wug-bounces@mit.edu</st1:PersonName> on behalf of jerry martinek<BR><B>Sent:</B> Mon 15/05/2006 18:23<BR><B>To:</B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">sap-wug@mit.edu</st1:PersonName><BR><B>Subject:</B> SRM 5.0 and my Concurrent Employment Issues</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">I need some help understanding how the current concurrent employment (CE) implemented in SRM is supposed to work or help me explaining to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">OSS</st1:place></st1:City> that the CE SRM implementation is not correct for workflow approvals.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">We’re a NW2004S / SRM5.0 ramp up site. We’re also unfortunately implementing concurrent employment which seems to be the source of a lot of my challenges. <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">In a CE scenario, a single person can concurrently hold multiple employment contracts. For each contract they will have a distinct P, S and US (logon id).<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">This means that they will have multiple Ps, one per contract. Each P will be assigned to a single S. Each P will also have one distinct US (PA0105-0001). The different Ps will be grouped by a person id (CP).<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Example:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">In the ERP HRP1001 table, P1 and P2 are linked/joined by a CP1. US1 is linked to P1 and US2 is linked to P2. P1 is assigned to S1 and P2 is assigned to S2. S1 is linked to O1 and S2 is linked to O2.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">The same scenario replicated into the SRM HRP1001 table, a new CP1 is created from P1. P2 is not replicated into SRM. All references to P2 are replaced by CP1. Only one BP is created for the CP1. CP1 is linked to both S1 and S2. US1 and US2 are both linked to CP1. S1 is linked to O1 and S2 is linked to O2.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">In PPOSA_BBP, the display shows both ids assigned to each position, and the same CP and BP are also assigned to the different positions.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">When I logon in with any of the two USs in ERP, I get the correct superior of results. When I logon in with any of the two USs in SRM, I always get the same result which is not correct.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">In the current SRM CE implementation, I don’t see how you can figure out the correct position assignment in order to figure out your correct approver.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">There are other issues as well but this one is my most pressing one. Another example of an issue is in the area of authorizations. <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">What am I missing? <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">OSS</st1:place></st1:City> keeps telling me that there are no problems.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Jerry Martinek<o:p></o:p></P></BODY>