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Can we have both - sending the comments to a mailing list, as well as being posted on the wiki. That way we can try out which one we like best.<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I'll be happy to read the emails when the mailing list is set up.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Julius<br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>Please Reply to My Permanent Address: <a href="mailto:julius@younglucks.com">julius@younglucks.com</a></div><div><a href="http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks">http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks</a></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span></span></span> </div><br><div><div>On Jan 15, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Bill F wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Here's an alternative that uses a technique Jason brought to my attention:<br><br><a href="http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Feedback">http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Feedback</a><br><br>I need to get the correct mailing list name and it's done. We can clean it up later but it will work as soon as I get the mailing list set up. <br><br>As for where it is needs to be displayed, please let me know exactly where you want me to put it. <br><br>Thanks.<br><br>B.<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 15, 2008 2:01 PM, Julius B. Lucks <<a href="mailto:julius@younglucks.com"> julius@younglucks.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""> Sure - let's try it.<div><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><div> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>Please Reply to My Permanent Address: <a href="mailto:julius@younglucks.com" target="_blank">julius@younglucks.com</a> </div><div><a href="http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks" target="_blank">http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks</a></div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- </div><div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><br></span></span></span></span></span> </div><br></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div><div>On Jan 15, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Bill F wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"> I put a link on the page already But... I think it would be better to list the comments on the same page in this case. <br><br>I can change the code so that the comment goes onto the page itself rather than onto the talk page. <br><br>Tell me if that works. If so, I can have it turned on in a few minutes.<br><br>B.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 15, 2008 1:51 PM, Julius B. Lucks <<a href="mailto:julius@younglucks.com" target="_blank"> julius@younglucks.com </a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div> Wow,<div><br></div><div>That is excellent! One thing - can we have a link to see all the comments from <a href="http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Feedback" target="_blank">http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Feedback </a> - right now there is only leave a comment, but you would not be able to see all the comments if you don't leave one. </div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>J</div></font><div><div><br><div> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>Please Reply to My Permanent Address: <a href="mailto:julius@younglucks.com" target="_blank">julius@younglucks.com</a> </div><div><a href="http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks" target="_blank">http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks</a></div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- </div><div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><br></span></span></span></span></span> </div><br></div><div><div></div><div><div><div>On Jan 15, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Bill F wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"> Take a look at this page: <br><br><a href="http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Feedback" target="_blank">http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Feedback</a><br> <br>I can add this to the toolbox when it does the right thing and looks right. <br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 15, 2008 1:42 PM, Bill F <<a href="mailto:bill.altmail@gmail.com" target="_blank">bill.altmail@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> We can just create a page that has the tag in it and put a reference to the page in the toolbox for "Feedback". <br><br>Anyone who wants to can put the Talk page in your Watchlist and receive email notifications when they are created. <br><br>Again, it's "<comments /> and not <comment />.<br><br>The syntax looks odd but it's XHTML compliant: the training " />" saves you from creating an open and closing tag like this: <comments></comments>. <br><br>Let me put a demo page together and send a link. You can put anything you want into the rest of the page you want to deliver.<br><font color="#888888"><br>B.</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><br> <br><div class="gmail_quote"> On Jan 15, 2008 1:37 PM, Julius B. Lucks < <a href="mailto:julius@younglucks.com" target="_blank">julius@younglucks.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> Hey Bill,<div><br></div><div>Would it be hard to make a link in the navigation bar that inserted the <comment/> tag into the page that the user was viewing?</div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Julius </div> </font><div><div><br><div> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>Please Reply to My Permanent Address: <a href="mailto:julius@younglucks.com" target="_blank">julius@younglucks.com</a> </div><div><a href="http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks" target="_blank">http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks</a></div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- </div><div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><br></span></span></span></span></span> </div><br></div><div><div></div><div><div><div>On Jan 15, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Bill F wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"> I just downloaded and installed a comment tag that may be of use. <br><br>To try it add the following tag to any OWW page:<br><br><comment /><br><br>See what you think. <br><br>This is a starting point. Ican change the code to either send an email message to a specific address or to add the comment to another page besides the one the tag is located upon. <br><br>Thanks.<br><br><br>B.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 15, 2008 12:16 PM, Julius B. Lucks <<a href="mailto:julius@younglucks.com" target="_blank">julius@younglucks.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> Hey Mike,<div><br></div><div>Good points. An email comment/suggestion box would already be a huge step forward, and might be the simplest thing to start off with. We can always reply to individual emails, and we can gradually evolve the system into an email-based discussion board/list in the future. </div><div><br></div><div>We can also start a wiki-based page, but given how unwieldily long discussions are on the wiki, this might not be the best, especially for a new user who is hesitant to edit the wiki.</div><div> <br> </div><div>Of course, in the presence of no user-feedback on which one is best, we should do both!</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Julius</div><div><br></div></font><div> <div> <div> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>Please Reply to My Permanent Address: <a href="mailto:julius@younglucks.com" target="_blank">julius@younglucks.com</a> </div><div><a href="http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks" target="_blank">http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks</a></div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- </div><div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><br></span></span></span></span></span> </div><br></div><div><div></div><div><div><div>On Jan 15, 2008, at 9:06 AM, M. Yee wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"> <br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">This is a great idea, but how we implement feedback should depend on what</div><div style="margin: 0px;">we expect out of it. Email might be the easiest way to go, but submitters</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"> would not necessarily be expecting a response--more of a comment or</div><div style="margin: 0px;">suggestion box in that case. If we're looking to start a discussion with</div><div style="margin: 0px;"> the user, perhaps a thread similar to the "Help" page would be useful. </div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">Mike</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"> <br></div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;"> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Julius B. Lucks wrote:</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin: 0px;"> Hi SC,</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;"> We really need some way for an average user to give feedback to the SC about</div><div style="margin: 0px;">how to make OWW better, how they currently use it, etc. <span> </span>Outside of the</div><div style="margin: 0px;"> survey, or someone finding the steering committee page on their own, there is</div><div style="margin: 0px;">really no mechanism to get general community feedback on how we are doing, and </div><div style="margin: 0px;">which direction we should take next. <span> </span>I am hoping that as the SC blog is used</div><div style="margin: 0px;">more regularly, there will be useful comments on the posts, but I don't think </div><div style="margin: 0px;">that is enough.</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"> <br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">How about some sort of 'Feedback' link in the navigation bar?<span> </span>That way it can </div><div style="margin: 0px;">be seen on every page so that people reaching OWW from Google for example can </div><div style="margin: 0px;">still give feedback.<span> </span>The link ideally would point to some sort of discussion </div><div style="margin: 0px;">forum with topic threads etc., but for now should just bring up some page that </div><div style="margin: 0px;">a user could fill in to email <a href="mailto:feedback@openwetware.org" target="_blank"> feedback@openwetware.org</a> for example (email</div><div style="margin: 0px;">being simpler for newer users than editing the wiki). </div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">What do you think? </div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">Cheers,</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"> <br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">Julius</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"> <br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div> <div style="margin: 0px;">Please Reply to My Permanent Address: <a href="mailto:julius@younglucks.com" target="_blank"> julius@younglucks.com</a></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><a href="http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks" target="_blank"> http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks</a></div><div style="margin: 0px;"> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"> <br></div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"> <br></div> </blockquote></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________ <br>OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List<br><a href="mailto:sc@openwetware.org" target="_blank"> sc@openwetware.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc" target="_blank">http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc </a><br><br></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div> </div></blockquote></div><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>