<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I guess DOI's are one incarnation of URN's with domain-specificity to e-publications. It seems really silly that the DOI registration is not more permanent, which more likely than not has something to do with revenues rather than implementing a successful URN scheme.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I'll have to read up more on DOI's to be able to discuss this more in a semi-informed manner. For now, I don't see any problem with what you proposed, although it doesn't seem to be any different than just giving oww url's with an oldid parameter. Perhaps masking these url's with other url's won't change the reviewers opinions once they figure out what is going on. It seems like we need something more on the lines of a culture change where people find it acceptable to reference wiki pages. Then we can use whatever name archiving scheme we want.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Can anyone share recent experience on reviewers not accepting oww url's as references?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cheers,</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Julius</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; 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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Austin Che wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">What is the big cost associated with DOI's?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Is it registration of the</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">numbers, hardware costs, or both?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Perhaps if we don't<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>automatically</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">register every page, but only pages that people request<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>to be</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">registered, we could keep the cost down.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Also, what<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>organization</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">would we contact to possibly get DOI registration<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>donated to us?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>I</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">wouldn't mind pursuing this, as I think it is a<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>very important issue</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">for us in terms of 'legitimizing' oww content.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Here are the registration agencies.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A href="http://doi.org/registration_agencies.html">http://doi.org/registration_agencies.html</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>I don't know anything else about DOIs. The 25K/year number was</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>from Sri or Jason.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Some lower numbers are on this page: <A href="http://www.medra.org/en/terms.htm">http://www.medra.org/en/terms.htm</A> <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>I actually really don't understand the purpose of DOIs. As stated</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>on that page, "If the access to the service is not renewed, the</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>persistence of DOIs is guaranteed for at least 5 years after the</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>payment of the last annual fee. In order to maintain the</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>persistence of DOIs after ceasing the use of service, the payment</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>of 0,1 euros for each document is required." so even DOIs aren't</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>guarenteed to be permanent. And if the OWW site goes down, why</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>would it matter if you could resolve a DOI anyway as the content</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>is no longer there. Thus I see no technical benefits for linking</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>to a OWW page via some indirect doi linking.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Austin Che <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><<A href="mailto:austin@csail.mit.edu">austin@csail.mit.edu</A>><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>(617)253-5899</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:sc@openwetware.org">sc@openwetware.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc">http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>