From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep  1 01:02:38 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:02:38 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Not As Wiki As It Used To Be
Message-ID: <44F7BEEE.2060100@mit.edu>

http://slashdot.org/articles/06/08/31/1220201.shtml


From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep  1 07:23:31 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:23:31 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Not As Wiki As It Used To Be
In-Reply-To: <44F7BEEE.2060100@mit.edu>
References: <44F7BEEE.2060100@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <7c085c480609010423g3d44d5abg95e9b2722bb1077e@mail.gmail.com>

jimmy wales's response to that BBC article:
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/08/31/2224230.shtml

from his response:
The news media has an unfortunate temptation to follow a story arc
that goes something like this. "Open editing is impossible. It worked
for a little while at Wikipedia, but now even Wikipedia is admitting
that it does not work, so they are closing off public editing step by
step. This proves that our traditional model is best in the end."  The
fact that this story arc has no relationship to the reality of changes
in Wikipedia has not stopped them.


jason

On 9/1/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> http://slashdot.org/articles/06/08/31/1220201.shtml
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>


From acidmucin at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Sep  1 08:42:56 2006
From: acidmucin at yahoo.co.uk (joseph borg)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:42:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [OWW-SC] Latest in teaching for higher secondary students in Europe
In-Reply-To: <7c085c480609010423g3d44d5abg95e9b2722bb1077e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060901124256.43725.qmail@web26011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Dear All.
   
  If i am to start working in a 6th Form, higher secondary school. i.e., pre-stage to University. And was to suggest a small list of latest topics to be included in Biotechnology and biological engineering to be carried out as practical sessions and theory too. Would would the current OWW community suggest?
   
  Thanks! 
   
  Joseph
   
  P.S. im working to spread the word of OWW in my scientific community, so any help would be greatly appreciated
   
  Cheers all!
   

 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 
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From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep  1 09:21:34 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:21:34 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Latest in teaching for higher secondary students in
	Europe
In-Reply-To: <20060901124256.43725.qmail@web26011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <7c085c480609010423g3d44d5abg95e9b2722bb1077e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060901124256.43725.qmail@web26011.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7c085c480609010621i7d9ec42btee852ab4bdb13f8c@mail.gmail.com>

hi joseph,
I moved your question to the (brand new ;) courses Q&A section:
http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Courses/QandA

which is linked to from the OWW:courses portal:
http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Courses

That way it will be seen by a bigger group then just the small subset
of OWW users on the Steering Committee.

Thanks,
jason

p.s. feel free to edit or remove it, if you didn't want it posted to the site.

On 9/1/06, joseph borg <acidmucin at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Dear All.
>
> If i am to start working in a 6th Form, higher secondary school. i.e.,
> pre-stage to University. And was to suggest a small list of latest topics to
> be included in Biotechnology and biological engineering to be carried out as
> practical sessions and theory too. Would would the current OWW community
> suggest?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joseph
>
> P.S. im working to spread the word of OWW in my scientific community, so any
> help would be greatly appreciated
>
> Cheers all!
>
>
>  Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>
>
>


From acidmucin at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Sep  7 03:13:01 2006
From: acidmucin at yahoo.co.uk (joseph borg)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:13:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [OWW-SC] Vector with LoxP sites flanking one/two antibiotic markers
	for e.coli
Message-ID: <20060907071301.14809.qmail@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Dear All,
   
  I am writing you to see whether there is anyone who is able to help me around.
   
  I am in need of a low-copy vector (1 to 2 per cell) which carries two antibiotic marker genes. (preferably one sensitive such rpsL, and one resistant such at Tetracycline, Chloramphenicol, etc.) and are FLANKED between two LoxP sites so as once i express Cre recombinase i get recombination between the lox sites and removal of the antibiotic sites. I have rpsL gene at the lab, also i have tetracycline. So even if the plasmid doesn';t carry any antibiotic genes, but has LoxP it would be o.k and i may move in with my construct by subcloning between the sites but that would entail more work... :) 
   
  Anyone in a position to help? I would also be very happy, whoever wishes, to collaborate and explain better my underlying project.
   
  Thanks!
   
  Joseph
   
  Laboratory of Molecular Genetics
  Department of Physiology and Biochemistry
  Biomedical Science Building
  University of Malta
  Msida MSD06
  MALTA
   
  tel: +356 2340 2774
  fax: +356 2134 3535
   
   
   
   
   
   

 		
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From tk at csail.mit.edu  Thu Sep  7 07:28:14 2006
From: tk at csail.mit.edu (tk@csail.mit.edu)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:28:14 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Vector with LoxP sites flanking one/two antibiotic
	markersfor e.coli
In-Reply-To: <20060907071301.14809.qmail@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20060907071301.14809.qmail@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1157628494.4500024e0be74@imap.csail.mit.edu>

You might want to look at the Invitrogen "Gateway" vectors, which use Cre-Lox
recombination for moving inserts among the plasmids in their vector series.

This is probably not the right place to be asking this question.  I don't know
if we have a good forum site (uh, why not, folks?), but I frequent the one at
www.protocol-online.org, and asking this question again in their molecular
biology forum would likely yield better answers.  I'd also be happy to discuss
the matter in private email.  Just a quick note -- some of the common lab
strains such as TOP10 and DH10B have rpsL genotypes.  It's also a common and
easy mutation.


Quoting joseph borg <acidmucin at yahoo.co.uk>:

> Dear All,
>    
>   I am writing you to see whether there is anyone who is able to help me
> around.
>    
>   I am in need of a low-copy vector (1 to 2 per cell) which carries two
> antibiotic marker genes. (preferably one sensitive such rpsL, and one
> resistant such at Tetracycline, Chloramphenicol, etc.) and are FLANKED
> between two LoxP sites so as once i express Cre recombinase i get
> recombination between the lox sites and removal of the antibiotic sites. I
> have rpsL gene at the lab, also i have tetracycline. So even if the plasmid
> doesn';t carry any antibiotic genes, but has LoxP it would be o.k and i may
> move in with my construct by subcloning between the sites but that would
> entail more work... :) 
>    
>   Anyone in a position to help? I would also be very happy, whoever wishes,
> to collaborate and explain better my underlying project.
>    
>   Thanks!
>    
>   Joseph
>    
>   Laboratory of Molecular Genetics
>   Department of Physiology and Biochemistry
>   Biomedical Science Building
>   University of Malta
>   Msida MSD06
>   MALTA
>    
>   tel: +356 2340 2774
>   fax: +356 2134 3535
>    
>    
>    
>    
>    
>    
> 
>  		
> ---------------------------------
>  The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from
> your Internet provider.





From rshetty at MIT.EDU  Thu Sep  7 08:18:09 2006
From: rshetty at MIT.EDU (Reshma P. Shetty)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:18:09 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Vector with LoxP sites flanking one/two antibiotic
	markersfor e.coli
In-Reply-To: <1157628494.4500024e0be74@imap.csail.mit.edu>
References: <20060907071301.14809.qmail@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<1157628494.4500024e0be74@imap.csail.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <BA830259-2C0E-4BD7-A9F8-39BBC221440F@mit.edu>

We do have a help forum on OWW.  :)

See http://openwetware.org/wiki/Questions_and_Answers

Joseph, I would post your question there so that it reaches a wider  
OWW audience.

-Reshma

PS Also see, http://openwetware.org/wiki/ 
Bacterial_artificial_chromosomes
Some of the BACs listed there have loxP sites.  But you have to be  
careful about which one you use to really get copy number 1-2.

On Sep 7, 2006, at 7:28 AM, tk at csail.mit.edu wrote:

> You might want to look at the Invitrogen "Gateway" vectors, which  
> use Cre-Lox
> recombination for moving inserts among the plasmids in their vector  
> series.
>
> This is probably not the right place to be asking this question.  I  
> don't know
> if we have a good forum site (uh, why not, folks?), but I frequent  
> the one at
> www.protocol-online.org, and asking this question again in their  
> molecular
> biology forum would likely yield better answers.  I'd also be happy  
> to discuss
> the matter in private email.  Just a quick note -- some of the  
> common lab
> strains such as TOP10 and DH10B have rpsL genotypes.  It's also a  
> common and
> easy mutation.
>
>
> Quoting joseph borg <acidmucin at yahoo.co.uk>:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>   I am writing you to see whether there is anyone who is able to  
>> help me
>> around.
>>
>>   I am in need of a low-copy vector (1 to 2 per cell) which  
>> carries two
>> antibiotic marker genes. (preferably one sensitive such rpsL, and one
>> resistant such at Tetracycline, Chloramphenicol, etc.) and are  
>> FLANKED
>> between two LoxP sites so as once i express Cre recombinase i get
>> recombination between the lox sites and removal of the antibiotic  
>> sites. I
>> have rpsL gene at the lab, also i have tetracycline. So even if  
>> the plasmid
>> doesn';t carry any antibiotic genes, but has LoxP it would be o.k  
>> and i may
>> move in with my construct by subcloning between the sites but that  
>> would
>> entail more work... :)
>>
>>   Anyone in a position to help? I would also be very happy,  
>> whoever wishes,
>> to collaborate and explain better my underlying project.
>>
>>   Thanks!
>>
>>   Joseph
>>
>>   Laboratory of Molecular Genetics
>>   Department of Physiology and Biochemistry
>>   Biomedical Science Building
>>   University of Malta
>>   Msida MSD06
>>   MALTA
>>
>>   tel: +356 2340 2774
>>   fax: +356 2134 3535
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  		
>> ---------------------------------
>>  The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email  
>> address from
>> your Internet provider.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc



From endy at mit.edu  Thu Sep  7 11:01:11 2006
From: endy at mit.edu (Drew Endy)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:01:11 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] FYI-only
Message-ID: <BEB3FE3A-0D72-473D-A340-192D95CE6F6A@mit.edu>

I just gave a live OWW demo with the relevant program manager at NIH  
about the CDP supplement request in support of OWW.
He said that "he is convinced."  Hopefully we will get a small bit of  
good news soon.

Drew


From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Sat Sep  9 15:37:22 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:37:22 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] fyi
Message-ID: <7c085c480609091237y4b679494qace1a4cfbb0e6154@mail.gmail.com>

looks like OWW will be mentioned in a book, like a real paper one ;)

http://anthonydwilliams.com/2006/09/08/alliance-pioneers-new-paradigm-of-collaborative-science/

jason


From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Mon Sep 11 14:08:01 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:08:01 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Meeting this Thursday at Noon (9/14)
Message-ID: <7c085c480609111108l24de6798t73f47f3071792c4a@mail.gmail.com>

hi SC,

Just a reminder that we have a meeting on Thursday (9/14).  If you are
planning on calling / videoconfercing in, please let me know.  Also,
we've updated the SC homepage in case you hadn't yet noticed:
http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee

The old version was pretty outdated and overwhelming.  The idea here
is that this page will contain the current month's tasks and
suggestions for the next meeting.  After the meeting on thursday these
will be archived along with the meeting notes, here:
http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee#Meetings

and we'll reset the SC homepage based on the task list from the new
meeting.  The SC page will hopefully be an up-to-date space where SC
members (or anyone else) can find something to work on or to suggest
new ideas.

As a consequence, the "agenda" is now just the SC homepage.   Please
edit and comment there.

Last, I'm hoping to spend a fair chunk of time at the meeting trying
to prioritize a list of short term (e.g. by january) goals for OWW.
We've been starting to put together a list here:
http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee/Goals

Please take a little time before the meeting to add ideas / thoughts.
See you all on thursday.

Thanks,
Jason


From bcanton at MIT.EDU  Tue Sep 12 10:16:58 2006
From: bcanton at MIT.EDU (Barry Canton)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:16:58 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Fwd: [Synthetic Biology] Synthetic Gene Design Software
	Collection
In-Reply-To: <4506BCA5.6080205@umbc.edu>
References: <20060912094952.22165.qmail@web86914.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4506BCA5.6080205@umbc.edu>
Message-ID: <52c0d2160609120716t6a6d352el92cfbaa4906d0d63@mail.gmail.com>

evolvingcode.net is a bioinformatics wiki being maintained at UMBC.  In line
with Drew's invitation they might be interested in the wider community they
could reach through OWW.

One thing they have that I hadn't see before is phpBB, its open source
bulletin board software that can be embedded into wikis (including
Mediawiki).  Might be worth checking out.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PHPBB/Users_Integration

Barry

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gang Wu <wug1 at umbc.edu>
Date: Sep 12, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: [Synthetic Biology] Synthetic Gene Design Software Collection
To: discuss at syntheticbiology.org

Hi,

I have compiled a list of computer programs capable of back-translating
and/or re-designing a gene, mainly for improving protein
over-expression. The URL is http://www.evolvingcode.net/codon. I hope
it'll be useful for people in the field. Any comments or suggestions are
highly appreciated.

Thank you!

Gang

--
Gang Wu
Ph. D. Candidate
Freeland Bioinformatics Lab
Dept. of Biol. Sci., BS106
University of Maryland, Baltimore County
1000 Hilltop Circle,
Baltimore, MD 21250
Tel: 410-455-2279 (Lab)
Fax: 410-455-3875
Web: http://www.evolvingcode.net/wug1/

_______________________________________________
discuss mailing list
discuss at syntheticbiology.org
http://lists.syntheticbiology.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss


-- 
Barry Canton
Endy Lab
Biological Engineering Division
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Tel.:(617) 899 6062
Email1: bcanton at mit.edu
Email2: bcanton at gmail.com
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From lucks at fas.harvard.edu  Tue Sep 12 18:54:21 2006
From: lucks at fas.harvard.edu (Julius Lucks)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:54:21 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] mapLit: A new tool for Literature Searches
Message-ID: <60ACDA59-7712-4E66-B7B1-1C1F97B3F5BC@fas.harvard.edu>

Hey OWW SC.  Chances are, you have done a literature search on  
PubMed. We have, we've even done a lot of them, and we thought that  
we could make them better. So we made mapLit (http:// 
maplit.hopto.org). It has helped us to make our literature searches  
more fruitful, and we bet that it can help you with yours.

http://maplit.hopto.org

We've sent you this alpha version  of mapLit to help you with your  
searches and to help us make a better tool. Maybe it won't help you,  
but maybe, just maybe, it will. So please try it out. It could be  
that you need other features. In fact, we want to know that too! No  
matter the case, please tell us what you'd like/need/want more of at  
maplit at gmail.com.

Yours,
Julius, Adrian, Sera and Brian
http://maplit.hopto.org

PS If you want some ideas on how exactly you can use mapLit for more  
productive, innovative, insightful searches, see http:// 
slyjbl.hopto.org:3000/help/faq.



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From jennyn at MIT.EDU  Thu Sep 14 10:54:31 2006
From: jennyn at MIT.EDU (Jenny Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:54:31 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Updated SC Page
Message-ID: <cf36c28d0609140754l39555d45jf20b3998d6c4f297@mail.gmail.com>

I've posted a new SC page. It is a work in progress, but it is improved from
the text-heavy version we had previously.

http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee

Jenny
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From jennytnguyen at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 15:36:45 2006
From: jennytnguyen at gmail.com (Jenny Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:36:45 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Changed video to image
Message-ID: <cf36c28d0609141236u6fb83707i8708b06a81d7e58a@mail.gmail.com>

The embedded video has been changed to an image taken from the video. This
should free up some space from the front page so people can access it
faster.

Jenny
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From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Thu Sep 14 16:42:09 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:42:09 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Changed video to image
In-Reply-To: <cf36c28d0609141236u6fb83707i8708b06a81d7e58a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cf36c28d0609141236u6fb83707i8708b06a81d7e58a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4509BEA1.90604@mit.edu>

Thanks, it loads quicker for me now.  There are some additional things
we could do though to optimize it further.  I'll try to suggest specific
recommendations later.

Ilya

Jenny Nguyen wrote:
> The embedded video has been changed to an image taken from the video.
> This should free up some space from the front page so people can access
> it faster.
> 
> Jenny
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc


From jennyn at MIT.EDU  Tue Sep 19 15:07:44 2006
From: jennyn at MIT.EDU (Jenny Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:07:44 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Community Portal
Message-ID: <cf36c28d0609191207g4481986cta1150f0dd3f19c58@mail.gmail.com>

I've added the navigation bar to the top of the first 2 discussion topics in
the Community Portal. I'm not sure that this is the best way to execute
this, and if it makes it easier. I was thinking that eventually we would
have all pages link to one another this way so that pages don't get too
buried into the wiki.

Then I thought about our discussion about graphics and slow page-loading,
and stopped integrating the navbar.

Please let me know your thoughts on this integration on the community portal
discussion page.
http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare_talk:Community_Portal

Love,
Jenny
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From johncumbers at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 11:52:44 2006
From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:52:44 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] log-in cookie - can we set to never expire?
Message-ID: <cfd758050609200852j6f577242wa093c45f958a9d17@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Austin/Ilya/all,

I am constantly logged out of oww when I change internet session or
computer.  could we set it so that the cookie never expires perhaps?  Like I
never have to log-in to amazon/flickr/gmail  (or every 2 weeks perhaps)
In include/DefaultSettings.php
$wgCookieExpiration = 2592000;

this is in seconds, not quite sure how to set it to never, but I don't see
why it couldn't be set to never?
cheers,

John




-- 
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Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
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From austin at csail.mit.edu  Wed Sep 20 11:59:01 2006
From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:59:01 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] log-in cookie - can we set to never expire?
In-Reply-To: <cfd758050609200852j6f577242wa093c45f958a9d17@mail.gmail.com>
	(John Cumbers's message of "Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:52:44 -0400")
References: <cfd758050609200852j6f577242wa093c45f958a9d17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87ac4uy1fe.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu>

>
> Hi Austin/Ilya/all,
>
> I am constantly logged out of oww when I change internet session or
> computer.  could we set it so that the cookie never expires perhaps?  Like I
> never have to log-in to amazon/flickr/gmail  (or every 2 weeks perhaps)
> In include/DefaultSettings.php
> $wgCookieExpiration = 2592000;
>
> this is in seconds, not quite sure how to set it to never, but I don't see
> why it couldn't be set to never?

    I also have this problem but I don't think this is an oww
    problem. 2592000 seconds is 30 days. I get logged out constantly
    when using one particular browser on windows but not when I use
    another browser on linux. I can't figure it out.
    
-- 
Austin Che           <austin at csail.mit.edu>          (617)253-5899


From johncumbers at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 12:08:08 2006
From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:08:08 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] log-in cookie - can we set to never expire?
In-Reply-To: <87ac4uy1fe.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu>
References: <cfd758050609200852j6f577242wa093c45f958a9d17@mail.gmail.com>
	<87ac4uy1fe.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <cfd758050609200908x5525771evb5b11edea18a8b16@mail.gmail.com>

Any other ideas what this problem is caused by then, I think it is a huge
usability issue, as 1) people forget their passwords, 2) it asks you to
log-in for the page you want to edit, and then redirects you to another
page, causing you to have to hit the back button to find the page you want.
I'm always switching between wired/wireless/laptop/desktop.  I figure it is
a security measure to prevent people sockpuppeting (pretending to be two
people and having a discussion about an article on wikipedia)

It drives me mad, let alone the technophobes who I try to wikify..  I have
the same problem on all installations.

however, I work that out to be ~38 hrs, not 1 month, but I'm not sure what
OWW is set to?

If it's not cookies what else could it be?
cheers,
john

On 9/20/06, Austin Che <austin at csail.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Austin/Ilya/all,
> >
> > I am constantly logged out of oww when I change internet session or
> > computer.  could we set it so that the cookie never expires
> perhaps?  Like I
> > never have to log-in to amazon/flickr/gmail  (or every 2 weeks perhaps)
> > In include/DefaultSettings.php
> > $wgCookieExpiration = 2592000;
> >
> > this is in seconds, not quite sure how to set it to never, but I don't
> see
> > why it couldn't be set to never?
>
>     I also have this problem but I don't think this is an oww
>     problem. 2592000 seconds is 30 days. I get logged out constantly
>     when using one particular browser on windows but not when I use
>     another browser on linux. I can't figure it out.
>
> --
> Austin Che           <austin at csail.mit.edu>          (617)253-5899
>



-- 
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Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
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From austin at csail.mit.edu  Wed Sep 20 12:59:07 2006
From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:59:07 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] log-in cookie - can we set to never expire?
References: <cfd758050609200852j6f577242wa093c45f958a9d17@mail.gmail.com>
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> I'm always switching between wired/wireless/laptop/desktop.  I figure it is
> a security measure to prevent people sockpuppeting (pretending to be two
> people and having a discussion about an article on wikipedia)

    There's no problem with being logged in from multiple
    machines/different browsers. I just loaded up firefox on linux (a
    browser which I hardly use to look at oww) and it was still logged
    in to oww. 
    
> however, I work that out to be ~38 hrs, not 1 month, but I'm not sure what
> OWW is set to?

    OWW is set to the default of 2592000 which is
    2592000s = 43200m = 720 h = 30 days = 1 month
    I'm not sure how you got 38 hours.
    
> If it's not cookies what else could it be?

    I'm not saying it's not cookies. I believe the cookie you care
    about is a cookie called openwetware token and check the
    expiration date on it.

    When you log in, are checking remember me? On firefox, a useful
    feature is to make it ask you every time a cookie is set and it'll
    tell you what's going on with cookies.
    
-- 
Austin Che           <austin at csail.mit.edu>          (617)253-5899


From johncumbers at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 20:42:58 2006
From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:42:58 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW
Message-ID: <cfd758050609201742q6601545as788cf61de13b1ede@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
 I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
wikipedia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our distribution
that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me to somewhere on OWW
that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
cheers,
John

-- 
John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
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From martin_jambon at emailuser.net  Thu Sep 21 01:13:34 2006
From: martin_jambon at emailuser.net (Martin Jambon)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:13:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW
In-Reply-To: <cfd758050609201742q6601545as788cf61de13b1ede@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfd758050609201742q6601545as788cf61de13b1ede@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609202149240.2424@droopy>

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
> wikipedia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our distribution
> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me to somewhere on OWW
> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,

AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very motivated to 
merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page so that 
you and others see the difference at the source level.
So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio extension, but 
people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't really 
have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to take over 
its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like it was 
suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)

The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the fact that 
every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is released. 
That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really familiar with 
MediaWiki/PHP hacking.

Refs: Cite extension: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
       Biblio extension: http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio


Martin

--
Martin Jambon, PhD
http://martin.jambon.free.fr


From endy at mit.edu  Thu Sep 21 18:10:15 2006
From: endy at mit.edu (Drew Endy)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:10:15 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] NIH supplement official ($80k)
Message-ID: <785601E2-9E3A-4ED4-9110-E14370E3236A@mit.edu>

Official word just arrived via Peter Sorger that NIH will provide  
$50k direct ($80k total) in support of OWW over the next year.

Congrats to all and special thanks to Peter for recognizing and  
pushing on this opportunity!!

Drew


From psorger at MIT.EDU  Thu Sep 21 23:36:16 2006
From: psorger at MIT.EDU (Peter Sorger)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:36:16 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC]  NIH supplement official ($80k)
In-Reply-To: <cfd758050609211758i31be26fam6d80a6665e06daeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <785601E2-9E3A-4ED4-9110-E14370E3236A@mit.edu>
	<cfd758050609211758i31be26fam6d80a6665e06daeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060921233616.50z3jc1vgu5wkc0g@webmail.mit.edu>

John - no need to thank me! It was the wonderful OWW project that sold NIH. We
should be grateful to them though, since money is really tight and we got one
of very very few supplements!

Peter

Quoting John Cumbers <johncumbers at gmail.com>:

> Thank you Peter,
> John
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Drew Endy <endy at mit.edu>
> Date: Sep 21, 2006 6:10 PM
> Subject: [OWW-SC] NIH supplement official ($80k)
> To: sc at openwetware.org
> Cc: Peter Sorger <psorger at mit.edu>
>
> Official word just arrived via Peter Sorger that NIH will provide
> $50k direct ($80k total) in support of OWW over the next year.
>
> Congrats to all and special thanks to Peter for recognizing and
> pushing on this opportunity!!
>
> Drew
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>
>
> -- 
> John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
> Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
> 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
> Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
> UK to USA: 0207 617 7824
>



-- 
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Professor of Systems Biology
Harvard Medical School
Room 68-371 MIT
77 Mass Ave
Cambridge MA 02139
617-252-1648
617-253-8550
Admin Assistant: Haley Salinas
Haley_Salinas at hms.harvard.edu


From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep 22 18:15:55 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:15:55 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609202149240.2424@droopy>
References: <cfd758050609201742q6601545as788cf61de13b1ede@mail.gmail.com>
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Should we simply install the Cite extension?

Ilya

Martin Jambon wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
>> wikipedia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
>> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our distribution
>> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
>> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me to somewhere on OWW
>> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
> 
> AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very motivated to 
> merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page so that 
> you and others see the difference at the source level.
> So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio extension, but 
> people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't really 
> have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to take over 
> its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like it was 
> suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)
> 
> The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the fact that 
> every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is released. 
> That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really familiar with 
> MediaWiki/PHP hacking.
> 
> Refs: Cite extension: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
>        Biblio extension: http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> --
> Martin Jambon, PhD
> http://martin.jambon.free.fr
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc


From johncumbers at gmail.com  Fri Sep 22 18:30:29 2006
From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:30:29 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW
In-Reply-To: <4514609B.5060507@mit.edu>
References: <cfd758050609201742q6601545as788cf61de13b1ede@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0609202149240.2424@droopy> <4514609B.5060507@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <cfd758050609221530k2681fa77ue4c2529d7cbce391@mail.gmail.com>

I say yes,
john

On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
>
> Should we simply install the Cite extension?
>
> Ilya
>
> Martin Jambon wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
> >> wikipedia<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
> >> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our
> distribution
> >> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
> >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me to somewhere on
> OWW
> >> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
> >
> > AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very motivated
> to
> > merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page so that
> > you and others see the difference at the source level.
> > So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio extension, but
> > people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't really
> > have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to take over
> > its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like it was
> > suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)
> >
> > The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the fact that
> > every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is
> released.
> > That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really familiar
> with
> > MediaWiki/PHP hacking.
> >
> > Refs: Cite extension: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> >        Biblio extension: http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > --
> > Martin Jambon, PhD
> > http://martin.jambon.free.fr
> > _______________________________________________
> > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > sc at openwetware.org
> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>



-- 
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Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
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From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep 22 18:35:23 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:35:23 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW
In-Reply-To: <cfd758050609221530k2681fa77ue4c2529d7cbce391@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfd758050609201742q6601545as788cf61de13b1ede@mail.gmail.com>
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we already have the cite extension that puts Cite on the toolbar so
that people can site OWW pages.  This must be a different extension...

in any case, why do we need this if we have biblio?

jason

On 9/22/06, John Cumbers <johncumbers at gmail.com> wrote:
> I say yes,
> john
>
>
> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> > Should we simply install the Cite extension?
> >
> > Ilya
> >
> > Martin Jambon wrote:
> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all,
> > >> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
> > >>
> wikipedia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
> > >> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our
> distribution
> > >> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
> > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me
> to somewhere on OWW
> > >> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
> > >
> > > AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very motivated
> to
> > > merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page so that
> > > you and others see the difference at the source level.
> > > So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio extension, but
> > > people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't really
> > > have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to take over
> > > its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like it was
> > > suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)
> > >
> > > The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the fact that
> > > every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is
> released.
> > > That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really familiar
> with
> > > MediaWiki/PHP hacking.
> > >
> > > Refs: Cite extension:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> > >        Biblio extension:
> http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio
> > >
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > --
> > > Martin Jambon, PhD
> > > http://martin.jambon.free.fr
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > > sc at openwetware.org
> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > _______________________________________________
> > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > sc at openwetware.org
> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> >
>
>
>
> --
>  John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
> Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
> 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
> Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
> UK to USA: 0207 617 7824
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>
>
>


From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep 22 18:38:28 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:38:28 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW
In-Reply-To: <7c085c480609221535u360646ach8107720b514268@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfd758050609201742q6601545as788cf61de13b1ede@mail.gmail.com>	
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It is a different extension.

Here's the one we have: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/SpecialCite.php.

Here's the one John wants:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php

Ilya

Jason Kelly wrote:
> we already have the cite extension that puts Cite on the toolbar so
> that people can site OWW pages.  This must be a different extension...
> 
> in any case, why do we need this if we have biblio?
> 
> jason
> 
> On 9/22/06, John Cumbers <johncumbers at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I say yes,
>> john
>>
>>
>> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
>> > Should we simply install the Cite extension?
>> >
>> > Ilya
>> >
>> > Martin Jambon wrote:
>> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi all,
>> > >> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
>> > >>
>> wikipedia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
>>
>> > >> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our
>> distribution
>> > >> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
>> > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me
>> to somewhere on OWW
>> > >> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
>> > >
>> > > AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very
>> motivated
>> to
>> > > merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page so
>> that
>> > > you and others see the difference at the source level.
>> > > So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio extension,
>> but
>> > > people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't really
>> > > have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to
>> take over
>> > > its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like it was
>> > > suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)
>> > >
>> > > The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the fact
>> that
>> > > every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is
>> released.
>> > > That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really familiar
>> with
>> > > MediaWiki/PHP hacking.
>> > >
>> > > Refs: Cite extension:
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
>> > >        Biblio extension:
>> http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Martin
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Martin Jambon, PhD
>> > > http://martin.jambon.free.fr
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
>> > > sc at openwetware.org
>> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
>> > sc at openwetware.org
>> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>  John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
>> Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
>> 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
>> Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
>> UK to USA: 0207 617 7824
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
>> sc at openwetware.org
>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>>
>>
>>


From johncumbers at gmail.com  Fri Sep 22 18:42:08 2006
From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:42:08 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW
In-Reply-To: <451465E4.2030505@mit.edu>
References: <cfd758050609201742q6601545as788cf61de13b1ede@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm using biblio, but using <cite> would make us compatible with wikipedia.
It also has a few nice features, like an arrow in the references which
allows you to jump back to the point that it was referenced.
John


On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
>
> It is a different extension.
>
> Here's the one we have:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/SpecialCite.php.
>
> Here's the one John wants:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
>
> Ilya
>
> Jason Kelly wrote:
> > we already have the cite extension that puts Cite on the toolbar so
> > that people can site OWW pages.  This must be a different extension...
> >
> > in any case, why do we need this if we have biblio?
> >
> > jason
> >
> > On 9/22/06, John Cumbers <johncumbers at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I say yes,
> >> john
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> >> > Should we simply install the Cite extension?
> >> >
> >> > Ilya
> >> >
> >> > Martin Jambon wrote:
> >> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Hi all,
> >> > >> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
> >> > >>
> >> wikipedia<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
> >>
> >> > >> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our
> >> distribution
> >> > >> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
> >> > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me
> >> to somewhere on OWW
> >> > >> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
> >> > >
> >> > > AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very
> >> motivated
> >> to
> >> > > merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page so
> >> that
> >> > > you and others see the difference at the source level.
> >> > > So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio extension,
> >> but
> >> > > people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't
> really
> >> > > have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to
> >> take over
> >> > > its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like it
> was
> >> > > suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)
> >> > >
> >> > > The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the fact
> >> that
> >> > > every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is
> >> released.
> >> > > That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really
> familiar
> >> with
> >> > > MediaWiki/PHP hacking.
> >> > >
> >> > > Refs: Cite extension:
> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> >> > >        Biblio extension:
> >> http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Martin
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Martin Jambon, PhD
> >> > > http://martin.jambon.free.fr
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> >> > > sc at openwetware.org
> >> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> >> > sc at openwetware.org
> >> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>  John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
> >> Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
> >> 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
> >> Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
> >> UK to USA: 0207 617 7824
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> >> sc at openwetware.org
> >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>



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From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Fri Sep 22 19:07:47 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:07:47 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW
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do we want to maintain two extensions that essentially do the same
thing?  we should probably just make a decision to either support
biblio or cite long term.  with extensions I think we still need to
stick withthe policy of only adding ones we really need since we're
stuck maintaining them through new mediawiki versions, etc.

jason

On 9/22/06, John Cumbers <johncumbers at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm using biblio, but using <cite> would make us compatible with wikipedia.
> It also has a few nice features, like an arrow in the references which
> allows you to jump back to the point that it was referenced.
> John
>
>
>
> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> > It is a different extension.
> >
> > Here's the one we have:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/SpecialCite.php.
> >
> > Here's the one John wants:
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> >
> > Ilya
> >
> > Jason Kelly wrote:
> > > we already have the cite extension that puts Cite on the toolbar so
> > > that people can site OWW pages.  This must be a different extension...
> > >
> > > in any case, why do we need this if we have biblio?
> > >
> > > jason
> > >
> > > On 9/22/06, John Cumbers <johncumbers at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I say yes,
> > >> john
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> > >> > Should we simply install the Cite extension?
> > >> >
> > >> > Ilya
> > >> >
> > >> > Martin Jambon wrote:
> > >> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Hi all,
> > >> > >> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
> > >> > >>
> > >>
> wikipedia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
> > >>
> > >> > >> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our
> > >> distribution
> > >> > >> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
> > >> > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or
> point me
> > >> to somewhere on OWW
> > >> > >> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very
> > >> motivated
> > >> to
> > >> > > merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page so
> > >> that
> > >> > > you and others see the difference at the source level.
> > >> > > So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio extension,
> > >> but
> > >> > > people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't
> really
> > >> > > have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to
> > >> take over
> > >> > > its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like it
> was
> > >> > > suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the fact
> > >> that
> > >> > > every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is
> > >> released.
> > >> > > That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really
> familiar
> > >> with
> > >> > > MediaWiki/PHP hacking.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Refs: Cite extension:
> > >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> > >> > >        Biblio extension:
> > >> http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Martin
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Martin Jambon, PhD
> > >> > > http://martin.jambon.free.fr
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > >> > > sc at openwetware.org
> > >> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > >> > sc at openwetware.org
> > >> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>  John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
> > >> Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
> > >> 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
> > >> Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
> > >> UK to USA: 0207 617 7824
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > >> sc at openwetware.org
> > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > sc at openwetware.org
> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> >
>
>
>
> --
>  John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
> Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
> 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
> Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
> UK to USA: 0207 617 7824
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>
>
>


From martin_jambon at emailuser.net  Fri Sep 22 20:05:40 2006
From: martin_jambon at emailuser.net (Martin Jambon)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:05:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW
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Let me summarize what I don't like in Cite:

* the numbers used for the references are incredibly small (unreadable and
  unclickable)
* inserting a full citation in the middle of the text is a horrible
  practice (has anyone heard of bibtex?)
* support for PMIDs is limited to creating an (ugly) external link to the
  (hopefully) corresponding abstract

> I'm using biblio, but using <cite> would make us compatible with wikipedia.

Mmmm, do you plan on forking Wikipedia articles?

> It also has a few nice features, like an arrow in the references which
> allows you to jump back to the point that it was referenced.

Granted, but it's a mess when a ref is cited more than once. And it's only
useful when you start by reading the references, because if you just want
to come back to the section of the article where you come from, you can
use your browser's back button.
I know, it's a lame excuse for not implementing it Biblio, but so far it
seems to me only like a theoretical advantage.


Martin



> John
>
>
> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> >
> > It is a different extension.
> >
> > Here's the one we have:
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/SpecialCite.php.
> >
> > Here's the one John wants:
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> >
> > Ilya
> >
> > Jason Kelly wrote:
> > > we already have the cite extension that puts Cite on the toolbar so
> > > that people can site OWW pages.  This must be a different extension...
> > >
> > > in any case, why do we need this if we have biblio?
> > >
> > > jason
> > >
> > > On 9/22/06, John Cumbers <johncumbers at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I say yes,
> > >> john
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> > >> > Should we simply install the Cite extension?
> > >> >
> > >> > Ilya
> > >> >
> > >> > Martin Jambon wrote:
> > >> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Hi all,
> > >> > >> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
> > >> > >>
> > >> wikipedia<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
> > >>
> > >> > >> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our
> > >> distribution
> > >> > >> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
> > >> > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me
> > >> to somewhere on OWW
> > >> > >> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very
> > >> motivated
> > >> to
> > >> > > merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page so
> > >> that
> > >> > > you and others see the difference at the source level.
> > >> > > So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio extension,
> > >> but
> > >> > > people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't
> > really
> > >> > > have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to
> > >> take over
> > >> > > its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like it
> > was
> > >> > > suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the fact
> > >> that
> > >> > > every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is
> > >> released.
> > >> > > That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really
> > familiar
> > >> with
> > >> > > MediaWiki/PHP hacking.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Refs: Cite extension:
> > >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> > >> > >        Biblio extension:
> > >> http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Martin
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Martin Jambon, PhD
> > >> > > http://martin.jambon.free.fr
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > >> > > sc at openwetware.org
> > >> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > >> > sc at openwetware.org
> > >> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>  John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
> > >> Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
> > >> 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
> > >> Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
> > >> UK to USA: 0207 617 7824
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > >> sc at openwetware.org
> > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > sc at openwetware.org
> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> >
>
>
>
> --
> John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
> Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
> 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
> Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
> UK to USA: 0207 617 7824
>

--
Martin Jambon, PhD
http://martin.jambon.free.fr


From johncumbers at gmail.com  Sat Sep 23 08:44:10 2006
From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:44:10 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] how to reference properly on OWW
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The reason I'd like to be compatible with wikipedia is because I point
people to the wikipedia help files if people have problems editing.  I got
an e-mail last week from somebody saying "I followed the instructions but it
doesn't work"  which made me send the mail which started this discussion.

I agree, only minor differences between the two though,

John


On 9/22/06, Martin Jambon <martin_jambon at emailuser.net> wrote:
>
> Let me summarize what I don't like in Cite:
>
> * the numbers used for the references are incredibly small (unreadable and
>   unclickable)
> * inserting a full citation in the middle of the text is a horrible
>   practice (has anyone heard of bibtex?)
> * support for PMIDs is limited to creating an (ugly) external link to the
>   (hopefully) corresponding abstract
>
> > I'm using biblio, but using <cite> would make us compatible with
> wikipedia.
>
> Mmmm, do you plan on forking Wikipedia articles?
>
> > It also has a few nice features, like an arrow in the references which
> > allows you to jump back to the point that it was referenced.
>
> Granted, but it's a mess when a ref is cited more than once. And it's only
> useful when you start by reading the references, because if you just want
> to come back to the section of the article where you come from, you can
> use your browser's back button.
> I know, it's a lame excuse for not implementing it Biblio, but so far it
> seems to me only like a theoretical advantage.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > It is a different extension.
> > >
> > > Here's the one we have:
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/SpecialCite.php.
> > >
> > > Here's the one John wants:
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> > >
> > > Ilya
> > >
> > > Jason Kelly wrote:
> > > > we already have the cite extension that puts Cite on the toolbar so
> > > > that people can site OWW pages.  This must be a different
> extension...
> > > >
> > > > in any case, why do we need this if we have biblio?
> > > >
> > > > jason
> > > >
> > > > On 9/22/06, John Cumbers <johncumbers at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> I say yes,
> > > >> john
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 9/22/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> > > >> > Should we simply install the Cite extension?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Ilya
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Martin Jambon wrote:
> > > >> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, John Cumbers wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> Hi all,
> > > >> > >> I'm trying to reference properly, like they do on
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> wikipedia<
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources/example_style>,
> > > >>
> > > >> > >> but I'm having trouble, is there something different about our
> > > >> distribution
> > > >> > >> that does not allow it?  If you can make my example work here:
> > > >> > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Cumbers:tests  or point me
> > > >> to somewhere on OWW
> > > >> > >> that I can copy the code, it would be much appreciated,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > AFAIK they use the "Cite" extension. Nobody seems to be very
> > > >> motivated
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > merge it with the "Biblio" extension. I modified your test page
> so
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > you and others see the difference at the source level.
> > > >> > > So far I have been the official developer of the Biblio
> extension,
> > > >> but
> > > >> > > people keep reporting bugs and sending me patches, and I don't
> > > really
> > > >> > > have time to take care of it like I should. If anyone wants to
> > > >> take over
> > > >> > > its maintenance and include it in an official OWW package like
> it
> > > was
> > > >> > > suggested at some point, that would be really great :-)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > The main problem is my lack of interest in PHP coupled to the
> fact
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > every 4 months or so a new incompatible version of MediaWiki is
> > > >> released.
> > > >> > > That shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who is really
> > > familiar
> > > >> with
> > > >> > > MediaWiki/PHP hacking.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Refs: Cite extension:
> > > >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php
> > > >> > >        Biblio extension:
> > > >> http://wikiomics.org/wiki/Biblio
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Martin
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > Martin Jambon, PhD
> > > >> > > http://martin.jambon.free.fr
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > > >> > > sc at openwetware.org
> > > >> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > > >> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > > >> > sc at openwetware.org
> > > >> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >>  John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
> > > >> Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
> > > >> 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
> > > >> Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
> > > >> UK to USA: 0207 617 7824
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > > >> sc at openwetware.org
> > > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> > > sc at openwetware.org
> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
> > Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
> > 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
> > Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
> > UK to USA: 0207 617 7824
> >
>
> --
> Martin Jambon, PhD
> http://martin.jambon.free.fr
>



-- 
John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
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From hoatlinm at ohsu.edu  Mon Sep 25 00:22:00 2006
From: hoatlinm at ohsu.edu (Maureen Hoatlin)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:22:00 -0700
Subject: [OWW-SC] Xen Community Wiki
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Dear SC,

I just suggested to the Xenopus Community (see http://www.xenbase.org/) that OWW would be a great place to set up a wiki. Peter Vize (pvize at ucalgary.ca) is in charge of the website for the community, called XenBase.

The idea for a wiki was a hit. The discussion now is if XenBase should host a wiki on the new server they expect to get soon, or if the community should try out OWW.

I set up a page and started a discussion section listing advantages of OWW vs advantages of hosting at XenBase. I (we) could use your input on this decision. 

see
http://openwetware.org/wiki/Xenopus_Community

Thanks!
Maureen


Maureen E. Hoatlin, PhD.
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From tk at csail.mit.edu  Mon Sep 25 09:48:33 2006
From: tk at csail.mit.edu (Tom Knight)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:48:33 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] phytoplasmologists web page
In-Reply-To: <200609251139.k8PBdvb1016486@mail.cib.unibo.it>
References: <200609251139.k8PBdvb1016486@mail.cib.unibo.it>
Message-ID: <91ff377f40221a6947a654c1dd4038b6@csail.mit.edu>

Dear Assunta,

It is trivial to link an OWW page to another web site.  I believe I can 
speak for the Openwetware community to tell you that we would be very 
pleased to host the web presence of the phytoplasma research community. 
  As far as the mechanics, all you have to do is to sign up for a user 
account and start editing a page.  We're trying to keep the overhead, 
both for you and us, as low as possible.  Link here and get started!

http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:How_to_join

http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Getting_started

and welcome!

Best, tk



On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:39 AM, Bertaccini Prof.ssa Assunta wrote:

>
> Dear Tom,
> sorry for contacting you with some delay after IOM, I hope you 
> received already the preliminary invitation for next year meeting in 
> Bologna that I am trying to organize in order to help our 
> ?phytoplasmologist group collaboration.
> In Cambrigde Phil Jones offered to host the group in a web page but 
> till now I am still waiting for him to do it, so I am considering the 
> idea of him sharing web page with you. I am not familiar as you know 
> ?with informatic in general but I look to the web page you gave me in 
> UK (www.openwetware.org) as address in it seems to me very good to 
> host our group (may be too good?). Can you tell if it can be possible 
> for the group to be hosted in this web site and to be also liked in 
> some way to Phil Jones page (probably he is doing it now but I do not 
> received informations)?
> Here is Phil e-mail: phil.jones at bbsrc.ac.uk
> ?
> For the moment the main information fro the group is the one you 
> received about meeting but I think it must be spread in a short time 
> if possible,
> Thanking you in any case for help and/or suggestions,
> Very best regards,
> Assunta Bertaccini
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From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Thu Sep 28 00:06:27 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:06:27 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Get Wiki With It
Message-ID: <451B4A43.2080203@mit.edu>

"Peer review ? the unsung hero and convenient villain of science ? gets 
an online makeover."

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.09/start.html?pg=3