From jennyn at MIT.EDU Wed Jul 5 12:05:21 2006 From: jennyn at MIT.EDU (Jenny Nguyen) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:05:21 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] Reminder: Standard Protocol Submission meeting TOMORROW! Message-ID: <20060705120521.onmwma15f2osssgo@webmail.mit.edu> Steering Committee, Agenda is listed for much dreaming before the meeting tomorrow. Looking forward to an explosively remarkable, spine-tingling discussion tomorrow at Stata (32-262) 12pm EST. Lunch is on us. ;) http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Information_management/Standard_protocol_submission/Meeting_-_7/6/06 With hopes to be a movie critic, Jenny From rshetty at MIT.EDU Wed Jul 5 23:05:23 2006 From: rshetty at MIT.EDU (Reshma P. Shetty) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:05:23 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] please sign steering committee letter of support for NSF BDI grant Message-ID: <0E2A8DD9-499D-4A83-BD5A-095E2E3BDC11@mit.edu> Hey all, http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee/ Long_term_planning_discussion As many of you know if you've seen the above page, several members of the steering committee have been considering how to ensure the long term sustainability of OpenWetWare. Our working plan, is that the steering committee remains in place to ensure that OpenWetWare has an energized user community and that OpenWetWare itself meets user needs. However, we'd like to transfer many of the administrative and technical burdens now being shouldered by the steering committee to a core team of 1-3 full or part-time personnel. These folks would oversee maintenance of the site and be responsive to the steering committee's requests for new software and capabilities. To help achieve this long term plan, we need funding. We currently pursuing several options. One option is an NSF biological databases and informatics grant application. Our assumption is that even if the application itself goes unfunded we can use the document to pursue other funding sources. As a part of this grant (which is being submitted by Drew Endy), the Steering Committee is drafting a letter of support for the grant to indicate our commitment to helping guide OpenWetWare in the future. I've written this letter and posted it at http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee/ NSF_BDI_Grant/Letter_of_support If you feel comfortable and agree with the contents of the letter, please sign it (electronically) on the wiki page. If you have suggestions for the letter, please post them on the talk page. Apologies for not circulating a draft earlier for discussion and comment, we've been swamped with getting things done and only had a chance to draft it today. The grant is being submitted tomorrow. For more information or to leave comments, please see http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee/NSF_BDI_Grant Thanks, Reshma From skosuri at MIT.EDU Fri Jul 7 16:28:48 2006 From: skosuri at MIT.EDU (Sri Kosuri) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:28:48 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] OpenWetWare and Nature Publishing Group Message-ID: <2b0cb7a10607071328w2a1eb872kb87426eec261a32d@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, First, thank you to everyone that helped with drafting the grant and writing letters of support. The proposal is essentially in final form and it took much effort by many of us. Having the document will have benefits beyond this grant, and will help with any new venture or collaboration in the future. The grant will be submitted by the OSP (Office of Sponsered Projects) on Monday, and at that point I will send out a copy of the grant to everyone. Second, we were approached recently by Peter Collins and Greg Urquhart of Nature Publishing Group about strengthening ties between our two groups. For the past few years NPG has been exploring how best to engage communities of scientists more directly, as well as provide new communication tools for them (or so they say). They are interested in forming relationships at many levels depending on our interest: from just general support and help with funding all the way to complete managerial take over of the site. Obviously such an offer, while flattering makes us ask questions about the intentions of such a venture and the trustability of relinquishing control to or even establishing close ties with an old and venerated for-profit publishing group. After giving it some thought, a few of us thought we would put together a reasonable set of offer and then run it by the committee for thoughts/reactions/suggestions/or better proposals that would seem to work. So here goes: In general, we are asking for collaboration at first, and would consider tighter relationships with NPG in the future depending on the success of these initial projects. 1. What we are asking for: NPG and OpenWetWare would form a relationship which could include any or all of the following things: A. Direct support for hardware and/or support for that hardware. B. Direct support of a software developers tasked by the steering committee. Both of these could either take a form of a direct monetary donations, or contractual committments to provide these services through NPG's existing infrastructures. C. A major project chosen by the steering committee is planned and execute independently by NPG in house. For example, NPG could become responsible for development of a personal OWW distribution. This would involve simple installers for Unix, Mac, PC, installation instructions, and simple ways to publish to OWW. The specifications for such software would be made by the Steering Committee, and NPG would produce the software, and committ to continued development for some time period. D. Advertising for OpenWetWare. This is minimal and obvious to some extent. E. Tools that make sense for NPG. For example, a link on all of their papers saying "discuss and comment on OpenWetWare". They would be taking advantage of our existing community and we would get traffic and growth. (and perhaps tools to support this with other publishing groups). 2. What they would recieve: We can also imagine a couple of things that could be pallatable depending on the level of committment and support. A. On every page will be a link to Sponsors. Upon clicking that link, there will be a page describing sponsoring groups and details on how they are helping OpenWetWare. For example, such a page would already include MIT CSBi for server space, and Microsoft iCampus project for seed funding through the end of the year. That page could also describe the current status of any relationship with NPG along with a logo. B. A small NPG image on the bottom of OWW pages (i.e, the CC logo). We need help with all aspects as we are a volunteer effort. We can begin by some modest levels of support for some basic hardware/et cetera as well as people that will help support openwetware. those members would work with OWW on projects of mutual interest. (i.e., the distribution, tighter integration with the literature, et cetera). If the relationship is fruitful for the both of us, we will continue to make stronger committments to each other. So we are asking for your thoughts and comments specifically on these proposals, and also on what proposals you think could work better. Finally, I also should say that of course these discussions are somewhat private, and that they not be disclosed directly on OpenWetWare. So please email me, or the steering committee list if appropriate. Thanks, Sri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-sc/attachments/20060707/f69affb9/attachment.htm From skosuri at MIT.EDU Fri Jul 7 16:28:48 2006 From: skosuri at MIT.EDU (Sri Kosuri) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:28:48 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] OpenWetWare and Nature Publishing Group Message-ID: <2b0cb7a10607071328w2a1eb872kb87426eec261a32d@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, First, thank you to everyone that helped with drafting the grant and writing letters of support. The proposal is essentially in final form and it took much effort by many of us. Having the document will have benefits beyond this grant, and will help with any new venture or collaboration in the future. The grant will be submitted by the OSP (Office of Sponsered Projects) on Monday, and at that point I will send out a copy of the grant to everyone. Second, we were approached recently by Peter Collins and Greg Urquhart of Nature Publishing Group about strengthening ties between our two groups. For the past few years NPG has been exploring how best to engage communities of scientists more directly, as well as provide new communication tools for them (or so they say). They are interested in forming relationships at many levels depending on our interest: from just general support and help with funding all the way to complete managerial take over of the site. Obviously such an offer, while flattering makes us ask questions about the intentions of such a venture and the trustability of relinquishing control to or even establishing close ties with an old and venerated for-profit publishing group. After giving it some thought, a few of us thought we would put together a reasonable set of offer and then run it by the committee for thoughts/reactions/suggestions/or better proposals that would seem to work. So here goes: In general, we are asking for collaboration at first, and would consider tighter relationships with NPG in the future depending on the success of these initial projects. 1. What we are asking for: NPG and OpenWetWare would form a relationship which could include any or all of the following things: A. Direct support for hardware and/or support for that hardware. B. Direct support of a software developers tasked by the steering committee. Both of these could either take a form of a direct monetary donations, or contractual committments to provide these services through NPG's existing infrastructures. C. A major project chosen by the steering committee is planned and execute independently by NPG in house. For example, NPG could become responsible for development of a personal OWW distribution. This would involve simple installers for Unix, Mac, PC, installation instructions, and simple ways to publish to OWW. The specifications for such software would be made by the Steering Committee, and NPG would produce the software, and committ to continued development for some time period. D. Advertising for OpenWetWare. This is minimal and obvious to some extent. E. Tools that make sense for NPG. For example, a link on all of their papers saying "discuss and comment on OpenWetWare". They would be taking advantage of our existing community and we would get traffic and growth. (and perhaps tools to support this with other publishing groups). 2. What they would recieve: We can also imagine a couple of things that could be pallatable depending on the level of committment and support. A. On every page will be a link to Sponsors. Upon clicking that link, there will be a page describing sponsoring groups and details on how they are helping OpenWetWare. For example, such a page would already include MIT CSBi for server space, and Microsoft iCampus project for seed funding through the end of the year. That page could also describe the current status of any relationship with NPG along with a logo. B. A small NPG image on the bottom of OWW pages (i.e, the CC logo). We need help with all aspects as we are a volunteer effort. We can begin by some modest levels of support for some basic hardware/et cetera as well as people that will help support openwetware. those members would work with OWW on projects of mutual interest. (i.e., the distribution, tighter integration with the literature, et cetera). If the relationship is fruitful for the both of us, we will continue to make stronger committments to each other. So we are asking for your thoughts and comments specifically on these proposals, and also on what proposals you think could work better. Finally, I also should say that of course these discussions are somewhat private, and that they not be disclosed directly on OpenWetWare. So please email me, or the steering committee list if appropriate. Thanks, Sri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-sc/attachments/20060707/f69affb9/attachment-0001.htm From bcanton at MIT.EDU Fri Jul 7 16:45:19 2006 From: bcanton at MIT.EDU (Barry Canton) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:45:19 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] OpenWetWare and Nature Publishing Group In-Reply-To: <2b0cb7a10607071328w2a1eb872kb87426eec261a32d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b0cb7a10607071328w2a1eb872kb87426eec261a32d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52c0d2160607071345k6ddc7c2etc3a002f249098c54@mail.gmail.com> I'm happy with what we would offer NPG. I'm happy with most of what we would receive. Two comments - 1.A&B - I would prefer if NPG provided the staff/hardware rather than the finances as I think it would significantly reduce the work/responsibility of the steering committee. Could they work at MIT but be NPG employee's? 1.C - I like the idea of a major project. We should discuss if the Distribution is the highest priority thing we could get from them. Would it be single best thing that would improve the community or its rate of growth? Furthermore, if the collaboration with NPG were to end after a year or two, we would then be left with the responsibility of maintaining the distribution. Other major projects that might be considered (tagging?) would not require a long-term investment of time/money, which might make them more suitable for a trial collaboration with NPG. Barry On 7/7/06, Sri Kosuri wrote: > > Hello all, > > First, thank you to everyone that helped with drafting the grant and > writing letters of support. The proposal is essentially in final form and > it took much effort by many of us. Having the document will have benefits > beyond this grant, and will help with any new venture or collaboration in > the future. The grant will be submitted by the OSP (Office of Sponsered > Projects) on Monday, and at that point I will send out a copy of the grant > to everyone. > > Second, we were approached recently by Peter Collins and Greg Urquhart of > Nature Publishing Group about strengthening ties between our two groups. > For the past few years NPG has been exploring how best to engage > communities of scientists more directly, as well as provide new > communication tools for them (or so they say). They are interested in > forming relationships at many levels depending on our interest: from just > general support and help with funding all the way to complete managerial > take over of the site. > > Obviously such an offer, while flattering makes us ask questions about the > intentions of such a venture and the trustability of relinquishing control > to or even establishing close ties with an old and venerated for-profit > publishing group. After giving it some thought, a few of us thought we > would put together a reasonable set of offer and then run it by the > committee for thoughts/reactions/suggestions/or better proposals that would > seem to work. So here goes: > > In general, we are asking for collaboration at first, and would consider > tighter relationships with NPG in the future depending on the success of > these initial projects. > > 1. What we are asking for: NPG and OpenWetWare would form a relationship > which could include any or all of the following things: > A. Direct support for hardware and/or support for that hardware. > B. Direct support of a software developers tasked by the steering > committee. > Both of these could either take a form of a direct monetary donations, or > contractual committments to provide these services through NPG's existing > infrastructures. > C. A major project chosen by the steering committee is planned and > execute independently by NPG in house. For example, NPG could become > responsible for development of a personal OWW distribution. This would > involve simple installers for Unix, Mac, PC, installation instructions, and > simple ways to publish to OWW. The specifications for such software would > be made by the Steering Committee, and NPG would produce the software, and > committ to continued development for some time period. > D. Advertising for OpenWetWare. This is minimal and obvious to some > extent. > E. Tools that make sense for NPG. For example, a link on all of their > papers saying "discuss and comment on OpenWetWare". They would be taking > advantage of our existing community and we would get traffic and growth. > (and perhaps tools to support this with other publishing groups). > > 2. What they would recieve: We can also imagine a couple of things that > could be pallatable depending on the level of committment and support. > A. On every page will be a link to Sponsors. Upon clicking that link, > there will be a page describing sponsoring groups and details on how they > are helping OpenWetWare. For example, such a page would already include MIT > CSBi for server space, and Microsoft iCampus project for seed funding > through the end of the year. That page could also describe the current > status of any relationship with NPG along with a logo. > > B. A small NPG image on the bottom of OWW pages (i.e, the CC logo). > We need help with all aspects as we are a volunteer effort. We can begin > by some modest levels of support for some basic hardware/et cetera as well > as people that will help support openwetware. those members would work with > OWW on projects of mutual interest. (i.e., the distribution, tighter > integration with the literature, et cetera). If the relationship is > fruitful for the both of us, we will continue to make stronger committments > to each other. > > So we are asking for your thoughts and comments specifically on these > proposals, and also on what proposals you think could work better. Finally, > I also should say that of course these discussions are somewhat private, and > that they not be disclosed directly on OpenWetWare. So please email me, or > the steering committee list if appropriate. > > Thanks, > Sri > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > sc at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc > > > -- Barry Canton Endy Lab Biological Engineering Division Massachusetts Institute of Technology Tel.:(617) 899 6062 Email1: bcanton at mit.edu Email2: bcanton at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-sc/attachments/20060707/121f5aa5/attachment.htm From endy at MIT.EDU Fri Jul 7 19:16:08 2006 From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:16:08 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] OpenWetWare and Nature Publishing Group In-Reply-To: <2b0cb7a10607071328w2a1eb872kb87426eec261a32d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b0cb7a10607071328w2a1eb872kb87426eec261a32d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <28600330-FE93-4793-B1D2-C41D8A12C532@mit.edu> Sri and everybody, Great work on the first final draft of the grant. Meanwhile, I'm uncomfortable with what's being proposed re: NPG at several levels. Once the grant is edited and submitted on Monday I'll loop back and elaborate. Could we also plan to spend some time on the future of OWW at the next SC meeting? And, might it also be worth considering "splurging" for a 1/2 day SC retreat to discuss issues around this topic at length? Thanks! Drew On Jul 7, 2006, at 4:28 PM, Sri Kosuri wrote: > Hello all, > > First, thank you to everyone that helped with drafting the grant > and writing letters of support. The proposal is essentially in > final form and it took much effort by many of us. Having the > document will have benefits beyond this grant, and will help with > any new venture or collaboration in the future. The grant will be > submitted by the OSP (Office of Sponsered Projects) on Monday, and > at that point I will send out a copy of the grant to everyone. > > Second, we were approached recently by Peter Collins and Greg > Urquhart of Nature Publishing Group about strengthening ties > between our two groups. For the past few years NPG has been > exploring how best to engage communities of scientists more > directly, as well as provide new communication tools for them (or > so they say). They are interested in forming relationships at many > levels depending on our interest: from just general support and > help with funding all the way to complete managerial take over of > the site. > > Obviously such an offer, while flattering makes us ask questions > about the intentions of such a venture and the trustability of > relinquishing control to or even establishing close ties with an > old and venerated for-profit publishing group. After giving it > some thought, a few of us thought we would put together a > reasonable set of offer and then run it by the committee for > thoughts/reactions/suggestions/or better proposals that would seem > to work. So here goes: > > In general, we are asking for collaboration at first, and would > consider tighter relationships with NPG in the future depending on > the success of these initial projects. > > 1. What we are asking for: NPG and OpenWetWare would form a > relationship which could include any or all of the following things: > A. Direct support for hardware and/or support for that hardware. > B. Direct support of a software developers tasked by the steering > committee. > Both of these could either take a form of a direct monetary > donations, or contractual committments to provide these services > through NPG's existing infrastructures. > C. A major project chosen by the steering committee is planned and > execute independently by NPG in house. For example, NPG could > become responsible for development of a personal OWW distribution. > This would involve simple installers for Unix, Mac, PC, > installation instructions, and simple ways to publish to OWW. The > specifications for such software would be made by the Steering > Committee, and NPG would produce the software, and committ to > continued development for some time period. > D. Advertising for OpenWetWare. This is minimal and obvious to > some extent. > E. Tools that make sense for NPG. For example, a link on all of > their papers saying "discuss and comment on OpenWetWare". They > would be taking advantage of our existing community and we would > get traffic and growth. (and perhaps tools to support this with > other publishing groups). > > 2. What they would recieve: We can also imagine a couple of things > that could be pallatable depending on the level of committment and > support. > A. On every page will be a link to Sponsors. Upon clicking that > link, there will be a page describing sponsoring groups and details > on how they are helping OpenWetWare. For example, such a page > would already include MIT CSBi for server space, and Microsoft > iCampus project for seed funding through the end of the year. That > page could also describe the current status of any relationship > with NPG along with a logo. > > B. A small NPG image on the bottom of OWW pages (i.e, the CC logo). > We need help with all aspects as we are a volunteer effort. We can > begin by some modest levels of support for some basic hardware/et > cetera as well as people that will help support openwetware. those > members would work with OWW on projects of mutual interest. (i.e., > the distribution, tighter integration with the literature, et > cetera). If the relationship is fruitful for the both of us, we > will continue to make stronger committments to each other. > > So we are asking for your thoughts and comments specifically on > these proposals, and also on what proposals you think could work > better. Finally, I also should say that of course these > discussions are somewhat private, and that they not be disclosed > directly on OpenWetWare. So please email me, or the steering > committee list if appropriate. > > Thanks, > Sri > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > sc at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc From nkuldell at mit.edu Fri Jul 7 21:16:18 2006 From: nkuldell at mit.edu (natalie kuldell) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:16:18 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] OpenWetWare and Nature Publishing Group In-Reply-To: <2b0cb7a10607071328w2a1eb872kb87426eec261a32d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b0cb7a10607071328w2a1eb872kb87426eec261a32d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sri and SC- I'd like to second Drew's sentiment and congratulate you all on the soon-to-be-submitted NSF proposal. Jason, Sri, and Reshma in particular put in a heroic effort to shepherd the grant submission and I hope the outcome is favorable. The NPG offer deserves some thoughtful consideration, beginning at the next SC meeting. I would like to see the details of the offer considered in the context of a larger discussion describing OWW's future (both the vision and its execution). This larger topic has been raised repeatedly and there seems to be no consensus. I wonder if it would be worth each SC member individually investing some "pre-meeting" time reflecting on what he/she would like OWW to look like/run like 1 year and 5 years from now and come to the next SC meeting ready to articulate priorities. If the agenda for the next SC meeting is too full to accommodate such a discussion then I would favor the 1/2 day splurge that Drew described. Thanks, Natalie >Hello all, > >First, thank you to everyone that helped with drafting the grant and >writing letters of support. The proposal is essentially in final >form and it took much effort by many of us. Having the document >will have benefits beyond this grant, and will help with any new >venture or collaboration in the future. The grant will be submitted >by the OSP (Office of Sponsered Projects) on Monday, and at that >point I will send out a copy of the grant to everyone. > >Second, we were approached recently by Peter Collins and Greg >Urquhart of Nature Publishing Group about strengthening ties between >our two groups. For the past few years NPG has been exploring how >best to engage communities of scientists more directly, as well as >provide new communication tools for them (or so they say). They are >interested in forming relationships at many levels depending on our >interest: from just general support and help with funding all the >way to complete managerial take over of the site. > >Obviously such an offer, while flattering makes us ask questions >about the intentions of such a venture and the trustability of >relinquishing control to or even establishing close ties with an old >and venerated for-profit publishing group. After giving it some >thought, a few of us thought we would put together a reasonable set >of offer and then run it by the committee for >thoughts/reactions/suggestions/or better proposals that would seem >to work. So here goes: > >In general, we are asking for collaboration at first, and would >consider tighter relationships with NPG in the future depending on >the success of these initial projects. > >1. What we are asking for: NPG and OpenWetWare would form a >relationship which could include any or all of the following things: >A. Direct support for hardware and/or support for that hardware. >B. Direct support of a software developers tasked by the steering committee. >Both of these could either take a form of a direct monetary >donations, or contractual committments to provide these services >through NPG's existing infrastructures. >C. A major project chosen by the steering committee is planned and >execute independently by NPG in house. For example, NPG could >become responsible for development of a personal OWW distribution. >This would involve simple installers for Unix, Mac, PC, installation >instructions, and simple ways to publish to OWW. The specifications >for such software would be made by the Steering Committee, and NPG >would produce the software, and committ to continued development for >some time period. >D. Advertising for OpenWetWare. This is minimal and obvious to some extent. >E. Tools that make sense for NPG. For example, a link on all of >their papers saying "discuss and comment on OpenWetWare". They >would be taking advantage of our existing community and we would get >traffic and growth. (and perhaps tools to support this with other >publishing groups). > >2. What they would recieve: We can also imagine a couple of things >that could be pallatable depending on the level of committment and >support. >A. On every page will be a link to Sponsors. Upon clicking that >link, there will be a page describing sponsoring groups and details >on how they are helping OpenWetWare. For example, such a page would >already include MIT CSBi for server space, and Microsoft iCampus >project for seed funding through the end of the year. That page >could also describe the current status of any relationship with NPG >along with a logo. > >B. A small NPG image on the bottom of OWW pages (i.e, the CC logo). >We need help with all aspects as we are a volunteer effort. We can >begin by some modest levels of support for some basic hardware/et >cetera as well as people that will help support openwetware. those >members would work with OWW on projects of mutual interest. (i.e., >the distribution, tighter integration with the literature, et >cetera). If the relationship is fruitful for the both of us, we >will continue to make stronger committments to each other. > >So we are asking for your thoughts and comments specifically on >these proposals, and also on what proposals you think could work >better. Finally, I also should say that of course these discussions >are somewhat private, and that they not be disclosed directly on >OpenWetWare. So please email me, or the steering committee list if >appropriate. > >Thanks, >Sri > >_______________________________________________ >OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List >sc at openwetware.org >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc From johncumbers at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 12:15:16 2006 From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:15:16 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] OpenWetWare and Nature Publishing Group In-Reply-To: References: <2b0cb7a10607071328w2a1eb872kb87426eec261a32d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Yes I agree, the bright lights of NPG are tempting, but dazzling at the same time. Any ideas where to go for a retreat? I know a great place in Rhode Island,but it is a little far from Boston (90 miles down the I95). We could host it at Brown, but it is not much of a retreat. Ideas nearer to Boston? Will the date be this Thursday the 13th? WE might need to provide teleconf. facilites. I set up a page for the retreat, cheers, John On 7/7/06, natalie kuldell wrote: > > Sri and SC- > I'd like to second Drew's sentiment and congratulate you all on the > soon-to-be-submitted NSF proposal. Jason, Sri, and Reshma in > particular put in a heroic effort to shepherd the grant submission > and I hope the outcome is favorable. > > The NPG offer deserves some thoughtful consideration, beginning at > the next SC meeting. I would like to see the details of the offer > considered in the context of a larger discussion describing OWW's > future (both the vision and its execution). This larger topic has > been raised repeatedly and there seems to be no consensus. I wonder > if it would be worth each SC member individually investing some > "pre-meeting" time reflecting on what he/she would like OWW to look > like/run like 1 year and 5 years from now and come to the next SC > meeting ready to articulate priorities. > > If the agenda for the next SC meeting is too full to accommodate such > a discussion then I would favor the 1/2 day splurge that Drew > described. > Thanks, > Natalie > > > > >Hello all, > > > >First, thank you to everyone that helped with drafting the grant and > >writing letters of support. The proposal is essentially in final > >form and it took much effort by many of us. Having the document > >will have benefits beyond this grant, and will help with any new > >venture or collaboration in the future. The grant will be submitted > >by the OSP (Office of Sponsered Projects) on Monday, and at that > >point I will send out a copy of the grant to everyone. > > > >Second, we were approached recently by Peter Collins and Greg > >Urquhart of Nature Publishing Group about strengthening ties between > >our two groups. For the past few years NPG has been exploring how > >best to engage communities of scientists more directly, as well as > >provide new communication tools for them (or so they say). They are > >interested in forming relationships at many levels depending on our > >interest: from just general support and help with funding all the > >way to complete managerial take over of the site. > > > >Obviously such an offer, while flattering makes us ask questions > >about the intentions of such a venture and the trustability of > >relinquishing control to or even establishing close ties with an old > >and venerated for-profit publishing group. After giving it some > >thought, a few of us thought we would put together a reasonable set > >of offer and then run it by the committee for > >thoughts/reactions/suggestions/or better proposals that would seem > >to work. So here goes: > > > >In general, we are asking for collaboration at first, and would > >consider tighter relationships with NPG in the future depending on > >the success of these initial projects. > > > >1. What we are asking for: NPG and OpenWetWare would form a > >relationship which could include any or all of the following things: > >A. Direct support for hardware and/or support for that hardware. > >B. Direct support of a software developers tasked by the steering > committee. > >Both of these could either take a form of a direct monetary > >donations, or contractual committments to provide these services > >through NPG's existing infrastructures. > >C. A major project chosen by the steering committee is planned and > >execute independently by NPG in house. For example, NPG could > >become responsible for development of a personal OWW distribution. > >This would involve simple installers for Unix, Mac, PC, installation > >instructions, and simple ways to publish to OWW. The specifications > >for such software would be made by the Steering Committee, and NPG > >would produce the software, and committ to continued development for > >some time period. > >D. Advertising for OpenWetWare. This is minimal and obvious to some > extent. > >E. Tools that make sense for NPG. For example, a link on all of > >their papers saying "discuss and comment on OpenWetWare". They > >would be taking advantage of our existing community and we would get > >traffic and growth. (and perhaps tools to support this with other > >publishing groups). > > > >2. What they would recieve: We can also imagine a couple of things > >that could be pallatable depending on the level of committment and > >support. > >A. On every page will be a link to Sponsors. Upon clicking that > >link, there will be a page describing sponsoring groups and details > >on how they are helping OpenWetWare. For example, such a page would > >already include MIT CSBi for server space, and Microsoft iCampus > >project for seed funding through the end of the year. That page > >could also describe the current status of any relationship with NPG > >along with a logo. > > > >B. A small NPG image on the bottom of OWW pages (i.e, the CC logo). > >We need help with all aspects as we are a volunteer effort. We can > >begin by some modest levels of support for some basic hardware/et > >cetera as well as people that will help support openwetware. those > >members would work with OWW on projects of mutual interest. (i.e., > >the distribution, tighter integration with the literature, et > >cetera). If the relationship is fruitful for the both of us, we > >will continue to make stronger committments to each other. > > > >So we are asking for your thoughts and comments specifically on > >these proposals, and also on what proposals you think could work > >better. Finally, I also should say that of course these discussions > >are somewhat private, and that they not be disclosed directly on > >OpenWetWare. So please email me, or the steering committee list if > >appropriate. > > > >Thanks, > >Sri > > > >_______________________________________________ > >OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > >sc at openwetware.org > >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > sc at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc > -- John Cumbers, Graduate Student in Computational Biology Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA USA: +1 401 523 8190, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-sc/attachments/20060709/a40c40ff/attachment.htm From austin at csail.mit.edu Mon Jul 10 17:11:59 2006 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:11:59 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] wiki database Message-ID: <87irm5qi5c.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> I don't remember who brought up the idea of user databases on the wiki but a request for comment was just posted to a mediawiki list on an extension that could be quite useful. See the demo site (look at the tutorial): http://www.kennel17.co.uk/testwiki/WikiDB If anyone has ideas for database features, it seems like we have someone who may actually implement those features. Here's the message from Mark Clements: From: HappyDog Subject: Request For Comment: Wiki Database Newsgroups: gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical Date: 2006-07-10 12:34:40 GMT (8 hours and 33 minutes ago) I have been working on the design of a wiki-style database extension to MediaWiki. If you can't be bothered to read the description and want to jump right into a demo, then skip to the bottom of this mail. WikiDB is a MediaWiki extension that adds a new type of namespace and a couple of extra tags to the MediaWiki software. After installing the extension you are able to set up a table namespace in which you can define table structures. No table needs to be defined in order to add data to it, and data may be located anywhere on the wiki. This means that you can keep record-type data inside the article it applies to, rather than being forced to add it to a central store. In the true 'wiki way', if you have information to add, you can add it straight away, without requiring that a formal structure be set up in advance. Other people can come and refactor your work later, once a structure is in place. Defining a table structure adds additional functionality that allows you to validate and format data and this structure (as with any wiki page) can be modified at any time. For example if you have an 'Albums' table, you can specify, for example, that the 'year of release' field should be a date. This will then cause all records that don't fit this definition to be flagged up. Change the definition to 'integer between 1850 and 2006' and it will highlight the rows that are invalid under the new definition. The important thing to note is that no data is affected - when displaying any data it is interpreted according to current the field type, so changing the field type changes how it is _displayed_, but not how it is _stored_. Finally, you are able to query the database for information from any table and format it for display within any wiki page (again, no table definition required). Ultimately this will allow complicated queries that include join expressions and the like, although it is currently quite (very!) basic. This extension is at a very early (but working) stage of development, and this is a request for comment from the MediaWiki community. I am looking for input at all levels - from code-optimisation to syntax to usage issues. I have set up a demo on my testwiki (www.kennel17.co.uk/testwiki) which gives a bit of an introduction to the extension and some details about implementation. I will be adding to this as I go on. The main URL for the extension is www.kennel17.co.uk/testwiki/WikiDB. Please bear the following points in mind: * The extension is in a very early stage of development. Core functionality is in place, but many planned features are currently lacking (including some of those mentioned above). * The syntax is currently fairly long-winded for certain tasks. This will be streamlined (suggestions welcome) but it is sufficient for proof-of-concept. * There has been very little optimisation, and there is a lot of potential for it. I welcome advice on this matter, but do not be put off by speed/efficiency of the current version. Thank you for reading - I look forward to your feedback. -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From ilyas at MIT.EDU Mon Jul 10 18:46:57 2006 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:46:57 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] Interview Looks at How and Why Wikipedia Works Message-ID: <44B2D8E1.7050103@mit.edu> In case you haven't seen this yet: http://slashdot.org/articles/06/07/10/0353220.shtml Ilya From endy at MIT.EDU Mon Jul 10 19:16:01 2006 From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:16:01 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] tks! Message-ID: <1696532F-08C1-4615-961C-29264B167373@mit.edu> OWW SC, Thanks for your letter of support for the OpenWetWare grant application to the NSF. The grant was successfully submitted today, largely due to the work of Sri Kosuri, Reshma Shetty, Jason Kelly, and many others. A PDF copy of the project description is online here: http://openwetware.org/images/7/72/OWWv17.pdf Thumbs pressed, Drew ____ Drew Endy MIT Biological Engineering http://mit.edu/endy/ From yeem at MIT.EDU Mon Jul 10 21:03:00 2006 From: yeem at MIT.EDU (M. Yee) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OWW-SC] When Wikipedia Fails Message-ID: Counterpoint to earlier /. article sent out by Ilya: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/10/2224223 From martin_jambon at emailuser.net Mon Jul 10 21:44:36 2006 From: martin_jambon at emailuser.net (Martin Jambon) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:44:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OWW-SC] When Wikipedia Fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, M. Yee wrote: > Counterpoint to earlier /. article sent out by Ilya: > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/10/2224223 Ah, slashdot, what a wonderful source of information! Martin -- Martin Jambon, PhD http://martin.jambon.free.fr Sandy: "Don't you have to be stupid somewhere else?" Patrick: "Not until four." From johncumbers at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 23:12:25 2006 From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:12:25 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] Video on the front page? Image of the week? Message-ID: Hi all, I've been slack with the highlights recently, I apologize. But.. the latest one has a cool video with it. Is it too much to embed it in the front page? I've put a few more ideas down to get some cool images and interesting video onto the site, how about an "image of the week" or "video of the month" You can discuss all here if you are interested. Cheers, John -- John Cumbers, Graduate Student in Computational Biology Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA USA: +1 401 523 8190, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-sc/attachments/20060710/501563fd/attachment.htm From jasonk at MIT.EDU Tue Jul 11 02:49:48 2006 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:49:48 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] Steering Committee Meeting Thursday @ Noon EST Message-ID: <7c085c480607102349q2a40c16fi996a17a0d23d51f5@mail.gmail.com> Hi SC, The retreat sounds like a good idea, but from polling folks, I think the grant-writing may have burned people out a bit for it to be this week. We'll try and schedule the retreat for some time in late July/early August instead. Location TBD, suggestions welcome. In the meantime, we will still be having the normally scheduled SC meeting this Thursday at Noon EST. We will be devoting ~30 min to discussing the NPG offer, so please come with comments and thoughts. Agenda here, please add/edit: http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee/Meeting_-_July_2006#Agenda Thanks, Jason On 7/9/06, John Cumbers wrote: > Hi all, > Yes I agree, the bright lights of NPG are tempting, but dazzling at the same > time. Any ideas where to go for a retreat? I know a great place in Rhode > Island, but it is a little far from Boston (90 miles down the I95). We > could host it at Brown, but it is not much of a retreat. Ideas nearer to > Boston? Will the date be this Thursday the 13th? WE might need to provide > teleconf. facilites. I set up a page for the retreat, > cheers, > John > > > > On 7/7/06, natalie kuldell wrote: > > Sri and SC- > > I'd like to second Drew's sentiment and congratulate you all on the > > soon-to-be-submitted NSF proposal. Jason, Sri, and Reshma in > > particular put in a heroic effort to shepherd the grant submission > > and I hope the outcome is favorable. > > > > The NPG offer deserves some thoughtful consideration, beginning at > > the next SC meeting. I would like to see the details of the offer > > considered in the context of a larger discussion describing OWW's > > future (both the vision and its execution). This larger topic has > > been raised repeatedly and there seems to be no consensus. I wonder > > if it would be worth each SC member individually investing some > > "pre-meeting" time reflecting on what he/she would like OWW to look > > like/run like 1 year and 5 years from now and come to the next SC > > meeting ready to articulate priorities. > > > > If the agenda for the next SC meeting is too full to accommodate such > > a discussion then I would favor the 1/2 day splurge that Drew > > described. > > Thanks, > > Natalie > > > > > > > > >Hello all, > > > > > >First, thank you to everyone that helped with drafting the grant and > > >writing letters of support. The proposal is essentially in final > > >form and it took much effort by many of us. Having the document > > >will have benefits beyond this grant, and will help with any new > > >venture or collaboration in the future. The grant will be submitted > > >by the OSP (Office of Sponsered Projects) on Monday, and at that > > >point I will send out a copy of the grant to everyone. > > > > > >Second, we were approached recently by Peter Collins and Greg > > >Urquhart of Nature Publishing Group about strengthening ties between > > >our two groups. For the past few years NPG has been exploring how > > >best to engage communities of scientists more directly, as well as > > >provide new communication tools for them (or so they say). They are > > >interested in forming relationships at many levels depending on our > > >interest: from just general support and help with funding all the > > >way to complete managerial take over of the site. > > > > > >Obviously such an offer, while flattering makes us ask questions > > >about the intentions of such a venture and the trustability of > > >relinquishing control to or even establishing close ties with an old > > >and venerated for-profit publishing group. After giving it some > > >thought, a few of us thought we would put together a reasonable set > > >of offer and then run it by the committee for > > >thoughts/reactions/suggestions/or better proposals that > would seem > > >to work. So here goes: > > > > > >In general, we are asking for collaboration at first, and would > > >consider tighter relationships with NPG in the future depending on > > >the success of these initial projects. > > > > > >1. What we are asking for: NPG and OpenWetWare would form a > > >relationship which could include any or all of the following things: > > >A. Direct support for hardware and/or support for that hardware. > > >B. Direct support of a software developers tasked by the steering > committee. > > >Both of these could either take a form of a direct monetary > > >donations, or contractual committments to provide these services > > >through NPG's existing infrastructures. > > >C. A major project chosen by the steering committee is planned and > > >execute independently by NPG in house. For example, NPG could > > >become responsible for development of a personal OWW distribution. > > >This would involve simple installers for Unix, Mac, PC, installation > > >instructions, and simple ways to publish to OWW. The specifications > > >for such software would be made by the Steering Committee, and NPG > > >would produce the software, and committ to continued development for > > >some time period. > > >D. Advertising for OpenWetWare. This is minimal and obvious to some > extent. > > >E. Tools that make sense for NPG. For example, a link on all of > > >their papers saying "discuss and comment on OpenWetWare". They > > >would be taking advantage of our existing community and we would get > > >traffic and growth. (and perhaps tools to support this with other > > >publishing groups). > > > > > >2. What they would recieve: We can also imagine a couple of things > > >that could be pallatable depending on the level of committment and > > >support. > > >A. On every page will be a link to Sponsors. Upon clicking that > > >link, there will be a page describing sponsoring groups and details > > >on how they are helping OpenWetWare. For example, such a page would > > >already include MIT CSBi for server space, and Microsoft iCampus > > >project for seed funding through the end of the year. That page > > >could also describe the current status of any relationship with NPG > > >along with a logo. > > > > > >B. A small NPG image on the bottom of OWW pages (i.e, the CC logo). > > >We need help with all aspects as we are a volunteer effort. We can > > >begin by some modest levels of support for some basic hardware/et > > >cetera as well as people that will help support openwetware. those > > >members would work with OWW on projects of mutual interest. (i.e ., > > >the distribution, tighter integration with the literature, et > > >cetera). If the relationship is fruitful for the both of us, we > > >will continue to make stronger committments to each other. > > > > > >So we are asking for your thoughts and comments specifically on > > >these proposals, and also on what proposals you think could work > > >better. Finally, I also should say that of course these discussions > > >are somewhat private, and that they not be disclosed directly on > > >OpenWetWare. So please email me, or the steering committee list if > > >appropriate. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Sri > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > > >sc at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > > sc at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc > > > > > > -- > John Cumbers, Graduate Student in Computational Biology > Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W > 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA > USA: +1 401 523 8190, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > sc at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc > > > From jasonk at MIT.EDU Wed Jul 12 20:53:58 2006 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:53:58 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] Steering Committee Meeting Tomorrow Message-ID: <7c085c480607121753u442617eega6e32f4c5df73c45@mail.gmail.com> Just a reminder that the meeting is at Noon EST tomorrow (Thursday). To echo Natalie & Drew's comments, please try and give some thought ahead of time to where you would like to see OWW going in the long term. Thanks, Jason agenda here: http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee/Meeting_-_July_2006 teleconference #: 617-452-5190 From jennyn at MIT.EDU Thu Jul 13 16:44:05 2006 From: jennyn at MIT.EDU (Jenny Nguyen) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:44:05 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] Removing Inactive Lab Pages e-mail draft Message-ID: <20060713164405.ygivp51a0z5s000o@webmail.mit.edu> Below is a draft of the "removing inactive lab pages" initiative. Please read through and let me know your thoughts. I have posted it here: http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/Jennyn_lab_page_activate Please post any edits or suggestions on the link above. Thanks, Jenny -------------------------------- Dear [Lab], We're currently in the process of cleaning-up our front page on OpenWetWare and would like to invite you to activate your lab wiki page! To help get started in creating a lab page, try our step-by-step Getting Started tutorial: http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Getting_started. Here, you can find templates where you can simply copy-and-paste to your page, or you can create your own unique look. Need some examples? MIT's Lauffenburger Lab: http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/Lauffenburger_Lab or Imperial's Cristani Lab: http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/Crisanti:Crisanti_Lab Unfortunately, due to our cleaning process, we will be removing inactive lab pages on [3 weeks from sent e-mail date]. We hope you consider activating your lab page on OpenWetWare! If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to e-mail me back. Thanks! From jasonk at MIT.EDU Thu Jul 13 20:39:13 2006 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:39:13 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] SC Meeting Notes / Please Comment on Retreat Agenda Message-ID: <7c085c480607131739k5f81d814g2dfb5aa8bd6a4df3@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks, I updated the agenda with notes from the meeting (and action items), and seeded discussion pages based on some of the topics brought up for further review, you can find it all here: http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee/Meeting_-_July_2006 Also, a discussion of particular importance is the planning of the retreat agenda, please comment here: http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare_steering_committee/SC_retreat Thanks, Jason From endy at MIT.EDU Mon Jul 17 15:29:16 2006 From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:29:16 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] Unique Author Identification Number in Scientific Databases: A Suggestion Message-ID: <62946271-679C-4F48-81B7-58E98AB3DCC9@mit.edu> FYI. [I tried to figure out the best place to post this on OWW but gave up]. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pmed.0030249 http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get- document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0030249 From jasonk at MIT.EDU Tue Jul 18 11:54:15 2006 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:54:15 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW retreat Message-ID: <7c085c480607180854s338cd26bm376e8f398847f211@mail.gmail.com> Hi Folks, The OWW retreat discussed at the last meeting will be held at MIT, next Tuesday (7/25). We'll be starting at 1pm, talking about OWW for the afternoon, and then going out for dinner afterwards. Apologies for the short notice, but would like to get this done as soon as possible. Please let me know if you can't make all or some of it. The room location is TBD. The agenda is wide open right now -- please go here to work on it: http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare_steering_committee/SC_retreat If you are away form Boston, but in driving/bus distance we would love to have you here in person. Please let me know if you're going to come up and we can arrange travel reimbursement. Finally, we'll have teleconferencing available as well. Thanks, really looking forward to this, jason From johncumbers at gmail.com Tue Jul 18 22:45:39 2006 From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:45:39 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] Using Skype for teleconferencing.. Re: OWW retreat Message-ID: Hi all, If anyone is thinking of teleconferencing in for this then please drop me a mail, I'll be coming to Boston but I usually teleconference in and I'm keen to get Skype working so we could have a practice with the a number of people beforehand. cheers, John On 7/18/06, Jason Kelly wrote: > > Hi Folks, > The OWW retreat discussed at the last meeting will be held at MIT, > next Tuesday (7/25). We'll be starting at 1pm, talking about OWW for > the afternoon, and then going out for dinner afterwards. Apologies > for the short notice, but would like to get this done as soon as > possible. Please let me know if you can't make all or some of it. > > The room location is TBD. The agenda is wide open right now -- please > go here to work on it: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare_steering_committee/SC_retreat > > If you are away form Boston, but in driving/bus distance we would love > to have you here in person. Please let me know if you're going to > come up and we can arrange travel reimbursement. Finally, we'll have > teleconferencing available as well. > > Thanks, really looking forward to this, > jason > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > sc at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc > -- John Cumbers, Graduate Student in Computational Biology Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA USA: +1 401 523 8190, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-sc/attachments/20060718/d835d884/attachment.htm From endy at MIT.EDU Wed Jul 19 13:41:19 2006 From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:41:19 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] quick question re: simple wiki? Message-ID: James Anderson of NIGMS asked to inquire about improved text editing interfaces for use with wikis. I.e., instead of our current wikimedia "edit" interface is there something that would more readily support text editing by folks like Graham Walker and Bob Sauer? I.e., what's the simplest editing interface for wiki-based text? Also, is there a person or group who is expert on this topic (either within OWW or not)? Perhaps a team that is developing still simpler interfaces? From ilyas at MIT.EDU Wed Jul 19 13:46:31 2006 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:46:31 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] quick question re: simple wiki? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44BE6FF7.80807@mit.edu> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor Ilya Drew Endy wrote: > James Anderson of NIGMS asked to inquire about improved text editing > interfaces for use with wikis. I.e., instead of our current > wikimedia "edit" interface is there something that would more readily > support text editing by folks like Graham Walker and Bob Sauer? > > I.e., what's the simplest editing interface for wiki-based text? > > Also, is there a person or group who is expert on this topic (either > within OWW or not)? Perhaps a team that is developing still simpler > interfaces? > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > sc at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc From endy at MIT.EDU Wed Jul 19 13:49:16 2006 From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:49:16 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] quick question re: simple wiki? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm looking for something that my plants could use. Something really simple. No markup language, wysiwyg, etc. Drew On Jul 19, 2006, at 1:46 PM, M. Yee wrote: > > Drew, > > Not sure if I understand the question. There's an option (in > Wikipedia at > least) to specify an external editor to edit text. So your favorite > editing application (emacs, vim, etc) can be used. Were you looking > for > something like the editors they have for programming languages like C > that'll highly open parentheses and whatnot? > > Mike Yee > > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Drew Endy wrote: > >> James Anderson of NIGMS asked to inquire about improved text editing >> interfaces for use with wikis. I.e., instead of our current >> wikimedia "edit" interface is there something that would more readily >> support text editing by folks like Graham Walker and Bob Sauer? >> >> I.e., what's the simplest editing interface for wiki-based text? >> >> Also, is there a person or group who is expert on this topic (either >> within OWW or not)? Perhaps a team that is developing still simpler >> interfaces? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List >> sc at openwetware.org >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc >> From austin at csail.mit.edu Wed Jul 19 13:56:40 2006 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:56:40 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] quick question re: simple wiki? In-Reply-To: <44BE6FF7.80807@mit.edu> (Ilya Sytchev's message of "Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:46:31 -0400") References: <44BE6FF7.80807@mit.edu> Message-ID: <878xmp5vhj.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Ilya Sytchev rambled indiscreetly: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor This page doesn't mention wikiwyg (at least I couldn't find it). http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiwyg I looked at it previously and had made a passing attempt at getting it to work with OWW, but had some problems. It appears to only work with Firefox. See the standalone demo and judge for yourself whether your plants can use it: http://demo.wikiwyg.net/wikiwyg/demo/standalone/ -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From skosuri at MIT.EDU Wed Jul 19 14:39:06 2006 From: skosuri at MIT.EDU (Sri Kosuri) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:39:06 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] quick question re: simple wiki? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2b0cb7a10607191139i137c6c9axf973d6dc844f80bf@mail.gmail.com> Not sure I understand exactly what you mean Drew (Do you mean parents or plants?). There currently is a barrier to use MediaWiki in that you have to learn wiki text and familiarize yourself with the interface. MediaWiki, WikiPedia, and many in the OpenSource community understand this and are developing next generation editing technologies (as mentioned, the WikiWyg project is most developed http://www.wikiwyg.net ). These editing technologies is supposed to be increasingly WYSIWIG (What You See Is What You Get). You mentioned that this wouldn't be sufficient Drew. If this is not what you mean, what specifically are the barriers besides making editing more transparent? There are a few things I could imagine that would help Bob Sauer help on the wiki. Streamlining the amount of information presented on any particular page (instead of having mountains of links at the left and top, have drop down lists that simplify presentation of what you can do). We could also integrate the extensions we use into the whatever method we use to edit, whether that be WikiText or WYSIWIG (e.g., a pop-up box to cite a reference, automatic naming given our conventions, et cetera). Sri On 7/19/06, Drew Endy wrote: > > I'm looking for something that my plants could use. Something really > simple. No markup language, wysiwyg, etc. > > Drew > > > On Jul 19, 2006, at 1:46 PM, M. Yee wrote: > > > > > Drew, > > > > Not sure if I understand the question. There's an option (in > > Wikipedia at > > least) to specify an external editor to edit text. So your favorite > > editing application (emacs, vim, etc) can be used. Were you looking > > for > > something like the editors they have for programming languages like C > > that'll highly open parentheses and whatnot? > > > > Mike Yee > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Drew Endy wrote: > > > >> James Anderson of NIGMS asked to inquire about improved text editing > >> interfaces for use with wikis. I.e., instead of our current > >> wikimedia "edit" interface is there something that would more readily > >> support text editing by folks like Graham Walker and Bob Sauer? > >> > >> I.e., what's the simplest editing interface for wiki-based text? > >> > >> Also, is there a person or group who is expert on this topic (either > >> within OWW or not)? Perhaps a team that is developing still simpler > >> interfaces? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > >> sc at openwetware.org > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc > >> > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List > sc at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-sc/attachments/20060719/06bb3cff/attachment.htm From jasonk at MIT.EDU Thu Jul 20 16:48:17 2006 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:48:17 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] teleconferencing to the retreat Message-ID: <7c085c480607201348m164cad3ey9b3f4cbcb07ba92@mail.gmail.com> If you are planning on calling in to the retreat on Tuesday please shoot me an email. Also, please add topics to the agenda: http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare_steering_committee/SC_retreat Thanks, Jason From johncumbers at gmail.com Sun Jul 23 14:16:24 2006 From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:16:24 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] BioSysBio abstract submission to OpenWetWare Message-ID: Dear steering committee, I had brought up at a past meeting about the possibly of using openwetware for abstract submissions to the BioSysBio conference (www.biosysbio.com). I started a discussion here , a proposal here and just set up a draft page and abstract here I wanted to confirm that people are happy with the plan and that we can go ahead with accepting abstracts. I've outlined the plan below and the advantages and disadvantages that came out of the discussion. Please let me have any comments or post them to the wiki. cheers, John Outline (from mails between conference organising committee) So we have decided that the Wiki option on OpenWetWare.org would be best for submitting abstracts. We decided not to do an open review of abstracts on-line, but allow people to comment. People will get assigned a page to publish their abstract on, take a look how it might work here: http://openwetware.org/wiki/BioSysBio:abstracts Advantages: *This is much easier to organise the submission and review if the abstracts are open *First page should be space limited, but an infinite number of pages could be linked to for follow up information. *Public abstracts should increase the quality of those submitted *Forming an on-line community before the conference *Allow others to comment/discuss the abstracts *Novel form of on-line publishing Disadvantages: *Will people want to submit an abstract to the world 4 months before the conference? (normally it would remain private until the conference) *vandalism of others abstracts (I think unlikely) *people have to learn how to use the wiki (or could just post a jpg of a word document of they really can't do it) *we have to delete any abstracts that are not selected from the site. -- John Cumbers, Graduate Student in Computational Biology Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W 80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA USA: +1 401 523 8190, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-sc/attachments/20060723/7017109a/attachment.htm From jasonk at MIT.EDU Mon Jul 24 21:58:54 2006 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:58:54 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW retreat tomorrow - agenda updated Message-ID: <7c085c480607241858p6e1368f7k54f5bb82f46765fe@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks, We've posted an agenda for tomorrow - please try and take a look at it prior to the meeting. In particular, as a way to figure out a mission (e.g "what OWW is"), we outlined some of the more contentious issues that have faced the steering committee. (some of which have been addressed, others which remain undecided). We're hoping that by talking about some of these issues we can get a better feel for the goals of the site, and hopefully outline a crisp mission that will help guide future decisions by the steering committee. Try and think about the issues listed before the meeting if you have time. http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare_steering_committee/SC_retreat (also, please feel free to edit/add to the agenda) Thanks, see you all tomorrow! Jason & Sri From jasonk at MIT.EDU Tue Jul 25 13:00:44 2006 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:00:44 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] Fwd: OWW Meeting - Some thoughts In-Reply-To: <20060725124945.2o2xb9uvo9sgw8sc@webmail.mit.edu> References: <20060725124945.2o2xb9uvo9sgw8sc@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <7c085c480607251000o1c751dc3v4073b7ec943fd798@mail.gmail.com> comments from peter sorger for the retreat. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Sorger Date: Jul 25, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: OWW Meeting - Some thoughts To: jasonk at mit.edu, Sri Kosuri , Andrew D Endy Cc: Jay Copeland , Jeremy Muhlich Sorry I can't make your meeting for OWW. Jay will be there though. For what it is worth, here some of my thoughts on the questions in the agenda... Research Laboratory Communities * Users have requested private pages on the wiki, for sharing sensitive information amongst collaborators. o Usually we can enable both collaboration and open sharing, but in this case they butt heads - what is the priority for OWW in this case? * Users have requested a distribution of OWW to run locally in their labs with easy mechanisms to post content to the main OWW site. o Is it worth our time to develop tools that are useful to biological researchers independent of the OWW site? - YES BUT ONLY IF OWW CAN GET FUNDING FOR THIS PURPOSE * Labs use OWW as their lab/collaboration (syntheticbiology.org) homepage o How actively do we encourage this (vs. contributing to the shared information resources)? I THINK THESE GO HAND IN HAND. I WOULD BE LIBERAL ABOUT HOME PAGES UNTIL THE CAPACITY OF THE SERVERS ARE STRETCHED. I WOULD HAVE A POLICY ON REMOVING INACTIVE HOMEPAGES - MAYBE IF NO EDITS IN 12 MONTHS THEN OFF TO ARCHIVE + Is there a way to let these "specialized" collaborations occur while encouraging/requiring some contribution to shared resources? Should we be more explicit with rules? i.e. some of your content must contribute to the OWW community as a whole if you are going to host your site on OWW; you can't be an independent unit that doesn't "interact" with the rest of the community. + Doesn't having content in the OWW domain make the interaction with the rest of the community automatic? I THINK THIS IS TRUE. RULES WOULD BE HARD TO POLICE. BETTER TO MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO SHARE THAN FORCE THEM TO * Labs unaffialited with biology have requested to be on OWW, up till now we have rejected their requests. o Should we remain solely a biology resource? If so, where is the line between biology and the rest of science/engineering? AGAIN _ CAN YOU BE LIBERAL ABOUT THIS? I WOULD CERTAINLY TRY TO INCLUDE MEDICAL GROUPS AND BIO-ENGINEERING ETC ETC, BUT IN CASE OF NO BIOLOGY LINK THEN I WOULD ENCOURAGE DOWNLOAD AND OWN SITE. THIS WOULD BE AIDED BY HAVING AN OWW DISTRIBUTION + Need to have a clear "definition" of biology to do this. May need a more formal mechanism (by committee?) to decide who can join. How is this decided now? HOW ABOUT USING THE DEFIINITIION IN PUBMED? IF YOUR ARTICLES ARE PUBLISHED IN PUBMED THEN YOU ARE IN. + What are the worries about other sciences joining? Is it because of a scientific culture clash, or is it more pragmatic (like handling more data than we can)? At the moment, biology is welcoming fresh eyes from a variety of traditional fields like physics and applied mathematics, so it seems like limiting participation to biology only will be a fuzzy endeavor. o Are ethicists, policy-makers, science reporters, etc, included in our community? YES - PROBABLY. WORTH THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD DO FOR COMMERCIAL USERS o There are currently some non-biology groups and users on the site. Do we reevaluate the eligibility of all current users on the site to ensure everyone fits into our community guidelines and remove those who don't? NEED TO BE CONSISTENT HERE I THINK. JUST MAKE SURE DEFINITION BROAD ENOUGH YOU DON"T KICK MANY PEOPLE OFF! [edit] Shared information resources * Users have developed shared information resources pages - such as protocols, materials, equipment, strains, etc. o Users also put up their own versions of protocols, materials, etc, should we encourage either approach over the other? ENCOURAGE SHARED RESROUCE AND LOOK INTO POSSIBILITY THAT THESE SHOULD BE CITED - USING A STABLE URL OR IDENTIFIER!! IF PEOPLE SAW THEIR OWW CONTIRBUTIONS CITED IN STANDARD LITERATURE THEN YOU WOULD GET A BIG BOOST IN ENTHUSIASM AND WOULD INCENTIVIZE SHARING [edit] Education * There have been a couple courses taught using OWW. OWW was useful for course development, increasing student involvement, reusing materials, and course improvements. Research communities have used some of the course materials as well. o Do we have any restrictions on the type of course that can be hosted on OWW? Should it be limited to lab courses, biology courses, etc? o There are HS Biology Olympiad pages on OWW, should we allow that to continue? o Should we have non-researcher students on the site? + Is OWW only a resource for current researchers or is it also a vehicle to encourage new people to explore/participate in research? [edit] Publishing * John is using OWW to allow for feedback on submitted abstracts, others have posted lab notebooks, preliminary results, drafts of papers for publication, etc. o Do we want to encourage the development of OWW as an alternative publishing platform? I WOULD BE CAREFUL HERE - LOTS OF OPEN SOURCE PUBLICATION EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY AND IT WILL BE HARD TO COMPETE. YOU WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO START CHARGING $$ IF YOU WANTED THIS> ALSO, FEEDBACK NEEDS TO BE CONTAINED SO YOU DO NOT GET PERSONAL ATTACKS/SLANDER + Does OWW want to serve as a tool/resource to aid in the traditional publication process (i.e. post preliminary results, drafts, etc. with the aim that they will eventually lead to a publication in a journal), or does OWW want to promote a new publication model? The latter could mean that results and 'articles' posted and developed on OWW could serve as the end publication - one that can be read and commented, and ever perhaps edited by the whole community. Or maybe OWW is the apropriate place to discuss and figure out what an alternative publishing model is. AGAIN, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A DISTRACTION FOR AN EFFORT THAT NEEDS TO FOCUS ON WHAT IT IS ALREADY DOING WELL!! + If we do this, are we responsible for figuring out how this may or may not impact publication of similar material in more traditional formats? i.e. Does OWW have a responsibility to its users to inform them of what publication/ownership rights they may be giving up by posting things on the site? NO - USERS ARE RESPONDISBLE FOR FIGURING THIS OUT [edit] Meta * Are we restricting ourselves by defining a mission itself. Currently, we allow almost everything that has to do with biology on the site. This has allowed us to take advantage of opportunities that individuals have started, and usurp them into the larger mission of OWW. However, it also puts us in a dillemma when we have to consider where to pool our resources to make improvements. What do people think? STAY AWAY FROM PUBLISHING. FOCUS ON HOME PAGES, PEOPLE, PROTOCOLS, IGEM etc FOR NOW [edit] Problems * No agreed upon mechanism for making official decisions * No clear spokesperson to interact with press, 3rd parties, etc. * How best to involve new (non-local) people in leadership of the site. HOST QUARTERLY WEB_ENABLED MEETINGS> SEE WHO PARTCIPATES [edit] Options * How do people feel about setting in place an organizational structure for next 6 months based on the current adhoc leadership. This will give them explicit authority, rather than the current implicit approach. Secondly, all major decisions not directly related to the sub-positions will be made by majority vote of the steering committee. TO be clear the sub-positions are: YES - THIS IS GOOD APPROACH, MAKE IT ONE YEAR 1. SC Coordinator - organizes SC meetings 2. SC Secretary - takes meeting notes, organizes the SC wiki area 3. Site administration team (may need leader) - keeps site infrastructure functioning and updated 4. Spokesperson - talks to cold calling 3rd parties - individuals would still be able to setup new interactions independent of the spokesperson, e.g. reshma talking to OCW * During the next 6 months a group will be responsible for defining the long-term organizational structure and it would be voted on by the SC in December. or if we have time we can figure all this out today :). THREE OTHER ISSUES: 1. IF YOU EVER WANT FEDERAL MONEY YOU NEED TO CLEARLY ACKNOLEDGE SUPPORT IN LINK AT PORTAL PAGE> I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT THIS IS EXAMINED CAREFULLY> ULTIMATELY< NIH ETC HAVE MADE EVERTHING DONE SO FAR POSSIBLE 2. YOU MAY NEED A POLICY ON ADVERTISING -= ie NON! - ESPECIALLY WHEN COMMERCIAL ORGANIZATIONS BECOME AWARE OF IMPACT. PEOPLE WILL WANT TO SELL ANTIBODIES THROUGH THE SITE I BET. 3. YOU COULD CONSIDER TRYING TO RAISE MONEY FROM USERS ALONG THE LINES OF FREELY DOWNLOADABLE SOFTWARE THAT ASKS FOR PAYMENT AFTER SOME TIME> THIS WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE SENSE FOR LABS WITH HOME PAGES ON YOUR SITE> IF YOU USE A PAYPAL SORT OF PAYMENT SYSTEM YOU CAN GET AUDITED BALANCES AUTOMATICALLY AND AVOID ANY HASTLE WITH CREDIT CARDS ETC. -- Peter Sorger Room 68-371 MIT 77 Mass Ave Cambridge MA 02139 617-252-1648 617-253-8550 Admin Assistant: Haley Salinas Haley_Salinas at hms.harvard.edu From endy at MIT.EDU Tue Jul 25 18:01:54 2006 From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:01:54 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] DE's OWW SC notes Message-ID: <737AAA77-FAD8-4F5C-8615-8F8853E7FDE8@mit.edu> *** Things That Need to Happen *** 1. Hardware: Need plan to move to new hardware and server configuration w/in 12 months. Jay Copeland suggests having a backup machine that's synch'd every night and that is ready to go online in a snap (i.e., DNS worked out ahead of time). Also need to protect the building against "slashdoting" and so on (i.e., need a hosting site that will keep OWW from becoming a DNS focal point for building 68). These points are serious enough that they need to be resolved ASAP. 2. Hardware Support: Need plan to support hardware and software. Should involve some basic IT support, and support for a development environment. Even something as simple as updating the MediaWiki software requires that somebody back-check that our existing OWW extensions work. 3. Consider filing trademark applications on "OpenWetWare" in US (and perhaps UK, EU, China, India, and Japan)? 4. Consider establishing organizational recognition w/in MIT. This would include gaining an MIT account (for donation purposes). 5. Develop longer term stable organization structure for OWW including consideration of officers, advisors, bylaws and so on. 6. Need to get funding to recruit and hire Director of OWW (and OWW staff) to provide relief to current student leadership. *** Comments to Ponder *** 1. In five years, Mac OS XIV will likely have iWiki(TM) software pre- installed on every machine, et cetera. How does the impact what we need to do? *** Goals & Mission of OWW *** The goals of OWW are to support open research, education, publication, and discussion in biology and biological engineering. The mission of OWW is to foster and support an community of researchers, students, and others who are working towards these goals. [see revisions online here: http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare_steering_committee/ SC_retreat#Draft_OWW_Goals_.26_Mission or http://tinyurl.com/lx2s2 From jasonk at MIT.EDU Wed Jul 26 02:15:24 2006 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:15:24 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW retreat - thanks! Message-ID: <7c085c480607252315y215ed6c4o78981005ca71a88e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks again everyone for a really great meeting. We made a lot of progress on putting in place formal decision-making processes as well as outlined a draft mission statement to help guide decisions in the future. There are meeting notes up here: (thanks john and jenny!) http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare_steering_committee/SC_retreat/minutes There is a rough action item list here: http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare_steering_committee/SC_retreat/actions Our next steering committee meeting is on August 10th, look forward to talking to everyone then. Thanks, jason From skosuri at MIT.EDU Wed Jul 26 11:26:07 2006 From: skosuri at MIT.EDU (Sri Kosuri) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:26:07 -0400 Subject: [OWW-SC] Fwd: Nature news story In-Reply-To: <7F9799651108214B983C918260DAF4EC01CDD038@mpl-ldn-exc2.mpl.root-domain.org> References: <7F9799651108214B983C918260DAF4EC01CDD038@mpl-ldn-exc2.mpl.root-domain.org> Message-ID: <2b0cb7a10607260826j4b07b1ebn2309681621f63733@mail.gmail.com> Nature's Feature on replicating results. No mention of OWW, but an article of interest nonetheless. sri ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Giles, Jim Date: Jul 26, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: RE: Nature news story To: Sri Kosuri Sri, Thanks again for your help. The feature on replicating results will appear in tomorrow's edition of Nature. I've attached a PDF here. Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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DIRC) WHEN: Friday July 28, 12pm (noon) ? 1pm 7/28 Publishing Choices for MIT Grads and Postdocs Publishing your research is an important rite of passage for a new researcher and an essential part of being a scientist. This session will guide you through some of the lesser-known but critical choices you'll face in your first forays into publishing: where and how to publish to get exposure and credit for your work, and what you can do to retain your copyright as an author. Feel free to bring your lunch! Drinks and dessert will be provided. Sponsored by the MIT Libraries. Contact the Science Library for more information at: ask- science at mit.edu. _______________________________________________ Biograds mailing list Biograds at mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/biograds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeff On 7/27/06, Maureen Hoatlin wrote: > > Hi Jeff > Will this session be posted on OWW for non-MIT folks? > -Maureen > (portland, OR) > >>> "Jeff Gritton" 07/27/06 8:50 AM >>> > May be relevevant to those interested in publishing. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Biology Headquarters > Date: Jul 27, 2006 11:40 AM > Subject: [Biograds] July 7/28 Session on publishing choices for grad > students and postdocs > To: biopdaf at mit.edu, gradstudents > > Engineering and Science Libraries Seminars > JulyAP Information Workshops > > WHERE: 14N-132 (Digital Instruction Resource Center * DIRC) > WHEN: Friday July 28, 12pm (noon) * 1pm > > 7/28 Publishing Choices for MIT Grads and Postdocs > Publishing your research is an important rite of passage for a new > researcher and an essential part of being a scientist. 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