From lucks at fas.harvard.edu  Tue Aug  1 17:49:21 2006
From: lucks at fas.harvard.edu (Julius Lucks)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:49:21 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Wikimania
Message-ID: <2D97866F-59DD-41D0-B408-152FE2B01142@fas.harvard.edu>

Hi everyone,

Did OWW get any registration spots for wikimania?

http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Cheers,

Julius



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From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Tue Aug  1 17:54:59 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:54:59 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Wikimania
In-Reply-To: <2D97866F-59DD-41D0-B408-152FE2B01142@fas.harvard.edu>
References: <2D97866F-59DD-41D0-B408-152FE2B01142@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <7c085c480608011454o75229684i76aa415d9bfbb4a0@mail.gmail.com>

yep, Austin Che and Ilya Sytchev are going.  (They are two of the main
OWW developers, seemed like they might get the most out of interacting
with the Mediawiki folks....)  Ilya will be giving a 5 min "lightening
talk" as well:
http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_online#Lightning_talks

jason

On 8/1/06, Julius Lucks <lucks at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Did OWW get any registration spots for wikimania?
>
> http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julius
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>
>
>


From austin at csail.mit.edu  Wed Aug  2 07:51:22 2006
From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:51:22 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Wikimania
In-Reply-To: <7c085c480608011454o75229684i76aa415d9bfbb4a0@mail.gmail.com>
	(Jason Kelly's message of "Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:54:59 -0400")
References: <2D97866F-59DD-41D0-B408-152FE2B01142@fas.harvard.edu>
	<7c085c480608011454o75229684i76aa415d9bfbb4a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87bqr3z77p.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu>

"Jason Kelly" <jasonk at MIT.EDU> replied randomly:

> yep, Austin Che and Ilya Sytchev are going.  (They are two of the main
> OWW developers, seemed like they might get the most out of interacting
> with the Mediawiki folks....)  Ilya will be giving a 5 min "lightening
> talk" as well:
> http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_online#Lightning_talks

    We may also have a 5 minute lightning talk at the hacking days
    going on now. We thought the focus should be on the tools that OWW
    has developed and needs. Put your ideas for desirable additions to
    the software here and maybe we can convince someone to put it into
    MediaWiki:
    http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Presentations/Tools
    
-- 
Austin Che           <austin at csail.mit.edu>          (617)253-5899


From endy at MIT.EDU  Thu Aug  3 10:39:01 2006
From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:39:01 +0000 GMT
Subject: [OWW-SC] [Fwd: Bldg 68 network problem]
In-Reply-To: <44D1FDE7.6040401@mit.edu>
References: <44D1FDE7.6040401@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <1212888203-1154615952-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-2054-@engine19-cell04>

It's too late to address the current situation but I can float up to $15k immediately to pay for upgrade to server, redundant server capability professionally managed, and so on (along the lines of Jay's comments from our last SC meeting). 

Ilya, would you be able and excited to lead this?

Also, for those of you who are part of the iCampus grant, why isn't this a good use of that funding (existing or supplementary)?

Regardless, you are greenlighted to spend upto $15k now. 

Thanks,
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at MIT.EDU>
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:45:11 
To:endylab at mit.edu
Subject: [Fwd: Bldg 68 network problem]

FYI.  This means that there's no access to www.openwetware.org and 
parts.mit.edu from outside building 68.

Ilya




From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Thu Aug  3 11:26:51 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:26:51 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] [Fwd: Bldg 68 network problem]
In-Reply-To: <1212888203-1154615952-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-2054-@engine19-cell04>
References: <44D1FDE7.6040401@mit.edu>
	<1212888203-1154615952-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-2054-@engine19-cell04>
Message-ID: <7c085c480608030826v1ad59f61ide9f1a0eeff5e78b@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks drew.

Yeah I definately think we should request more iCampus funds for the
infrastructure changes suggested by Jay.  Also I think we addressed
most of their other concenrs re:long-term planning, etc, so seems like
we would have a shot at getting it.  I'll put a proposal together (if
ilya can help with the tech specs) and send it over to them.

thanks,
jason

On 8/3/06, Drew Endy <endy at mit.edu> wrote:
> It's too late to address the current situation but I can float up to $15k immediately to pay for upgrade to server, redundant server capability professionally managed, and so on (along the lines of Jay's comments from our last SC meeting).
>
> Ilya, would you be able and excited to lead this?
>
> Also, for those of you who are part of the iCampus grant, why isn't this a good use of that funding (existing or supplementary)?
>
> Regardless, you are greenlighted to spend upto $15k now.
>
> Thanks,
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at MIT.EDU>
> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:45:11
> To:endylab at mit.edu
> Subject: [Fwd: Bldg 68 network problem]
>
> FYI.  This means that there's no access to www.openwetware.org and
> parts.mit.edu from outside building 68.
>
> Ilya
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>


From endy at MIT.EDU  Thu Aug  3 11:38:35 2006
From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:38:35 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] [Fwd: Bldg 68 network problem]
In-Reply-To: <7c085c480608030826v1ad59f61ide9f1a0eeff5e78b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44D1FDE7.6040401@mit.edu>
	<1212888203-1154615952-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-2054-@engine19-cell04>
	<7c085c480608030826v1ad59f61ide9f1a0eeff5e78b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17922D4F-6E05-426E-81D4-6C4D136DCA48@mit.edu>

Jason,
Great.  Let me know what I can do to help.

Ilya,
Please let me know today if you want to work on the hardware /  
service issues for OWW.
We need to move on this fast.  It's OK if you don't have time as we  
can contract for the service externally.
I just need to know.

Thanks,
Drew

On Aug 3, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Jason Kelly wrote:

> Thanks drew.
>
> Yeah I definately think we should request more iCampus funds for the
> infrastructure changes suggested by Jay.  Also I think we addressed
> most of their other concenrs re:long-term planning, etc, so seems like
> we would have a shot at getting it.  I'll put a proposal together (if
> ilya can help with the tech specs) and send it over to them.
>
> thanks,
> jason
>
> On 8/3/06, Drew Endy <endy at mit.edu> wrote:
>> It's too late to address the current situation but I can float up  
>> to $15k immediately to pay for upgrade to server, redundant server  
>> capability professionally managed, and so on (along the lines of  
>> Jay's comments from our last SC meeting).
>>
>> Ilya, would you be able and excited to lead this?
>>
>> Also, for those of you who are part of the iCampus grant, why  
>> isn't this a good use of that funding (existing or supplementary)?
>>
>> Regardless, you are greenlighted to spend upto $15k now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at MIT.EDU>
>> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:45:11
>> To:endylab at mit.edu
>> Subject: [Fwd: Bldg 68 network problem]
>>
>> FYI.  This means that there's no access to www.openwetware.org and
>> parts.mit.edu from outside building 68.
>>
>> Ilya
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
>> sc at openwetware.org
>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>>



From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Thu Aug  3 11:46:15 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:46:15 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] [Fwd: Bldg 68 network problem]
In-Reply-To: <17922D4F-6E05-426E-81D4-6C4D136DCA48@mit.edu>
References: <44D1FDE7.6040401@mit.edu>
	<1212888203-1154615952-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-2054-@engine19-cell04>
	<7c085c480608030826v1ad59f61ide9f1a0eeff5e78b@mail.gmail.com>
	<17922D4F-6E05-426E-81D4-6C4D136DCA48@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <7c085c480608030846h2f2e883bmf1bad9bb2fc87eb5@mail.gmail.com>

FYI, site is back up.

On 8/3/06, Drew Endy <endy at mit.edu> wrote:
> Jason,
> Great.  Let me know what I can do to help.
>
> Ilya,
> Please let me know today if you want to work on the hardware /
> service issues for OWW.
> We need to move on this fast.  It's OK if you don't have time as we
> can contract for the service externally.
> I just need to know.
>
> Thanks,
> Drew
>
> On Aug 3, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Jason Kelly wrote:
>
> > Thanks drew.
> >
> > Yeah I definately think we should request more iCampus funds for the
> > infrastructure changes suggested by Jay.  Also I think we addressed
> > most of their other concenrs re:long-term planning, etc, so seems like
> > we would have a shot at getting it.  I'll put a proposal together (if
> > ilya can help with the tech specs) and send it over to them.
> >
> > thanks,
> > jason
> >
> > On 8/3/06, Drew Endy <endy at mit.edu> wrote:
> >> It's too late to address the current situation but I can float up
> >> to $15k immediately to pay for upgrade to server, redundant server
> >> capability professionally managed, and so on (along the lines of
> >> Jay's comments from our last SC meeting).
> >>
> >> Ilya, would you be able and excited to lead this?
> >>
> >> Also, for those of you who are part of the iCampus grant, why
> >> isn't this a good use of that funding (existing or supplementary)?
> >>
> >> Regardless, you are greenlighted to spend upto $15k now.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Drew
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at MIT.EDU>
> >> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:45:11
> >> To:endylab at mit.edu
> >> Subject: [Fwd: Bldg 68 network problem]
> >>
> >> FYI.  This means that there's no access to www.openwetware.org and
> >> parts.mit.edu from outside building 68.
> >>
> >> Ilya
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> >> sc at openwetware.org
> >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> >>
>
>


From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Thu Aug  3 11:48:01 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:48:01 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] [Fwd: Bldg 68 network problem]
In-Reply-To: <17922D4F-6E05-426E-81D4-6C4D136DCA48@mit.edu>
References: <44D1FDE7.6040401@mit.edu>	<1212888203-1154615952-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-2054-@engine19-cell04>	<7c085c480608030826v1ad59f61ide9f1a0eeff5e78b@mail.gmail.com>
	<17922D4F-6E05-426E-81D4-6C4D136DCA48@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <44D21AB1.60404@mit.edu>

Yes, I will help with the technical issues.  Btw, it looks like the 
network connection is fixed and OWW is back up.

Ilya

Drew Endy wrote:
> Jason,
> Great.  Let me know what I can do to help.
> 
> Ilya,
> Please let me know today if you want to work on the hardware /  
> service issues for OWW.
> We need to move on this fast.  It's OK if you don't have time as we  
> can contract for the service externally.
> I just need to know.
> 
> Thanks,
> Drew
> 
> On Aug 3, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Jason Kelly wrote:
> 
>> Thanks drew.
>>
>> Yeah I definately think we should request more iCampus funds for the
>> infrastructure changes suggested by Jay.  Also I think we addressed
>> most of their other concenrs re:long-term planning, etc, so seems like
>> we would have a shot at getting it.  I'll put a proposal together (if
>> ilya can help with the tech specs) and send it over to them.
>>
>> thanks,
>> jason
>>
>> On 8/3/06, Drew Endy <endy at mit.edu> wrote:
>>> It's too late to address the current situation but I can float up  
>>> to $15k immediately to pay for upgrade to server, redundant server  
>>> capability professionally managed, and so on (along the lines of  
>>> Jay's comments from our last SC meeting).
>>>
>>> Ilya, would you be able and excited to lead this?
>>>
>>> Also, for those of you who are part of the iCampus grant, why  
>>> isn't this a good use of that funding (existing or supplementary)?
>>>
>>> Regardless, you are greenlighted to spend upto $15k now.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at MIT.EDU>
>>> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:45:11
>>> To:endylab at mit.edu
>>> Subject: [Fwd: Bldg 68 network problem]
>>>
>>> FYI.  This means that there's no access to www.openwetware.org and
>>> parts.mit.edu from outside building 68.
>>>
>>> Ilya
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
>>> sc at openwetware.org
>>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc


From dstrick at uchicago.edu  Thu Aug  3 12:32:01 2006
From: dstrick at uchicago.edu (Devin Strickland)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:32:01 -0500
Subject: [OWW-SC] Protein Society
Message-ID: <B03D7377-D827-41DB-876E-87F4B3C0B774@uchicago.edu>

Sorry to bring this up in the middle of a crisis...is anyone going to  
Protein Society this weekend and interested in getting together?

Best,

Devin


From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Mon Aug  7 17:42:12 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:42:12 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] SC Meeting on Thursday.
Message-ID: <7c085c480608071442h233004f6jc1ad2849cf43e298@mail.gmail.com>

hi folks,
Just a reminder that the next steering committee meeting is on
Thursday at 12 noon EST.  The preliminary agenda can be found here:
http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee/Meeting_-_August_2006

As usual, please add/edit.

If you will be calling into the meeting please email me back to let me
know.  We'll setup either Skype or the MIT conference call system for
the meeting.

Thanks,
Jason


From martin_jambon at emailuser.net  Tue Aug  8 14:25:19 2006
From: martin_jambon at emailuser.net (Martin Jambon)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:25:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OWW-SC] Who wants an iPod? (the carrot for wiki contributors)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608081112470.24663@localhost>

Dear all,

Below is an announcement that I received from a bioinformatics 
mailing-list. They will reward contributors of their wiki with iPods. 
Interesting, although I couldn't find whether the contents is available 
under some kind of free documentation license or not.


Martin

--
Martin Jambon, PhD
http://martin.jambon.free.fr

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:23:28 -0000
From: jonnyr9 <jonnyr9 at r9corporation.fsnet.co.uk>
To: BABioinformatics at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BABioinformatics] Announcement: Community of Life Scientist
     Researchers Prize Draw

Dear Friends,

BioDirectory is a huge directory links for life science researchers,
with a Q&A discussion forum, free blogging facility, and the BioWiki.
  The wiki system is dynamically linked to each links directory page
allowing any registered user to add content to any category to be
moderated by the community.

Three active and registered BioDirectory community participants will
win iPod Shuffle devices given away at the end of the each month,
first draw to take place 31st August 2006 (iPod is a trademark of
Apple Computer, Inc.).

"Participating in the community" means a user does one (or more) of
these things:

(i) asks or answers a question on the Q&A discussion forum -
http://www.biodirectory.com/forums/

(ii) starts a new page, or enters or amends "relevant content" on one
of the BioWiki pages - http://www.biodirectory.com/wiki/

(iii) starts or adds an entry to their own on a blog hosted by
Biodirectory -
http://www.biodirectory.com/forums/index.php?automodule=blog

We use "relevant content" to mean adding links and collections of
links, starting or adding to a laboratory homepages, adding protocols
and collections of protocols, recipes for media and buffers, adding
inforomation about academic courses or adding course material,
reviewing or creating collections of articles and papers relevant to a
particular topic, contributing tutorials, reviews of papers and other
publications, creating or amending project pages with experimental
results, adding FAQs and glossaries, adding introductions or guides to
new areas of biological and medical science. Brief, irrelevant,
extremely short, meaningless, minor comments or nonsensical entries
will not qualify for prizes and may bar the participant from winning.

You can read more about the prize draw online:
http://www.biodirectory.com/wiki/index.php/Brief_Contest_Rules

Best wishes,

Jon

Dr Jonathan D Rees (Director)
Oxford Informatics
United Kingdom
Tel. (UK) +44 (0)1865244836
Mob. (UK) +44 (0)7970893371
Web: http://www.biodirectory.com/
Email: jon.rees at oxfordinformatics.com

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From martin_jambon at emailuser.net  Tue Aug  8 14:46:22 2006
From: martin_jambon at emailuser.net (Martin Jambon)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OWW-SC] Who wants an iPod? (the carrot for wiki contributors)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608081112470.24663@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608081112470.24663@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608081144240.24663@localhost>

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Martin Jambon wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Below is an announcement that I received from a bioinformatics
> mailing-list. They will reward contributors of their wiki with iPods.
> Interesting, although I couldn't find whether the contents is available
> under some kind of free documentation license or not.

I found it. The license is given at
   http://www.biodirectory.com/terms.html
and starts like this:


OpenContent License (OPL)
Version 1.0, July 14, 1998.

This document outlines the principles underlying the OpenContent (OC) 
movement and may be redistributed provided it remains unaltered. For legal 
purposes, this document is the license under which OpenContent is made 
available for use.

...


From austin at csail.mit.edu  Tue Aug  8 15:27:24 2006
From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:27:24 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Who wants an iPod? (the carrot for wiki contributors)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608081112470.24663@localhost> (Martin Jambon's
	message of "Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:25:19 -0700 (PDT)")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608081112470.24663@localhost>
Message-ID: <87fyg7do4j.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu>


    There's not much on that wiki. I'm not sure I understand their
    mission statement: 'BioWiki aims to provide "questions to answers
    for life scientists"' Based on their description on the main page:
    
    "BioWiki is a friendly community for your links and collections of
    links, laboratory homepages, protocols and collections of
    protocols, recipes for media and buffers, academic courses and
    course material, articles and papers, tutorials, reviews of papers
    and other publications, project pages with experimental results,
    FAQs and glossaries, introductions or guides to new areas of
    biological and medical science."
    
    you could replace BioWiki directly with OWW. I'm not sure I see
    the point of them starting something which looks to be identical
    to OWW at this point.
    
-- 
Austin Che           <austin at csail.mit.edu>          (617)253-5899


From martin_jambon at emailuser.net  Tue Aug  8 15:50:28 2006
From: martin_jambon at emailuser.net (Martin Jambon)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OWW-SC] Who wants an iPod? (the carrot for wiki contributors)
In-Reply-To: <87fyg7do4j.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608081112470.24663@localhost>
	<87fyg7do4j.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0608081238040.24899@localhost>

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Austin Che wrote:

>    you could replace BioWiki directly with OWW. I'm not sure I see
>    the point of them starting something which looks to be identical
>    to OWW at this point.

It seems to be an add-on to http://www.biodirectory.com/

See also that thread on their forum:
   http://www.biodirectory.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=544

I guess we can ask the question there, or by replying to the original email 
announcement.


Martin

--
Martin Jambon, PhD
http://martin.jambon.free.fr


From lucks at fas.harvard.edu  Tue Aug  8 20:34:17 2006
From: lucks at fas.harvard.edu (Julius Lucks)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:34:17 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Reddit Proposal for Thursday Discussion
Message-ID: <6F18B285-E852-4787-BBDE-98E3EA7AE5B8@fas.harvard.edu>

Hi all,

The publishing group has put together an idea to link up voting on  
select pages of OWW.  As it stands, we would create a subreddit of  
reddit.com devoted to OWW (openwetware.reddit.com), and link it with  
the existing wiki.  As you can see on arxiv.reddit.com (a subreddit  
that deals with scientific content - in this case the physics  
preprint archive), the site consists of user posts that can be voted  
and commented on.  We outline the idea on

http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Publishing_group/Reddit_idea

We would like to start this as an experiment, with its impact on  
normal users who do not want to participate minimal.  It will be  
interesting to see how it evolves, perhaps into an alternative  
publishing channel as we outline.  We would like to make a decision  
by Thursday to proceed, but please start the discussion on the wiki now.

Cheers,

Julius, John, Jason (JJJ)

-----------------------------------------------------
http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Lucks
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From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:16:01 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Who wants an iPod? (the carrot for wiki contributors)
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Message-ID: <cfd758050608081816n27881063pc4ae9e8e13103183@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
this is really strange, as the wiki is set up by Jon Rees (who is co-chair
of BioSysBio 2007 and organised the YBF (Young Bioinformaticians Forum)
which is now part of BioSysBio 2007.  I'm sure Jon has got the idea from
OWW, but not sure why he wants to start another one?
I'll find out,
cheers,
John



On 8/8/06, Martin Jambon <martin_jambon at emailuser.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Austin Che wrote:
>
> >    you could replace BioWiki directly with OWW. I'm not sure I see
> >    the point of them starting something which looks to be identical
> >    to OWW at this point.
>
> It seems to be an add-on to http://www.biodirectory.com/
>
> See also that thread on their forum:
>    http://www.biodirectory.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=544
>
> I guess we can ask the question there, or by replying to the original
> email
> announcement.
>
>
> Martin
>
> --
> Martin Jambon, PhD
> http://martin.jambon.free.fr
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
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Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
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From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Wed Aug  9 04:14:37 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 04:14:37 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Reddit Proposal for Thursday Discussion
In-Reply-To: <6F18B285-E852-4787-BBDE-98E3EA7AE5B8@fas.harvard.edu>
References: <6F18B285-E852-4787-BBDE-98E3EA7AE5B8@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <7c085c480608090114l25c4a41bg663352a22de2cb9d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

If you have some time take a peek at this as well:
http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee/Goals

Basically, trying to get a discussion started about firm goals for the
SC over the next 6 months, so that we can make decisions about
prioritizing our resouces.

Thanks, see you thursday.
jason

On 8/8/06, Julius Lucks <lucks at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The publishing group has put together an idea to link up voting on select
> pages of OWW.  As it stands, we would create a subreddit of reddit.com
> devoted to OWW (openwetware.reddit.com), and link it with the existing wiki.
>  As you can see on arxiv.reddit.com (a subreddit that deals with scientific
> content - in this case the physics preprint archive), the site consists of
> user posts that can be voted and commented on.  We outline the idea on
>
> http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Publishing_group/Reddit_idea
>
> We would like to start this as an experiment, with its impact on normal
> users who do not want to participate minimal.  It will be interesting to see
> how it evolves, perhaps into an alternative publishing channel as we
> outline.  We would like to make a decision by Thursday to proceed, but
> please start the discussion on the wiki now.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julius, John, Jason (JJJ)
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Lucks
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>
>
>


From johncumbers at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 20:26:10 2006
From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:26:10 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Fwd: biowiki ... ipods etc.
Message-ID: <cfd758050608091726u5221fda8n1aa0c17cb06e83e0@mail.gmail.com>

f.y.i, from my discussions with Jon Rees about competition with OWW,
although it seems to compete directly, that doesn't seem to be the aim.  If
it were try to compete directly, then I doubt it would work without more of
an initial driving force.

John

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jon Rees <jon.rees at gmail.com>
Date: Aug 9, 2006 6:28 AM
Subject: biowiki
To: John_Cumbers at brown.edu

Hmm, I kind of shotguned several new interactive features to biodirectory,
and I'm looking at "take up",
to see if users will use 'em...blog, biowiki, graphics upload in the forums,
tried journal rss feeds (dumped
for the time being because of unreliability of those feeds)...

I've just been exploring how to use a RTE from the wiki to complement
Biodirectory links pages...
based on the feedback, it'll take another direction shortly... so no
conflict with wetware I hope.

eg. http://www.biodirectory.com/directory/Biochemistry/Genomics_272.html

Check out the gray content pane in the middle of the page...

The blog facility is unique, I think... got Chris Upton from VBRC blogging.

The wiki stuff is basically me taking a shortcut from integrating a RTE in
to BioDirectory, then realising it gives more democracy to the users.
The site's been open content since the changes in May 2006.

I'd be interested in any comments etc.

I've been talking with a few people about how to position it, esp. Yak Fai
at Harvard.

It may well end up with complementary links to pertinent journal articles
relevant to the subject matter described in each links directory.

I think there may well be synergy between Open Wetware and Wikiomics, as
well as Biodirectory - or a way to reduce costs somehow.

Cheers,

Jon


-- 
John Cumbers,  Graduate Student in Computational Biology
Brown University, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Box G-W
80 Waterman Street, Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA
Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190,  Fax: +1 401 863-2166
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From skosuri at MIT.EDU  Fri Aug 11 09:09:43 2006
From: skosuri at MIT.EDU (Sri Kosuri)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:09:43 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] wiki's and operating systems
In-Reply-To: <2b0cb7a10608102112u420074a6l78d628bd79e715e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b0cb7a10608102112u420074a6l78d628bd79e715e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b0cb7a10608110609w7b2cde53u31de8699029fff72@mail.gmail.com>

Well... as per our discussions at the OWW retreat, maybe we won't have to
wait 5 years till every computer will have its own wiki.
Leopard Server (Mac OS X 10.5 Server Edition) will have a wiki built into it
(comes out in a few months).  Looks pretty cool.  I'm sure apple will have a
pretty cool implementation as well.  Check it out.

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/wikiserver.html
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From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Fri Aug 11 13:03:33 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:03:33 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] wiki's and operating systems
In-Reply-To: <2b0cb7a10608110609w7b2cde53u31de8699029fff72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b0cb7a10608102112u420074a6l78d628bd79e715e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b0cb7a10608110609w7b2cde53u31de8699029fff72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44DCB865.5060703@mit.edu>

Cool.  Apparently it has an awesome WYSIWYG editor too
(http://www.langreiter.com/space/Leopard+Wiki+Server).
I wonder though what kind of wiki engine does it use?  How extensible
and customizable is it?  Is it compatible with mediawiki syntax?

Ilya

Sri Kosuri wrote:
> 
> Well... as per our discussions at the OWW retreat, maybe we won't have
> to wait 5 years till every computer will have its own wiki. 
> Leopard Server (Mac OS X 10.5 Server Edition) will have a wiki built
> into it (comes out in a few months).  Looks pretty cool.  I'm sure apple
> will have a pretty cool implementation as well.  Check it out.
> 
> http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/wikiserver.html
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ajc at MIT.EDU  Fri Aug 11 06:40:21 2006
From: ajc at MIT.EDU (Jay Copeland)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:40:21 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] wiki's and operating systems
In-Reply-To: <2b0cb7a10608102112u420074a6l78d628bd79e715e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b0cb7a10608102112u420074a6l78d628bd79e715e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e86a7ba60608110340i2f20754xcaef8384ec567c2e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sri,

That's pretty amazing. Maybe I should have said it will be on every
Windows server in five years.

--Jay

On 8/11/06, Sri Kosuri <skosuri at mit.edu> wrote:
> Well... as per our discussions at the OWW retreat, maybe we won't have to
> wait 5 years till every computer will have its own wiki.
> Leopard Server (Mac OS X 10.5 Server Edition) will have a wiki built into it
> (comes out in a few months).  Looks pretty cool.  I'm sure apple will have a
> pretty cool implementation as well.  Check it out.
>
> http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/wikiserver.html


-- 
Jay Copeland
Research Scientist
MIT, Sorger Lab


From austin at csail.mit.edu  Sat Aug 12 10:10:39 2006
From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:10:39 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW non-notable
Message-ID: <87ac6aujs0.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu>


    The OpenWetWare article at Wikipedia was deleted a couple days ago
    according to wikipedia's policy. See their reasoning here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/OpenWetWare

    Primary reason seems to be that it's "non-notable"
    
    Here's the apparent criteria for web notability:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WEB

-- 
Austin Che           <austin at csail.mit.edu>          (617)253-5899


From endy at MIT.EDU  Tue Aug 15 12:58:50 2006
From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:58:50 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW funding report
References: <1BA8474C92CD664B9C37DD31E01971FD0735400F@bos-exch2k3.America.blackwell.pri>
Message-ID: <ACA18F6D-D152-48E9-BBB8-497BDA749345@mit.edu>

OWW SC,

Belated report from last week's exploratory lunch with Don Odom of  
Blackwell Publishing (http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/).  By way  
of background, this was a random connection that I took advantage of  
in order to "test float" the idea of developing a consortium of  
publishing houses who might individually or collectively support OWW  
as an incubator for next-generation online publishing and community  
building.  Basically, they thought it was a neat idea and they need  
to think about some stuff.  My guess is that any publisher would be  
of the same opinion.  I'm not anxious to push this forward until we  
hear back re: NSF grant (and possible items below, see below).

Meanwhile, more to report...

I spoke with Mike Eisen on Saturday.  Mike is a friend and one of the  
PLoS founders.  He suggested asking the Moore Foundation for a small  
grant ($250k per year, 3 years) to provide turnkey financial support  
to OWW.  He'd be happy to help put our proposal in front of the right  
person.  Basically, this would be a 3-page white paper that I could  
pull together pretty quickly from the NSF grant.  It seems like a  
good idea to me.  Please let me know if I should go ahead or not.

I'm still supposed to follow-up with the possibility of a small gift  
from an MIT alum ($50k?) to support OWW.  I will do this unless  
there's some reason not to (hard to imagine).

Best,
Drew


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Odom Don" <DOdom at bos.blackwellpublishing.com>
> Date: August 10, 2006 5:35:45 PM EDT
> To: <endy at mit.edu>
> Cc: "John Benditt" <jbenditt at mac.com>, "Harington Robert"  
> <RHarington at bos.blackwellpublishing.com>
> Subject: OpenWetWare
>
> Drew,
>
> It was a pleasure to brainstorm with you and John concerning the  
> various exciting avenues for partnering in the further development  
> of OpenWetWare. I will brief Robert regarding our discussion and  
> get back to you with any additional questions or points that may  
> need clarification as we continue the discussion. When Robert is  
> back from parental leave, hopefully we can find an opportunity to  
> meet again.
>
> Best regards,
> Don
>
> --
> Don Odom
> Sr Editor, Science Journals
> Blackwell Publishing Inc.
> 350 Main Street
> Malden, MA 02148
> Tel: 781 388 8331
> Fax: 781 338 8331
> Cell: 781 301 1057
> Visit our website: www.blackwellpublishing.com
> Visit our online journals: www.blackwell-synergy.com
>

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From endy at MIT.EDU  Tue Aug 15 13:27:17 2006
From: endy at MIT.EDU (Drew Endy)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:27:17 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Fwd:  OWW funding report
References: <ACA18F6D-D152-48E9-BBB8-497BDA749345@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <4BDBE52E-9CB8-4C31-B1F0-E39FEEDB6E85@mit.edu>

Quick follow-up to below.

This is the Moore Foundation URL: http://www.moore.org/
They provide(d) the key support to get PLoS going.

Best,
Drew


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Drew Endy <endy at MIT.EDU>
> Date: August 15, 2006 12:58:50 PM EDT
> To: oww-sc <sc at openwetware.org>
> Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW funding report
>
> OWW SC,
>
> Belated report from last week's exploratory lunch with Don Odom of  
> Blackwell Publishing (http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/).  By way  
> of background, this was a random connection that I took advantage  
> of in order to "test float" the idea of developing a consortium of  
> publishing houses who might individually or collectively support  
> OWW as an incubator for next-generation online publishing and  
> community building.  Basically, they thought it was a neat idea and  
> they need to think about some stuff.  My guess is that any  
> publisher would be of the same opinion.  I'm not anxious to push  
> this forward until we hear back re: NSF grant (and possible items  
> below, see below).
>
> Meanwhile, more to report...
>
> I spoke with Mike Eisen on Saturday.  Mike is a friend and one of  
> the PLoS founders.  He suggested asking the Moore Foundation for a  
> small grant ($250k per year, 3 years) to provide turnkey financial  
> support to OWW.  He'd be happy to help put our proposal in front of  
> the right person.  Basically, this would be a 3-page white paper  
> that I could pull together pretty quickly from the NSF grant.  It  
> seems like a good idea to me.  Please let me know if I should go  
> ahead or not.
>
> I'm still supposed to follow-up with the possibility of a small  
> gift from an MIT alum ($50k?) to support OWW.  I will do this  
> unless there's some reason not to (hard to imagine).
>
> Best,
> Drew
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Odom Don" <DOdom at bos.blackwellpublishing.com>
>> Date: August 10, 2006 5:35:45 PM EDT
>> To: <endy at mit.edu>
>> Cc: "John Benditt" <jbenditt at mac.com>, "Harington Robert"  
>> <RHarington at bos.blackwellpublishing.com>
>> Subject: OpenWetWare
>>
>> Drew,
>>
>> It was a pleasure to brainstorm with you and John concerning the  
>> various exciting avenues for partnering in the further development  
>> of OpenWetWare. I will brief Robert regarding our discussion and  
>> get back to you with any additional questions or points that may  
>> need clarification as we continue the discussion. When Robert is  
>> back from parental leave, hopefully we can find an opportunity to  
>> meet again.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Don
>>
>> --
>> Don Odom
>> Sr Editor, Science Journals
>> Blackwell Publishing Inc.
>> 350 Main Street
>> Malden, MA 02148
>> Tel: 781 388 8331
>> Fax: 781 338 8331
>> Cell: 781 301 1057
>> Visit our website: www.blackwellpublishing.com
>> Visit our online journals: www.blackwell-synergy.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc

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From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Tue Aug 15 14:39:04 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:39:04 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW funding report
In-Reply-To: <ACA18F6D-D152-48E9-BBB8-497BDA749345@mit.edu>
References: <1BA8474C92CD664B9C37DD31E01971FD0735400F@bos-exch2k3.America.blackwell.pri>
	<ACA18F6D-D152-48E9-BBB8-497BDA749345@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <7c085c480608151139x6d23bff1hdd3fe97829f44275@mail.gmail.com>

Moore Foundation -- this seems like a good idea to me as well.  I
don't think we want to wait for another SC meeting for a vote or
anything, so if anyone thinks this is a bad idea please email me (or
the list) and we can try and address any concerns.  If it looks OK,
then lets move forward with it as soon as possible.

Alumni Donor - Can we recieve a donation like this currently (e.g.
through drew somehow?) or should we put together an official MIT
donation account thing like we have for iGEM? (this also means some %
goes to MIT - though don't know if that can be avoided with some other
method?)

jason

On 8/15/06, Drew Endy <endy at mit.edu> wrote:
>
> OWW SC,
>
> Belated report from last week's exploratory lunch with Don Odom of Blackwell
> Publishing (http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/).  By way
> of background, this was a random connection that I took advantage of in
> order to "test float" the idea of developing a consortium of publishing
> houses who might individually or collectively support OWW as an incubator
> for next-generation online publishing and community building.  Basically,
> they thought it was a neat idea and they need to think about some stuff.  My
> guess is that any publisher would be of the same opinion.  I'm not anxious
> to push this forward until we hear back re: NSF grant (and possible items
> below, see below).
>
> Meanwhile, more to report...
>
> I spoke with Mike Eisen on Saturday.  Mike is a friend and one of the PLoS
> founders.  He suggested asking the Moore Foundation for a small grant ($250k
> per year, 3 years) to provide turnkey financial support to OWW.  He'd be
> happy to help put our proposal in front of the right person.  Basically,
> this would be a 3-page white paper that I could pull together pretty quickly
> from the NSF grant.  It seems like a good idea to me.  Please let me know if
> I should go ahead or not.
>
> I'm still supposed to follow-up with the possibility of a small gift from an
> MIT alum ($50k?) to support OWW.  I will do this unless there's some reason
> not to (hard to imagine).
>
> Best,
> Drew
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "Odom Don" <DOdom at bos.blackwellpublishing.com>
> Date: August 10, 2006 5:35:45 PM EDT
> To: <endy at mit.edu>
> Cc: "John Benditt" <jbenditt at mac.com>, "Harington Robert"
> <RHarington at bos.blackwellpublishing.com>
> Subject: OpenWetWare
>
>
> Drew,
>
> It was a pleasure to brainstorm with you and John concerning the various
> exciting avenues for partnering in the further development of OpenWetWare. I
> will brief Robert regarding our discussion and get back to you with any
> additional questions or points that may need clarification as we continue
> the discussion. When Robert is back from parental leave, hopefully we can
> find an opportunity to meet again.
>
> Best regards,
> Don
>
> --
> Don Odom
> Sr Editor, Science Journals
> Blackwell Publishing Inc.
> 350 Main Street
> Malden, MA 02148
> Tel: 781 388 8331
> Fax: 781 338 8331
> Cell: 781 301 1057
> Visit our website: www.blackwellpublishing.com
> Visit our online journals: www.blackwell-synergy.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>
>
>


From johncumbers at gmail.com  Tue Aug 15 15:33:13 2006
From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:33:13 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW funding report
In-Reply-To: <7c085c480608151139x6d23bff1hdd3fe97829f44275@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BA8474C92CD664B9C37DD31E01971FD0735400F@bos-exch2k3.America.blackwell.pri>
	<ACA18F6D-D152-48E9-BBB8-497BDA749345@mit.edu>
	<7c085c480608151139x6d23bff1hdd3fe97829f44275@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cfd758050608151233m295bbcf2w4789aee5c8542334@mail.gmail.com>

all sounds good to me,
John

On 8/15/06, Jason Kelly <jasonk at mit.edu> wrote:
>
> Moore Foundation -- this seems like a good idea to me as well.  I
> don't think we want to wait for another SC meeting for a vote or
> anything, so if anyone thinks this is a bad idea please email me (or
> the list) and we can try and address any concerns.  If it looks OK,
> then lets move forward with it as soon as possible.
>
> Alumni Donor - Can we recieve a donation like this currently (e.g.
> through drew somehow?) or should we put together an official MIT
> donation account thing like we have for iGEM? (this also means some %
> goes to MIT - though don't know if that can be avoided with some other
> method?)
>
> jason
>
> On 8/15/06, Drew Endy <endy at mit.edu> wrote:
> >
> > OWW SC,
> >
> > Belated report from last week's exploratory lunch with Don Odom of
> Blackwell
> > Publishing (http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/).  By way
> > of background, this was a random connection that I took advantage of in
> > order to "test float" the idea of developing a consortium of publishing
> > houses who might individually or collectively support OWW as an
> incubator
> > for next-generation online publishing and community
> building.  Basically,
> > they thought it was a neat idea and they need to think about some
> stuff.  My
> > guess is that any publisher would be of the same opinion.  I'm not
> anxious
> > to push this forward until we hear back re: NSF grant (and possible
> items
> > below, see below).
> >
> > Meanwhile, more to report...
> >
> > I spoke with Mike Eisen on Saturday.  Mike is a friend and one of the
> PLoS
> > founders.  He suggested asking the Moore Foundation for a small grant
> ($250k
> > per year, 3 years) to provide turnkey financial support to OWW.  He'd be
> > happy to help put our proposal in front of the right person.  Basically,
> > this would be a 3-page white paper that I could pull together pretty
> quickly
> > from the NSF grant.  It seems like a good idea to me.  Please let me
> know if
> > I should go ahead or not.
> >
> > I'm still supposed to follow-up with the possibility of a small gift
> from an
> > MIT alum ($50k?) to support OWW.  I will do this unless there's some
> reason
> > not to (hard to imagine).
> >
> > Best,
> > Drew
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: "Odom Don" <DOdom at bos.blackwellpublishing.com>
> > Date: August 10, 2006 5:35:45 PM EDT
> > To: <endy at mit.edu>
> > Cc: "John Benditt" <jbenditt at mac.com>, "Harington Robert"
> > <RHarington at bos.blackwellpublishing.com>
> > Subject: OpenWetWare
> >
> >
> > Drew,
> >
> > It was a pleasure to brainstorm with you and John concerning the various
> > exciting avenues for partnering in the further development of
> OpenWetWare. I
> > will brief Robert regarding our discussion and get back to you with any
> > additional questions or points that may need clarification as we
> continue
> > the discussion. When Robert is back from parental leave, hopefully we
> can
> > find an opportunity to meet again.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Don
> >
> > --
> > Don Odom
> > Sr Editor, Science Journals
> > Blackwell Publishing Inc.
> > 350 Main Street
> > Malden, MA 02148
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From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Wed Aug 16 11:22:41 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:22:41 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Fwd: Registration Information
In-Reply-To: <2d81dba60608160810u315131d6gf1c81a80c4a7fb4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5927226A3D285F40AB95CA2A3D2369D410FC27@EXCLUSTER.pu.win.princeton.edu>
	<2d81dba60608160810u315131d6gf1c81a80c4a7fb4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c085c480608160822i3bf9dc77h80ef940fc5b4ac48@mail.gmail.com>

Guy from Princeton who just requested a login, he is setting up their
university wiki -- worth checking out, see email below.

jason

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Peter Koppstein <pkoppstein at gmail.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: Fwd: Registration Information
To: jasonk at mit.edu



> From: OpenWetWare Admin <admin at openwetware.org >
> Date: Aug 16, 2006 10:36 AM
> Subject: Registration Information
>
> It's great to have you on OWW.
>

Thanks for the quick response, the id, and the friendly welcome!

> Would love to talk with you about university wiki installations


Same here. By way of background, I work in the "Educational
Technologies Center" in the Office of Information Technology. We
mainly work with faculty. I was at Wikimania and in Cambridge a couple
of weeks ago, and was at the workshops on Wednesday and Thursday.

>   what is the address for the one at Princeton?
>

 The short answer is isaacnewton.princeton.edu but please note that
this is not yet quite official. We have approval to make it official
but we're awaiting new hardware. When the site does become official,
there will be some changes, e.g. the copyright/licensing is likely to
change -- an interesting topic for future discussion in its own right.
The current name of the site ("TigerWeb") will almost certainly change
to QED, which is why for example the Google search box says "search
qed".

To see how different projects can get their own virtual space, type MG
or UC in the "search" box.

> We've so far avoided having different read/write priveledges for subsets of users to try to keep things more open, but it's certainly something we've been thinking about (we get a fair number of requests for "private" pages from labs).

One of the many reasons it became clear we'd have to provide control
over read-access was copyright. It was also clear that some faculty
and researchers wouldn't contribute unless they had control over
write-access.  Big topic indeed. Although I have done quite a few neat
things on the technical side, I am beginning to think that I should
have spent more time on the "wikifarm" approach.

> You can email me ( jasonk at mit.edu) or the admin list if you want to talk about this stuff (or maybe by phone?)

Phone is good too.

Thanks again!

Peter
h: 609 799-2769
c: 609 933-5886
 w: 609 258-9847
pkoppstein at gmail.com
peak at princeton.edu


From jennyn at MIT.EDU  Thu Aug 17 00:39:11 2006
From: jennyn at MIT.EDU (Jenny Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:39:11 -0500
Subject: [OWW-SC] Front Page Final Comments
Message-ID: <cf36c28d0608162139l8e59ec8h33b857d7572e87d8@mail.gmail.com>

New front page has been updated with information from current front page.
Please make your comments so that we can revert to the new front page ASAP!
:)

http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/Jennyn/front_page
Add comments in discussion (scroll to the bottom).

Thanks,
Jenny
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From skosuri at MIT.EDU  Thu Aug 17 13:08:46 2006
From: skosuri at MIT.EDU (Sri Kosuri)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:08:46 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] peer-review
Message-ID: <2b0cb7a10608171008md5dcc71pdc86cc9e12e19d96@mail.gmail.com>

Those of you interested in the publishing arena, should take a look at some
of the articles and commentaries in Nature's Peer Review Debate:
http://www.nature.com/nature/peerreview/debate/index.html

Sri
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From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Thu Aug 17 18:04:58 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:04:58 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW non-notable
In-Reply-To: <87ac6aujs0.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu>
References: <87ac6aujs0.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <44E4E80A.5080601@mit.edu>

Is it worth trying to appeal this decision by providing references
(http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Press) to the appropriate press
articles that mention OWW?

Ilya

Austin Che wrote:
>     The OpenWetWare article at Wikipedia was deleted a couple days ago
>     according to wikipedia's policy. See their reasoning here:
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/OpenWetWare
> 
>     Primary reason seems to be that it's "non-notable"
>     
>     Here's the apparent criteria for web notability:
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WEB
> 


From jennyn at MIT.EDU  Fri Aug 18 14:52:05 2006
From: jennyn at MIT.EDU (Jenny Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:52:05 -0500
Subject: [OWW-SC] Front Page version 2!!
Message-ID: <cf36c28d0608181152g75d42f74v52d58f6b1ca656f2@mail.gmail.com>

Steering Committee,

Please see the new version of the Front Page. I have brought more attention
to the navigation bar and merged the video/image into a Media Feature, and
have changed "Image of the Week" module to "What's New", which will feature
cool protocols, papers, OWW stats, etc (at the moment it is just dummy text
to take up space).

Please leave your comments in the discussion.

http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/Jennyn/front_page2

Love,
Jenny
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From jennyn at MIT.EDU  Sat Aug 19 17:47:46 2006
From: jennyn at MIT.EDU (Jenny Nguyen)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:47:46 -0500
Subject: [OWW-SC] Voting for Front Page 2 launch!
Message-ID: <cf36c28d0608191447t5e332da1u4e3c20f7a3335f94@mail.gmail.com>

I propose we launch the new front page (#2), and save the minor changes for
later.

http://openwetware.org/wiki/Talk:Jennyn/front_page2

Speak now, before it's too late!

Also, any suggestions for the "What's New" section? Feel free to suggest how
I should fill this with content.

Let's get results in by 12 p.m., Monday, August 21st so we can see where we
can go from there.

Love,
Jenny
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From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Mon Aug 21 16:11:52 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:11:52 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW non-notable
In-Reply-To: <c3ffe9a6443d61d3356b6495a600557b@mit.edu>
References: <87ac6aujs0.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <44E4E80A.5080601@mit.edu>
	<c3ffe9a6443d61d3356b6495a600557b@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <44EA1388.7010607@mit.edu>

I've appealed this decision:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#OpenWetWare
Please feel free to edit my comments.

Ilya

Reshma P. Shetty wrote:
> I think this might be worth doing.
> 
> -Reshma
> 
> On Aug 17, 2006, at 6:04 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote:
> 
>> Is it worth trying to appeal this decision by providing references
>> (http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Press) to the appropriate press
>> articles that mention OWW?
>>
>> Ilya
>>
>> Austin Che wrote:
>>>     The OpenWetWare article at Wikipedia was deleted a couple days ago
>>>     according to wikipedia's policy. See their reasoning here:
>>>    
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/OpenWetWare
>>>
>>>     Primary reason seems to be that it's "non-notable"
>>>
>>>     Here's the apparent criteria for web notability:
>>>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WEB
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
>> sc at openwetware.org
>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
> 


From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Tue Aug 22 09:01:00 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:01:00 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] correspondence about OWW in nature
Message-ID: <7c085c480608220601t7ed98a6ax42961fb19b33a48c@mail.gmail.com>

fyi, reader correspondence bringing up more controlled versions of
online inrformation sharing than a wiki, in reply to previous nature
article referencing OWW:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v442/n7104/full/442744c.html

jason


From skosuri at MIT.EDU  Wed Aug 23 14:45:28 2006
From: skosuri at MIT.EDU (Sri Kosuri)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:45:28 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] microbe wiki
Message-ID: <2b0cb7a10608231145o4dc9a1c5t325701d2efadbae8@mail.gmail.com>

Found Microbe Wiki online.... looks pretty cool

http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/MicrobeWiki
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From skosuri at MIT.EDU  Fri Aug 25 14:13:57 2006
From: skosuri at MIT.EDU (Sri Kosuri)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:13:57 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Fwd: OWW funding report
In-Reply-To: <4BDBE52E-9CB8-4C31-B1F0-E39FEEDB6E85@mit.edu>
References: <ACA18F6D-D152-48E9-BBB8-497BDA749345@mit.edu>
	<4BDBE52E-9CB8-4C31-B1F0-E39FEEDB6E85@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <2b0cb7a10608251113q7d330120gece304793a69ddcc@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Funding Folk,

I forgot to mention.  While I was looking for funding sources a while back,
the Mellon foundation seemed especially appropriate.
http://www.mellon.org

They have a special program on scholarly communications.  (
http://www.mellon.org/scholarly.html ) whose main missions are:

   - Use forms of scholarly communications to stimulate collaborations
   among scholars and scholarly institutions in ways that substantially advance
   knowledge;
   - Foster the means economically to sustain forms of scholarly
   communication; and
   - Apply technology to forms of scholarly communications in order to
   improve quality, lower costs, speed up work, open new perspectives, or make
   work possible that would otherwise be difficult or impossible.

They previously developed JStor, and also funded MIT OpenCourseWare.

Sri


On 8/15/06, Drew Endy <endy at mit.edu> wrote:
>
> Quick follow-up to below.
> This is the Moore Foundation URL: http://www.moore.org/They provide(d) the
> key support to get PLoS going.
>
> Best,
> Drew
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Drew Endy <endy at MIT.EDU>
> *Date: *August 15, 2006 12:58:50 PM EDT
> *To: *oww-sc <sc at openwetware.org>
> *Subject: **[OWW-SC] OWW funding report*
>
>
> OWW SC,
> Belated report from last week's exploratory lunch with Don Odom of
> Blackwell Publishing (http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/).  By way of
> background, this was a random connection that I took advantage of in order
> to "test float" the idea of developing a consortium of publishing houses who
> might individually or collectively support OWW as an incubator for
> next-generation online publishing and community building.  Basically, they
> thought it was a neat idea and they need to think about some stuff.  My
> guess is that any publisher would be of the same opinion.  I'm not anxious
> to push this forward until we hear back re: NSF grant (and possible items
> below, see below).
>
> Meanwhile, more to report...
>
> I spoke with Mike Eisen on Saturday.  Mike is a friend and one of the PLoS
> founders.  He suggested asking the Moore Foundation for a small grant ($250k
> per year, 3 years) to provide turnkey financial support to OWW.  He'd be
> happy to help put our proposal in front of the right person.  Basically,
> this would be a 3-page white paper that I could pull together pretty quickly
> from the NSF grant.  It seems like a good idea to me.  Please let me know if
> I should go ahead or not.
>
> I'm still supposed to follow-up with the possibility of a small gift from
> an MIT alum ($50k?) to support OWW.  I will do this unless there's some
> reason not to (hard to imagine).
>
> Best,
> Drew
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *"Odom Don" <DOdom at bos.blackwellpublishing.com>
> *Date: *August 10, 2006 5:35:45 PM EDT
> *To: *<endy at mit.edu>
> *Cc: *"John Benditt" <jbenditt at mac.com>, "Harington Robert" <
> RHarington at bos.blackwellpublishing.com>
> *Subject: **OpenWetWare*
>
> Drew,
>
> It was a pleasure to brainstorm with you and John concerning the various
> exciting avenues for partnering in the further development of OpenWetWare. I
> will brief Robert regarding our discussion and get back to you with any
> additional questions or points that may need clarification as we continue
> the discussion. When Robert is back from parental leave, hopefully we can
> find an opportunity to meet again.
>
> Best regards,
> Don
>
> --
> Don Odom
> Sr Editor, Science Journals
> Blackwell Publishing Inc.
> 350 Main Street
> Malden, MA 02148
> Tel: 781 388 8331
> Fax: 781 338 8331
> Cell: 781 301 1057
> Visit our website: www.blackwellpublishing.com
> Visit our online journals: www.blackwell-synergy.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>
>
>
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From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Mon Aug 28 13:48:02 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:48:02 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW on MetaFilter
Message-ID: <44F32C52.6010105@mit.edu>

MetaFilter (http://www.metafilter.com/) is a popular community weblog.
MetaFilter Projects (http://projects.metafilter.com/) is a section of
the site devoted to letting members announce their projects.  I think it
would be good to advertise OWW there.  Any thoughts?

Ilya


From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Tue Aug 29 16:56:31 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:56:31 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] OWW on MetaFilter
In-Reply-To: <44F4726C.7030107@mit.edu>
References: <44F32C52.6010105@mit.edu>
	<2b0cb7a10608281057h67b722dk1e15156fd124b7ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<44F4726C.7030107@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <44F4A9FF.60100@mit.edu>

FYI: It's now posted at http://projects.metafilter.com/ under August 28.
 If we get enough votes (http://projects.metafilter.com/popular.mefi),
OWW will be featured on the main page (http://www.metafilter.com/) which
will probably result in a traffic surge.

Ilya



From ilyas at MIT.EDU  Thu Aug 31 00:35:51 2006
From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:35:51 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Wikiality
Message-ID: <44F66727.1020809@mit.edu>

A funny video:

Colbert Analyzes Wikipedia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmHm0rGns4I

and a follow up:

Colbert Answers a Call from an Angry Wiki-user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvA2_wX1p4o&NR

Ilya


From acidmucin at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Aug 31 04:27:12 2006
From: acidmucin at yahoo.co.uk (joseph borg)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:27:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [OWW-SC] Joseph Borg - MALTA SC member
Message-ID: <20060831082713.30031.qmail@web26002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Dear Staff Members...
   
  I would like to be more actively engaged in OWW. I have thus far simply added my lab to the site, and contributed just one protocol. I am about to start lecturing Biology students as from next month... and hence thought it would a good opportunity to promoter OWW and its scientific significance. 
   
  May i be included in the SC ?
   
  Is there a guideline for what i should start thinking of? Or should i plan my own things and ideas?
   
  kindest regards
   
  Joseph

 		
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From jasonk at MIT.EDU  Thu Aug 31 08:56:17 2006
From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:56:17 -0400
Subject: [OWW-SC] Wikiality
In-Reply-To: <44F66727.1020809@mit.edu>
References: <44F66727.1020809@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <7c085c480608310556v764ed4d8uada7a1dacb7a5b92@mail.gmail.com>

on a related note, OWW's wikipedia deletion was overturned:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/OpenWetWare_%28second_nomination%29

jason

On 8/31/06, Ilya Sytchev <ilyas at mit.edu> wrote:
> A funny video:
>
> Colbert Analyzes Wikipedia
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmHm0rGns4I
>
> and a follow up:
>
> Colbert Answers a Call from an Angry Wiki-user
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvA2_wX1p4o&NR
>
> Ilya
> _______________________________________________
> OpenWetWare Steering Committee Mailing List
> sc at openwetware.org
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-sc
>