Hi Steven,<br><br>Thanks for the great feedback. It's direct questions like these that we enjoy receiving so that we can make the content as explicit and easy to follow as possible.<br><br><ul><li>We are in the midst of actually getting something ready that will make the whole 1,2,3 process automated with a simple click. But until then, I agree with your point of view about the step-wise issue and I'll make some changes to the Help page.<br>
<br></li><li>The templates are linked at the top (template for iGEM and standard notebook pages). Both the project level and the entry level.<br><br></li><li>As for the "my lab notebook" link in the top right corner, we are changing from that system where notebooks were always set in the "Notebook:" to a free form system where you can place your notebook wherever you want. Keep in mind that we recommend certain structure to the pages to keep things orderly and future-proof for new features that are in the works.<br>
So, that link in the corner is now only there for those users that ever activated the option in their preferences and will soon be made to point to wherever you set up your notebook, either in the user, lab or igem space.</li>
</ul>Thank you for your feedback. It's much appreciated.<br><br>Kind regards,<br>Ricardo<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Steven J. Koch <<a href="mailto:sjkoch@unm.edu">sjkoch@unm.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">Hi All,</font></span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">I just noticed the Lab Notebooks advertisement on the main page.</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> It looks great! Very inviting, I think.</font></span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">I do have a few comments, which are coming from the perspective of someone who hasn</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">'</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">t been following the development in the past few months. Basically, when I read the help page, there are a lot of nice looking things, but I don</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">'</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">t know what to do. I can contrast this to when I first set up a lab page,</font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">which</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> I was able to do</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> easily by</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"></font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">following</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> the step-by-step instructions. I know a lot more about wikis now, but am not clear when reading the Help:Notebook page. Here</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">'</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">re some points which may not be obvious to those who already know what</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">'</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">s going on:</font></span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">1. </font></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri"> It would be good to link to example notebook pages right at the top of the help page.</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> It</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">'</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">s not until the bottom of</font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">the</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> page that screenshots are shown, but even then the links are to images. Maybe I</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">'</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">m missing something obvious</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">, but where do I see a working example?</font></span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">a. </font></span><span lang="en-us"></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">Along the same lines, if there are other related pages can these be linked at the top of the help page?</font></span><span lang="en-us"></span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">2. </font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">The steps are not obvious. Without actually trying it yet, it seems like the steps are 1, 2, 3 (listed vertically</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">: notebook, project, entry</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">) and for each of these steps, we should do 1, 2, 3 (listed horizontally</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">: template, create, paste)</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"></font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">. I think it would</font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">be better to have the steps listed out, similar to</font></span><span lang="en-us"> </span><a href="http://openwetware.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_lab_wiki" target="_blank"><span lang="en-us"><u><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri">http://openwetware.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_lab_wiki</font></u></span><span lang="en-us"></span></a><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> </font></span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">3. </font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">Are</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> there supposed to be some templates on</font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">the</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"></font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">"</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">notebook page</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">"</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">? I don</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">'</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">t see it listed on the</font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">help</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> page.</font></span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">4. </font> <font face="Calibri">When I click on the</font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">"</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">my lab notebook</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">"</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> link at the top right of the page, it goes to</font></span><span lang="en-us"> <font face="Calibri">"</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">Notebook:Steven J. Koch</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">"</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri"> whereas it seems like we</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">'</font></span><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">re supposed to put it in User: namespace? </font></span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">Does any of that make sense?</font></span></p>
<p dir="ltr"><span lang="en-us"><font face="Calibri">--Steve</font></span></p>
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