From bill.altmail at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 09:41:15 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:41:15 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Recently visited pages In-Reply-To: <52c0d2160803311612n942f91aw8272625e039ed084@mail.gmail.com> References: <86c53ac85998da3b9417dab1030d0442@csail.mit.edu> <8763v237y8.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <87prta1pjz.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160803311612n942f91aw8272625e039ed084@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804010641p7070024ep4a2a27be37dbaaf7@mail.gmail.com> I just tried it. It's not working on my machine but I think it's close. 1. The drop-down list won't come when I insert the javascript in my personal monobook.js page. 2. If I add the javascript to a page as , I get the drop-down list on that page with only one entry. If you have any suggestions let me know. On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Barry Canton wrote: > I think such a feature would be very useful (I frequently view recent > changes to find the pages I've been editing recently which is a bit > more awkward). > > But given that we are talking about a sitewide change, I'd be > interested to get Bill's take on it and also have some users test it > prior to implementing sitewide. > > Barry > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Austin Che wrote: > > > > If we wanted to make it sitewide, someone would just have to add > > that line to: http://openwetware.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js > > > > But as no one appears to have even tried it out or uses it other > > than me (as far as I know), it clearly hasn't been a highly > > desired feature. As it changes the UI on every single page, it > > would require some consensus that people wanted it. > > > > > > > > > While I welcome this advice, it is quite different from making it a > > > standard feature of the site. > > > > > > On Mar 31, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Austin Che wrote: > > > > > >> Tom Knight wrote: > > >> > > >>> Other highly linked sites maintain a list of the last half-dozen or > so > > >>> pages visited on the site by you as a click menu on the page. This > > >>> seems like it would be a very welcome navigation feature in OWW. I > > >>> often find myself wanting to switch quickly between several pages. > > >> > > >> Add the following to monobook.js under your userpage or go to > > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Special:Mypage/monobook.js > > >> document.write(''); > > >> > > >> This should add a drop down list of your most recently visited > > >> pages. > > > > -- > > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > -- > Barry Canton > Endy Lab > Biological Engineering Division > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > Tel.:(617) 401-7320 (Grand Central) > Email1: bcanton at mit.edu > Email2: bcanton at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080401/903dc17c/attachment.htm From sjkoch at unm.edu Tue Apr 1 10:26:56 2008 From: sjkoch at unm.edu (Steven J. Koch) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:26:56 -0600 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] I vote for putting text under OWW logo & joinbuttonRE: Oww-discuss Digest, Vol 18, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <7c085c480803311739g5bcd8767o70052daf6ccb37ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <009401c89376$00525980$00f70c80$@edu> <87y77y1qhe.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <7c085c480803311739g5bcd8767o70052daf6ccb37ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a401c89404$70ee13d0$52ca3b70$@edu> I wasn't exactly clear on my concern either. Just unintended consequences, I guess, and I was thinking of it screwing up formatting or something. For me personally, I am fine, but there may be other users who want their content showing up exactly as they set it each time? Another alternative would be to replace two of the top right links (IP address, talk for this IP, which I think are useless, right?) with a "what is OpenWetWare?" link (next to the "log in/ join" link which I just realized is there). This would have the advantage of showing up on all non-logged-in visits, as opposed to only the first visit. And to me it seems less subject to bugs and maintenance issues. --Steve -----Original Message----- From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Jason Kelly Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:40 PM To: Austin Che Cc: oww-discuss at mit.edu Subject: Re: [OWW-Discuss] I vote for putting text under OWW logo & joinbuttonRE: Oww-discuss Digest, Vol 18, Issue 27 I really like the idea of the "new visitor banner", as I understand it there wouldn't be any changes to the wiki-code underlying any page - it would just pop-up a small bar at the top explaining what the site is (and would only do this the 1st time you visit the site). I think having the 'join oww' link and the name 'openwetware' under the logo are good ideas, but they don't tell the visitor what openwetware is at all. And without being told, unless they are very curious, I doubt many will click a "join OWW" link. It seems like this is a very easy thing to try out for a week or two, and we can see if there is an uptick in new accounts. I'm thinking something like this: http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:New_visitor_blurb (I inserted the DNA ligation page below it as an example) keeping in mind jason's comments about treating the spiders properly, what other downside is there? I wasn't clear on exactly what your concern was, steve. thanks, jason On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Austin Che wrote: > "Steven J. Koch" wrote: > > > 1. Text under the wonderful OWW DNA handshake logo, similar to Wikipedia > > (title plus motto) is a great idea for branding. > > Agree. > > > > 2. A Prominent / Permanent "Join OWW" would be nice. I too have to search > > when referring people. > > Agree. > > > > 3. I am hesitant to endorse the one-time "new visitor" addition. It does > > sound fine as described, but I'd vote for erring on the side of caution when > > automatically modifying the page content. A different idea would be to add > > an OWW "motto" to the title bar (again similar to Wikipedia), instead of > > just "OpenWetWare" as it is now. > > I think adding a motto to the title is a great idea and less > intrusive than adding a banner to all pages. > > -- > > > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > _______________________________________________ OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List discuss at openwetware.org http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From lorrielejeune at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 15:49:19 2008 From: lorrielejeune at gmail.com (Lorrie LeJeune) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:49:19 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Reminder: Next SC meeting is thursday, April 10, at 12 noon. Message-ID: <6ac0a26a0804011249u4309777dmf9b933a833e94342@mail.gmail.com> Folks, Just a reminder that the next OWW Steering Committee meeting will take place on Thursday, April 10 at 12 noon. The teleconference bridge will be 617-324-7294. Please add your agenda items to http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee_next_meeting Thanks, --Lorrie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080401/92276f6a/attachment.htm From lorrielejeune at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 15:50:46 2008 From: lorrielejeune at gmail.com (Lorrie LeJeune) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:50:46 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Reminder: Next SC meeting is Thursday, April 10, at 12 noon. Message-ID: <6ac0a26a0804011250o4a9870e3r9daea5d8c96e9e4c@mail.gmail.com> Folks, Just a reminder that the next OWW Steering Committee meeting will take place on Thursday, April 10 at 12 noon. The teleconference bridge will be 617-324-7294. 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URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080401/cd939235/attachment.htm From ilyas at MIT.EDU Tue Apr 1 16:31:04 2008 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:31:04 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] I vote for putting text under OWW logo & joinbuttonRE: Oww-discuss Digest, Vol 18, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <00a401c89404$70ee13d0$52ca3b70$@edu> References: <009401c89376$00525980$00f70c80$@edu> <87y77y1qhe.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <7c085c480803311739g5bcd8767o70052daf6ccb37ec@mail.gmail.com> <00a401c89404$70ee13d0$52ca3b70$@edu> Message-ID: <47F29B88.7080106@mit.edu> As a general note: here are two fairly successful (i.e., having an active and growing user community) social sites that got a lot of UI features right in my opinion: http://www.yelp.com/boston http://boston.going.com/ I think we should learn from their experience and borrow some of their ideas. Ilya Steven J. Koch wrote: > I wasn't exactly clear on my concern either. Just unintended consequences, > I guess, and I was thinking of it screwing up formatting or something. For > me personally, I am fine, but there may be other users who want their > content showing up exactly as they set it each time? > > Another alternative would be to replace two of the top right links (IP > address, talk for this IP, which I think are useless, right?) with a "what > is OpenWetWare?" link (next to the "log in/ join" link which I just realized > is there). This would have the advantage of showing up on all non-logged-in > visits, as opposed to only the first visit. And to me it seems less subject > to bugs and maintenance issues. > > --Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On > Behalf Of Jason Kelly > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:40 PM > To: Austin Che > Cc: oww-discuss at mit.edu > Subject: Re: [OWW-Discuss] I vote for putting text under OWW logo & > joinbuttonRE: Oww-discuss Digest, Vol 18, Issue 27 > > I really like the idea of the "new visitor banner", as I understand it > there wouldn't be any changes to the wiki-code underlying any page - > it would just pop-up a small bar at the top explaining what the site > is (and would only do this the 1st time you visit the site). > > I think having the 'join oww' link and the name 'openwetware' under > the logo are good ideas, but they don't tell the visitor what > openwetware is at all. And without being told, unless they are very > curious, I doubt many will click a "join OWW" link. > > It seems like this is a very easy thing to try out for a week or two, > and we can see if there is an uptick in new accounts. > > I'm thinking something like this: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:New_visitor_blurb > (I inserted the DNA ligation page below it as an example) > > keeping in mind jason's comments about treating the spiders properly, > what other downside is there? I wasn't clear on exactly what your > concern was, steve. > > thanks, > jason > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Austin Che wrote: >> "Steven J. Koch" wrote: >> >> > 1. Text under the wonderful OWW DNA handshake logo, similar to > Wikipedia >> > (title plus motto) is a great idea for branding. >> >> Agree. >> >> >> > 2. A Prominent / Permanent "Join OWW" would be nice. I too have to > search >> > when referring people. >> >> Agree. >> >> >> > 3. I am hesitant to endorse the one-time "new visitor" addition. It > does >> > sound fine as described, but I'd vote for erring on the side of caution > when >> > automatically modifying the page content. A different idea would be to > add >> > an OWW "motto" to the title bar (again similar to Wikipedia), instead > of >> > just "OpenWetWare" as it is now. >> >> I think adding a motto to the title is a great idea and less >> intrusive than adding a banner to all pages. >> >> -- >> >> >> Austin Che (617)253-5899 >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> discuss at openwetware.org >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From ilyas at MIT.EDU Tue Apr 1 17:44:22 2008 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:44:22 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Google Talk chatback badge Message-ID: <47F2ACB6.8020903@mit.edu> http://www.google.com/support/talkgadget/bin/answer.py?answer=86171 This allows to have another way of contacting a user in real time without using any desktop software. See here, for a example: http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Ilya/Sandbox Potentially, we can provide each OWW user with a badge like this if we register openwetware.org for Google Apps (http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/index.html). I think we could even put one automatically on the User page when an OWW account is created. Also, we could probably use it for group chats like Steering Committee or Lounge. Ilya From bill.altmail at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 17:46:05 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:46:05 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Google Talk chatback badge In-Reply-To: <47F2ACB6.8020903@mit.edu> References: <47F2ACB6.8020903@mit.edu> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804011446t69a84f88q94085c2431ad8cd1@mail.gmail.com> Holy ADHD Epidemic, Batman.... This looks neat. I can just see the time melting.... Where's Dali when you need him? http://julieluongo.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/salvador_dali__s_melting_clock_by_lianu.jpg On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > http://www.google.com/support/talkgadget/bin/answer.py?answer=86171 > > This allows to have another way of contacting a user in real time > without using any desktop software. See here, for a example: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Ilya/Sandbox > > Potentially, we can provide each OWW user with a badge like this if we > register openwetware.org for Google Apps > (http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/index.html). > I think we could even put one automatically on the User page when an OWW > account is created. > > Also, we could probably use it for group chats like Steering Committee > or Lounge. > > Ilya > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080401/32705e03/attachment.htm From rvidal at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 17:56:43 2008 From: rvidal at gmail.com (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:56:43 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Google Talk chatback badge In-Reply-To: <47F2ACB6.8020903@mit.edu> References: <47F2ACB6.8020903@mit.edu> Message-ID: <213fc43b0804011456p767c3faib4e7426b930a2d4d@mail.gmail.com> Works pretty good. Although I show up as a "Guest" when talking to the person via this method. Might be a way to make the person identifiable? Anyhow, it's a great little app On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > http://www.google.com/support/talkgadget/bin/answer.py?answer=86171 > > This allows to have another way of contacting a user in real time > without using any desktop software. See here, for a example: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Ilya/Sandbox > > Potentially, we can provide each OWW user with a badge like this if we > register openwetware.org for Google Apps > (http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/index.html). > I think we could even put one automatically on the User page when an OWW > account is created. > > Also, we could probably use it for group chats like Steering Committee > or Lounge. > > Ilya > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -- Ricardo Vidal rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080401/a9ac9085/attachment.htm From austin at csail.mit.edu Tue Apr 1 20:01:40 2008 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:01:40 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Google Talk chatback badge In-Reply-To: <47F2ACB6.8020903@mit.edu> (Ilya Sytchev's message of "Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:44:22 -0400") References: <47F2ACB6.8020903@mit.edu> Message-ID: <87hcelxgyj.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> I upgraded our openfire to the evaluation version of Openfire Enterprise as it provides many of the things here. For example, check out the web client for users: http://openwetware.org:9090/plugins/enterprise/sparkweb/index.jsp For guest users, they can go here: http://openwetware.org:9090/webchat They can click on the 'help' group and all users logged in who are in that group will receive a message asking if they want to take the question and will initiate a web chat with them. BTW, I also noticed that mozilla uses this same thing. They encourage Firefox users to download the Spark client and to answer questions that random users ask from the web http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Helping+with+Live+Chat > http://www.google.com/support/talkgadget/bin/answer.py?answer=86171 > > This allows to have another way of contacting a user in real time > without using any desktop software. See here, for a example: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Ilya/Sandbox > > Potentially, we can provide each OWW user with a badge like this if we > register openwetware.org for Google Apps > (http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/index.html). > I think we could even put one automatically on the User page when an OWW > account is created. > > Also, we could probably use it for group chats like Steering Committee > or Lounge. -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From austin at csail.mit.edu Tue Apr 1 20:47:09 2008 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:47:09 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Google Talk chatback badge In-Reply-To: <87hcelxgyj.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> (Austin Che's message of "Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:01:40 -0400") References: <47F2ACB6.8020903@mit.edu> <87hcelxgyj.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Message-ID: <878wzxxeuq.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> I also figured out that there's a "co-browsing" feature as part of the live chat. It's perfect for showing people around the site for example or demoing the wiki. > I upgraded our openfire to the evaluation version of Openfire > Enterprise as it provides many of the things here. For example, > check out the web client for users: > http://openwetware.org:9090/plugins/enterprise/sparkweb/index.jsp > > For guest users, they can go here: > http://openwetware.org:9090/webchat > > They can click on the 'help' group and all users logged in who are > in that group will receive a message asking if they want to take > the question and will initiate a web chat with them. > > BTW, I also noticed that mozilla uses this same thing. They > encourage Firefox users to download the Spark client and to answer > questions that random users ask from the web > http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Helping+with+Live+Chat -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From julius at younglucks.com Thu Apr 3 15:47:17 2008 From: julius at younglucks.com (Julius B. Lucks) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:47:17 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Feedback form being used for individual contact Message-ID: <1034E081-FE16-44B8-8681-68061E532171@younglucks.com> Maybe we should put something on the feedback system to let people know: "Use this feedback page to tell us what you think about the OpenWetWare website. If you are trying to contact a specific user, try looking on their [[Special:Listusers|User Page]] for their contact information." Cheers, Julius ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080403/f3a91be7/attachment.htm From ilyas at MIT.EDU Thu Apr 3 16:29:13 2008 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:29:13 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Feedback form being used for individual contact In-Reply-To: <1034E081-FE16-44B8-8681-68061E532171@younglucks.com> References: <1034E081-FE16-44B8-8681-68061E532171@younglucks.com> Message-ID: <47F53E19.3020603@mit.edu> Sure but this points to a larger problem of insufficient branding on the site. When people visit a particular page (usually from a Google search) they have no idea that it is a part of a larger community, so they think that "Contact Us" link is directly related to the content of the wiki page they are viewing (for example: http://openwetware.org/wiki/Maureen_Hoatlin). Ilya Julius B. Lucks wrote: > Maybe we should put something on the feedback system to let people know: > "Use this feedback page to tell us what you think about the OpenWetWare > website. If you are trying to contact a specific user, try looking on > their [[Special:Listusers|User Page]] for their contact information." > > Cheers, > > Julius > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From moltogatti at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 10:17:01 2008 From: moltogatti at gmail.com (Lorrie LeJeune) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:17:01 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Feedback form being used for individual contact In-Reply-To: <47F53E19.3020603@mit.edu> References: <1034E081-FE16-44B8-8681-68061E532171@younglucks.com> <47F53E19.3020603@mit.edu> Message-ID: <2cbee05b0804040717h13282b43j26c1b184ed841c35@mail.gmail.com> Why not just change the link to say "Contact OpenWetWare"? --Lorrie On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > Sure but this points to a larger problem of insufficient branding on the > site. When people visit a particular page (usually from a Google > search) they have no idea that it is a part of a larger community, so > they think that "Contact Us" link is directly related to the content of > the wiki page they are viewing (for example: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/Maureen_Hoatlin). > > Ilya > > > Julius B. Lucks wrote: > > Maybe we should put something on the feedback system to let people know: > > "Use this feedback page to tell us what you think about the OpenWetWare > > website. If you are trying to contact a specific user, try looking on > > their [[Special:Listusers|User Page]] for their contact information." > > > > Cheers, > > > > Julius > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com > > > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When people visit a particular page (usually from a Google > > search) they have no idea that it is a part of a larger community, so > > they think that "Contact Us" link is directly related to the content of > > the wiki page they are viewing (for example: > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/Maureen_Hoatlin). > > > > Ilya > > > > > > Julius B. Lucks wrote: > > > Maybe we should put something on the feedback system to let people > > know: > > > "Use this feedback page to tell us what you think about the > > OpenWetWare > > > website. If you are trying to contact a specific user, try looking on > > > their [[Special:Listusers|User Page]] for their contact information." > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Julius > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com > > > > > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > -- Ricardo Vidal rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080404/00b544fb/attachment.htm From ilyas at MIT.EDU Fri Apr 4 19:11:24 2008 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:11:24 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Feedback form being used for individual contact In-Reply-To: <213fc43b0804040719p7bd55e8fy6defe0b1d970b4f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1034E081-FE16-44B8-8681-68061E532171@younglucks.com> <47F53E19.3020603@mit.edu> <2cbee05b0804040717h13282b43j26c1b184ed841c35@mail.gmail.com> <213fc43b0804040719p7bd55e8fy6defe0b1d970b4f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F6B59C.7060202@mit.edu> Perhaps but it won't solve a larger branding problem which I think is important for building an online community. When a user ends up on a lab page via a search engine, they don't see any indication that there's anything beyond what they see (except for "OpenWetWare" in the page title and a tiny link "About OpenWetWare" at the bottom which are not very user-friendly). Right now we have a bunch of islands/dead ends (labs, people, etc) that are not really connected to each other and to other things on OWW. Visit any successful social networking site and you'll see how everything is tied nicely together. Ilya Ricardo Vidal wrote: > I agree. Change it to "Contact OWW" and things become crystal clear. > > ~R > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Lorrie LeJeune > wrote: > > Why not just change the link to say "Contact OpenWetWare"? > > --Lorrie > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Ilya Sytchev > wrote: > > Sure but this points to a larger problem of insufficient > branding on the > site. When people visit a particular page (usually from a Google > search) they have no idea that it is a part of a larger > community, so > they think that "Contact Us" link is directly related to the > content of > the wiki page they are viewing (for example: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/Maureen_Hoatlin). > > Ilya > > > Julius B. Lucks wrote: > > Maybe we should put something on the feedback system to let > people know: > > "Use this feedback page to tell us what you think about the > OpenWetWare > > website. If you are trying to contact a specific user, try > looking on > > their [[Special:Listusers|User Page]] for their contact > information." > > > > Cheers, > > > > Julius > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com > > > > > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > -- > Ricardo Vidal > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science From julius.lucks at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 12:32:57 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 09:32:57 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Feedback form being used for individual contact In-Reply-To: <47F6B59C.7060202@mit.edu> References: <1034E081-FE16-44B8-8681-68061E532171@younglucks.com> <47F53E19.3020603@mit.edu> <2cbee05b0804040717h13282b43j26c1b184ed841c35@mail.gmail.com> <213fc43b0804040719p7bd55e8fy6defe0b1d970b4f2@mail.gmail.com> <47F6B59C.7060202@mit.edu> Message-ID: Aren't we going forward with a new icon with words on the upper left and a 'join OWW' button too? J On Apr 4, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > Perhaps but it won't solve a larger branding problem which I think > is important for building an online community. When a user ends up > on a lab page via a search engine, they don't see any indication > that there's anything beyond what they see (except for "OpenWetWare" > in the page title and a tiny link "About OpenWetWare" at the bottom > which are not very user-friendly). > Right now we have a bunch of islands/dead ends (labs, people, etc) > that are not really connected to each other and to other things on > OWW. Visit any successful social networking site and you'll see how > everything is tied nicely together. > > Ilya > > > Ricardo Vidal wrote: >> I agree. Change it to "Contact OWW" and things become crystal clear. >> ~R >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Lorrie LeJeune >> > wrote: >> Why not just change the link to say "Contact OpenWetWare"? >> --Lorrie >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Ilya Sytchev > > wrote: >> Sure but this points to a larger problem of insufficient >> branding on the >> site. When people visit a particular page (usually from a >> Google >> search) they have no idea that it is a part of a larger >> community, so >> they think that "Contact Us" link is directly related to the >> content of >> the wiki page they are viewing (for example: >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Maureen_Hoatlin). >> Ilya >> Julius B. Lucks wrote: >> > Maybe we should put something on the feedback system to let >> people know: >> > "Use this feedback page to tell us what you think about the >> OpenWetWare >> > website. If you are trying to contact a specific user, try >> looking on >> > their [[Special:Listusers|User Page]] for their contact >> information." >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Julius >> > >> > >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com >> >> > > > >> > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks >> > >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> --- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> > discuss at openwetware.org >> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> discuss at openwetware.org >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> discuss at openwetware.org >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> -- >> Ricardo Vidal >> rvidal at gmail.com | http:// >> my.biotechlife.net >> http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science From jasonk at MIT.EDU Sat Apr 5 13:36:06 2008 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:36:06 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Feedback form being used for individual contact In-Reply-To: References: <1034E081-FE16-44B8-8681-68061E532171@younglucks.com> <47F53E19.3020603@mit.edu> <2cbee05b0804040717h13282b43j26c1b184ed841c35@mail.gmail.com> <213fc43b0804040719p7bd55e8fy6defe0b1d970b4f2@mail.gmail.com> <47F6B59C.7060202@mit.edu> Message-ID: <7c085c480804051036k4f7e08b7sae0eb4653e1d2a90@mail.gmail.com> sure, sounded like everyone thought that was a good idea. We need someone to make a design for the new logo. Should just be the current logo + "openwetware, share your science" underneath (see the wikipedia logo for inspiration) if anyone makes one up, send it out to the list. Also, the "join OWW" could be as simple as a link in the toolbar, to begin with. though a small image with join OWW might be good there too. thanks, jason On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, julius.lucks wrote: > Aren't we going forward with a new icon with words on the upper left > and a 'join OWW' button too? > > J > > > > On Apr 4, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > > > Perhaps but it won't solve a larger branding problem which I think > > is important for building an online community. When a user ends up > > on a lab page via a search engine, they don't see any indication > > that there's anything beyond what they see (except for "OpenWetWare" > > in the page title and a tiny link "About OpenWetWare" at the bottom > > which are not very user-friendly). > > Right now we have a bunch of islands/dead ends (labs, people, etc) > > that are not really connected to each other and to other things on > > OWW. Visit any successful social networking site and you'll see how > > everything is tied nicely together. > > > > Ilya > > > > > > Ricardo Vidal wrote: > >> I agree. Change it to "Contact OWW" and things become crystal clear. > >> ~R > >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Lorrie LeJeune > >> > wrote: > >> Why not just change the link to say "Contact OpenWetWare"? > >> --Lorrie > >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Ilya Sytchev >> > wrote: > >> Sure but this points to a larger problem of insufficient > >> branding on the > >> site. When people visit a particular page (usually from a > >> Google > >> search) they have no idea that it is a part of a larger > >> community, so > >> they think that "Contact Us" link is directly related to the > >> content of > >> the wiki page they are viewing (for example: > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Maureen_Hoatlin). > >> Ilya > >> Julius B. Lucks wrote: > >> > Maybe we should put something on the feedback system to let > >> people know: > >> > "Use this feedback page to tell us what you think about the > >> OpenWetWare > >> > website. If you are trying to contact a specific user, try > >> looking on > >> > their [[Special:Listusers|User Page]] for their contact > >> information." > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > Julius > >> > > >> > > >> > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com > >> > >> > >> > > >> > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > >> > > >> > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> --- > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> --- > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > >> > discuss at openwetware.org > >> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > >> discuss at openwetware.org > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > >> discuss at openwetware.org > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > >> -- > >> Ricardo Vidal > >> rvidal at gmail.com | http:// > >> my.biotechlife.net > >> http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > From rvidal at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 13:39:50 2008 From: rvidal at gmail.com (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:39:50 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Feedback form being used for individual contact In-Reply-To: <7c085c480804051036k4f7e08b7sae0eb4653e1d2a90@mail.gmail.com> References: <1034E081-FE16-44B8-8681-68061E532171@younglucks.com> <47F53E19.3020603@mit.edu> <2cbee05b0804040717h13282b43j26c1b184ed841c35@mail.gmail.com> <213fc43b0804040719p7bd55e8fy6defe0b1d970b4f2@mail.gmail.com> <47F6B59C.7060202@mit.edu> <7c085c480804051036k4f7e08b7sae0eb4653e1d2a90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <213fc43b0804051039q5bd690a3m718f0d685dce5672@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps one of these buttons can be used as the "Join OWW" button? http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Design/Support_OWW ~R On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > sure, sounded like everyone thought that was a good idea. > > We need someone to make a design for the new logo. Should just be the > current logo + "openwetware, share your science" underneath (see the > wikipedia logo for inspiration) > > if anyone makes one up, send it out to the list. > > Also, the "join OWW" could be as simple as a link in the toolbar, to > begin with. though a small image with join OWW might be good there > too. > > thanks, > jason > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, julius.lucks > wrote: > > Aren't we going forward with a new icon with words on the upper left > > and a 'join OWW' button too? > > > > J > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > > > > > Perhaps but it won't solve a larger branding problem which I think > > > is important for building an online community. When a user ends up > > > on a lab page via a search engine, they don't see any indication > > > that there's anything beyond what they see (except for "OpenWetWare" > > > in the page title and a tiny link "About OpenWetWare" at the bottom > > > which are not very user-friendly). > > > Right now we have a bunch of islands/dead ends (labs, people, etc) > > > that are not really connected to each other and to other things on > > > OWW. Visit any successful social networking site and you'll see how > > > everything is tied nicely together. > > > > > > Ilya > > > > > > > > > Ricardo Vidal wrote: > > >> I agree. Change it to "Contact OWW" and things become crystal clear. > > >> ~R > > >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Lorrie LeJeune > > >> > wrote: > > >> Why not just change the link to say "Contact OpenWetWare"? > > >> --Lorrie > > >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Ilya Sytchev > >> > wrote: > > >> Sure but this points to a larger problem of insufficient > > >> branding on the > > >> site. When people visit a particular page (usually from a > > >> Google > > >> search) they have no idea that it is a part of a larger > > >> community, so > > >> they think that "Contact Us" link is directly related to the > > >> content of > > >> the wiki page they are viewing (for example: > > >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Maureen_Hoatlin). > > >> Ilya > > >> Julius B. Lucks wrote: > > >> > Maybe we should put something on the feedback system to > let > > >> people know: > > >> > "Use this feedback page to tell us what you think about > the > > >> OpenWetWare > > >> > website. If you are trying to contact a specific user, > try > > >> looking on > > >> > their [[Special:Listusers|User Page]] for their contact > > >> information." > > >> > > > >> > Cheers, > > >> > > > >> > Julius > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: > julius at younglucks.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > >> > > > >> > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> --- > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> --- > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > >> > discuss at openwetware.org > > >> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > >> discuss at openwetware.org > > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > >> discuss at openwetware.org > > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > >> -- > > >> Ricardo Vidal > > >> rvidal at gmail.com | http:// > > >> my.biotechlife.net > > >> http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -- Ricardo Vidal rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080405/8a5a496f/attachment.htm From julius.lucks at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 16:57:52 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:57:52 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] OWW logo with text In-Reply-To: <016c01c8975e$e0b09cd0$a211d670$@edu> References: <016c01c8975e$e0b09cd0$a211d670$@edu> Message-ID: Looks pretty good. I'm not a huge fan of the cartoony font, and I would say the green and purple a little less intense - maybe sample from the arms in the logo for those. Julius On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:51 PM, "Steven J. Koch" wrote: > Hey all, Anthony in my lab drafted a logo with some text underneath > it. I uploaded it here: http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Antonio/OWW_logo_with_text > > I would think with some comments on font, font size, color, etc. he > could whip up a good final version. What do you think? > > --Steve > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080405/906a10dd/attachment.htm From jennytnguyen at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 16:59:16 2008 From: jennytnguyen at gmail.com (Jenny Nguyen) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 15:59:16 -0500 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] OWW logo with text In-Reply-To: <016c01c8975e$e0b09cd0$a211d670$@edu> References: <016c01c8975e$e0b09cd0$a211d670$@edu> Message-ID: Instead of Comic Sans MS, try Flyer (the font that's used on the logo) or Myriad always looks great. :) Also, making the text less elongated on the vertical would look a little better. How about keeping OWW one color, and "share your science" the same color but a different shade? And then alignment should be adjusted left. The text could be a bit smaller. Hope this helps! On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Steven J. Koch wrote: > Hey all, Anthony in my lab drafted a logo with some text underneath it. > I uploaded it here: * > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Antonio/OWW_logo_with_text* > > I would think with some comments on font, font size, color, etc. he could > whip up a good final version. What do you think? > > --Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080405/c8ff06a3/attachment.htm From austin at csail.mit.edu Sat Apr 5 17:43:22 2008 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:43:22 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] OWW logo with text In-Reply-To: <016c01c8975e$e0b09cd0$a211d670$@edu> (Steven J. Koch's message of "Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:51:51 -0600") References: <016c01c8975e$e0b09cd0$a211d670$@edu> Message-ID: <87od8oyo3p.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> > Hey all, Anthony in my lab drafted a logo with some text underneath it. I > uploaded it here: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Antonio/OWW_logo_with_text > > I would think with some comments on font, font size, color, etc. he could > whip up a good final version. What do you think? In addition to the other comments, he should make sure it's a transparent png. This is the current version of the logo which is transparent while the one above is not transparent. http://openwetware.org/OWWEmblem.png The same logo appears in other places where the background is not blue so you should take that into account also. -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From rvidal at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 02:32:11 2008 From: rvidal at gmail.com (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 02:32:11 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] OWW logo with text In-Reply-To: <87od8oyo3p.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> References: <016c01c8975e$e0b09cd0$a211d670$@edu> <87od8oyo3p.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Message-ID: <213fc43b0804052332i4dea33d3vd0ab12e3b922c1e9@mail.gmail.com> Here's my attempt: http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Ricardo_Vidal/sandbox#OWW_Logo_with_text (It's set inside a table with the same color background as the where the current logo is) The transparent png file is here: http://openwetware.org/wiki/Image:Oww_logo_w_text.png ~R On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Austin Che wrote: > > > Hey all, Anthony in my lab drafted a logo with some text underneath it. > I > > uploaded it here: > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Antonio/OWW_logo_with_text > > > > I would think with some comments on font, font size, color, etc. he > could > > whip up a good final version. What do you think? > > In addition to the other comments, he should make sure it's a > transparent png. This is the current version of the logo which is > transparent while the one above is not transparent. > http://openwetware.org/OWWEmblem.png > The same logo appears in other places where the background is not > blue so you should take that into account also. > > -- > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -- Ricardo Vidal rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080406/6f057847/attachment.htm From julius.lucks at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 03:12:57 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:12:57 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] OWW logo with text In-Reply-To: <213fc43b0804052332i4dea33d3vd0ab12e3b922c1e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <016c01c8975e$e0b09cd0$a211d670$@edu> <87od8oyo3p.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <213fc43b0804052332i4dea33d3vd0ab12e3b922c1e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks great. J ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- On Apr 5, 2008, at 11:32 PM, Ricardo Vidal wrote: > Here's my attempt: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Ricardo_Vidal/ > sandbox#OWW_Logo_with_text > (It's set inside a table with the same color background as the > where the current logo is) > > The transparent png file is here: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/Image:Oww_logo_w_text.png > > ~R > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Austin Che > wrote: > > > Hey all, Anthony in my lab drafted a logo with some text > underneath it. I > > uploaded it here: > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Antonio/OWW_logo_with_text > > > > I would think with some comments on font, font size, color, etc. > he could > > whip up a good final version. What do you think? > > In addition to the other comments, he should make sure it's a > transparent png. This is the current version of the logo which is > transparent while the one above is not transparent. > http://openwetware.org/OWWEmblem.png > The same logo appears in other places where the background is not > blue so you should take that into account also. > > -- > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > -- > Ricardo Vidal > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080406/84a5dc20/attachment.htm From asalvagn at unm.edu Sun Apr 6 13:51:59 2008 From: asalvagn at unm.edu (Anthony Salvagno) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:51:59 -0600 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] remodeled prior logo attempt Message-ID: <4ED13865-FE6B-45D0-8D12-F5F18DD732D4@unm.edu> http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Antonio/OWW_logo_with_text I put up two new versions of my previous design. I used some suggestions from Jenny and I also uploaded the transparent. My pics are on a table just like the one Ricardo used for his version. I chose to go with different colors for Open and WetWare to model the banner on the main page, and cause multicolors are hot (everyone's doing it now-a-days)! I look forward to your feedback. ~Ant -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080406/249c6708/attachment.htm From julius.lucks at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 03:12:57 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:12:57 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] OWW logo with text In-Reply-To: <213fc43b0804052332i4dea33d3vd0ab12e3b922c1e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <016c01c8975e$e0b09cd0$a211d670$@edu> <87od8oyo3p.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <213fc43b0804052332i4dea33d3vd0ab12e3b922c1e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks great. J ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- On Apr 5, 2008, at 11:32 PM, Ricardo Vidal wrote: > Here's my attempt: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Ricardo_Vidal/ > sandbox#OWW_Logo_with_text > (It's set inside a table with the same color background as the > where the current logo is) > > The transparent png file is here: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/Image:Oww_logo_w_text.png > > ~R > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Austin Che > wrote: > > > Hey all, Anthony in my lab drafted a logo with some text > underneath it. I > > uploaded it here: > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Antonio/OWW_logo_with_text > > > > I would think with some comments on font, font size, color, etc. > he could > > whip up a good final version. What do you think? > > In addition to the other comments, he should make sure it's a > transparent png. This is the current version of the logo which is > transparent while the one above is not transparent. > http://openwetware.org/OWWEmblem.png > The same logo appears in other places where the background is not > blue so you should take that into account also. > > -- > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > -- > Ricardo Vidal > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080406/84a5dc20/attachment-0001.htm From julius.lucks at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 17:40:23 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:40:23 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from Kevin Ahern) In-Reply-To: References: <20080406211254.D83103D1FA8@mail.openwetware.org> <57C5505F-39B6-4D8D-9B51-196F6B942A3B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A53523D-AA51-499B-992F-DE79D0B018C1@gmail.com> Kevin Ahern is writing an article about OWW (see below). He is looking for a higher resolution image of the following: http://openwetware.org/wiki/Image:BarberoECDimage.JPG or perhaps another compelling high-res OWW image. Can anyone help with this? Cheers, Julius --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Apr 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, OpenWetWare Feedback Form on >> OpenWetWare wrote: >> >>> Hi : >>> >>> My name is Kevin Ahern and I'm the WebWatch columnist for >>> BioTechniques. WebWatch is a monthly feature in the journal where >>> I review a number of Web sites of interest to our readers. I'm >>> writing to let you know that I'd like to write up your OpenWetWare >>> site in an upcoming edition. As part of our coverage, we like to >>> reproduce a graphic or two from the Web sites we cover to help >>> dress up the article. Could I obtain permission to use graphics >>> from your Web site to accompany the article? Also, if you could >>> provide me with a high-resolution image from the site, I would be >>> most appreciative. Thanks in advance for considering this. >>> >>> Kevin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Oww-Feedback mailing list >>> Oww-Feedback at mit.edu >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-feedback > > > -- > _______________________________________________________ > Dr. Kevin Ahern - ALS 2145 / 541-737-2305 / ahernk at onid.orst.edu > Senior Instructor Bioch./Bioph., Oregon State University - Facebook? > Of course > BioTechniques "WebWatch"/Contributing Editor - "http://www.biotechniques.com > GEN "Best of the Web"/Contributing Editor - http://www.genengnews.com/bestofweb/list.aspx > Check out my new GEN Blog at http://www.genengnews.com/blog/ > Metabolic Melodies - http://www.davincipress.com/metabmelodies.html > My calendar - http://ical.mac.com/ahernk1/Kevin%20Ahern's%20Calendar > _______________________________________________________ From jasonk at MIT.EDU Sun Apr 6 18:02:46 2008 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:02:46 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from Kevin Ahern) In-Reply-To: <0A53523D-AA51-499B-992F-DE79D0B018C1@gmail.com> References: <20080406211254.D83103D1FA8@mail.openwetware.org> <57C5505F-39B6-4D8D-9B51-196F6B942A3B@gmail.com> <0A53523D-AA51-499B-992F-DE79D0B018C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c085c480804061502h17fb450bi34cad2fa0268463a@mail.gmail.com> I suspect he just picked that one because it's on the front page ;) I think a photo like this might fit better for an article about OWW: http://research.microsoft.com/aboutmsr/miticampus/projects/LearningServicesProjects/ProjectPage06.htm (i need to see if we can get get copyright cleared on that one, but you get the idea). maybe someone who is a good photographer could whip one up ;) Would be good for us to get together a set of compelling high-res OWW "press images" anyway, start putting stuff here if you've got anything: http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Press/Images thanks! jason On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:40 PM, julius.lucks wrote: > Kevin Ahern is writing an article about OWW (see below). He is > looking for a higher resolution image of the following: > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/Image:BarberoECDimage.JPG > > or perhaps another compelling high-res OWW image. Can anyone help > with this? > > Cheers, > > > Julius > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > >> On Apr 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, OpenWetWare Feedback Form on > >> OpenWetWare wrote: > >> > >>> Hi : > >>> > >>> My name is Kevin Ahern and I'm the WebWatch columnist for > >>> BioTechniques. WebWatch is a monthly feature in the journal where > >>> I review a number of Web sites of interest to our readers. I'm > >>> writing to let you know that I'd like to write up your OpenWetWare > >>> site in an upcoming edition. As part of our coverage, we like to > >>> reproduce a graphic or two from the Web sites we cover to help > >>> dress up the article. Could I obtain permission to use graphics > >>> from your Web site to accompany the article? Also, if you could > >>> provide me with a high-resolution image from the site, I would be > >>> most appreciative. Thanks in advance for considering this. > >>> > >>> Kevin > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Oww-Feedback mailing list > >>> Oww-Feedback at mit.edu > >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-feedback > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________________ > > Dr. Kevin Ahern - ALS 2145 / 541-737-2305 / ahernk at onid.orst.edu > > Senior Instructor Bioch./Bioph., Oregon State University - Facebook? > > Of course > > BioTechniques "WebWatch"/Contributing Editor - "http://www.biotechniques.com > > GEN "Best of the Web"/Contributing Editor - http://www.genengnews.com/bestofweb/list.aspx > > Check out my new GEN Blog at http://www.genengnews.com/blog/ > > Metabolic Melodies - http://www.davincipress.com/metabmelodies.html > > My calendar - http://ical.mac.com/ahernk1/Kevin%20Ahern's%20Calendar > > _______________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > From moltogatti at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 21:56:02 2008 From: moltogatti at gmail.com (Lorrie LeJeune) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:56:02 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from Kevin Ahern) In-Reply-To: <7c085c480804061502h17fb450bi34cad2fa0268463a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080406211254.D83103D1FA8@mail.openwetware.org> <57C5505F-39B6-4D8D-9B51-196F6B942A3B@gmail.com> <0A53523D-AA51-499B-992F-DE79D0B018C1@gmail.com> <7c085c480804061502h17fb450bi34cad2fa0268463a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2cbee05b0804061856nc56010fq3410b1c5ba814267@mail.gmail.com> I've done a fair bit of product photography in my checkered career, so I can easily take a bunch of OWW stock shots and put them up on the wiki. I'll bring my camera equipment in tomorrow and we can stage something. --Lorrie On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > I suspect he just picked that one because it's on the front page ;) > > I think a photo like this might fit better for an article about OWW: > > http://research.microsoft.com/aboutmsr/miticampus/projects/LearningServicesProjects/ProjectPage06.htm > > (i need to see if we can get get copyright cleared on that one, but > you get the idea). maybe someone who is a good photographer could > whip one up ;) > > Would be good for us to get together a set of compelling high-res OWW > "press images" anyway, start putting stuff here if you've got > anything: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Press/Images > > thanks! > jason > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:40 PM, julius.lucks > wrote: > > Kevin Ahern is writing an article about OWW (see below). He is > > looking for a higher resolution image of the following: > > > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/Image:BarberoECDimage.JPG > > > > or perhaps another compelling high-res OWW image. Can anyone help > > with this? > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Julius > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> > > >> On Apr 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, OpenWetWare Feedback Form on > > >> OpenWetWare wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi : > > >>> > > >>> My name is Kevin Ahern and I'm the WebWatch columnist for > > >>> BioTechniques. WebWatch is a monthly feature in the journal where > > >>> I review a number of Web sites of interest to our readers. I'm > > >>> writing to let you know that I'd like to write up your OpenWetWare > > >>> site in an upcoming edition. As part of our coverage, we like to > > >>> reproduce a graphic or two from the Web sites we cover to help > > >>> dress up the article. Could I obtain permission to use graphics > > >>> from your Web site to accompany the article? Also, if you could > > >>> provide me with a high-resolution image from the site, I would be > > >>> most appreciative. Thanks in advance for considering this. > > >>> > > >>> Kevin > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Oww-Feedback mailing list > > >>> Oww-Feedback at mit.edu > > >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-feedback > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > Dr. Kevin Ahern - ALS 2145 / 541-737-2305 / ahernk at onid.orst.edu > > > Senior Instructor Bioch./Bioph., Oregon State University - Facebook? > > > Of course > > > BioTechniques "WebWatch"/Contributing Editor - " > http://www.biotechniques.com > > > GEN "Best of the Web"/Contributing Editor - > http://www.genengnews.com/bestofweb/list.aspx > > > Check out my new GEN Blog at http://www.genengnews.com/blog/ > > > Metabolic Melodies - http://www.davincipress.com/metabmelodies.html > > > My calendar - http://ical.mac.com/ahernk1/Kevin%20Ahern's%20Calendar > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080406/54026018/attachment.htm From austin at csail.mit.edu Mon Apr 7 08:08:33 2008 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:08:33 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] dewikify cache In-Reply-To: <47F9E641.7020302@ipb-halle.de> (Marcel Quint's message of "Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:15:45 +0200") References: <20080404110007.9B4F63D2011@mail.openwetware.org> <87abk9vjre.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <47F9E641.7020302@ipb-halle.de> Message-ID: <87tzideuke.fsf_-_@nitsua.mit.edu> Marcel Quint wrote: > dear austin, > thanks a lot for your immediate response and remapping the website. i > wanted to ask if it is possible that changes on the dewikified website > instantly show up instead of the delay via the cache. would be great > if you could arrange this. > again, thanks for the great platform and support you guys are providing. It's technically possible to disable the cache but it would affect everyone simultaneously. The cache was mainly for performance reasons but, with some work, it's likely possible to eliminate the delay and not have much performance hit. If other people using the dewikify feature agree that the cache is not useful for them, we can look more closely at eliminating the delay. Note, that you can always manually clear the cache by adding "x" to the end of any your urls, e.g. http://quintlab.openwetware.org/x -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From bill.altmail at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 11:14:15 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:14:15 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods Message-ID: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> 1. I'm making the changes to the 'contact us' message to deal with making the purpose clearer today. The label will be changed to "Contact OWW". 2. I'll send out a doc to indicate how anyone with sysop access can make the change in the future without me. 3. There seems to be a real uptick in the number of people using this form related to specific pages. 4. Any suggestions how to handle this for non-members? It's both a need and an opportunity for OWW. The people using the form are the kind of people we'd like to attract to become members. They have specific needs and talents that OWW can benefit by if they are allowed to interact more directly with us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080407/879d6dad/attachment.htm From austin at csail.mit.edu Mon Apr 7 11:35:46 2008 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:35:46 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> (Bill F.'s message of "Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:14:15 -0400") References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> > 3. There seems to be a real uptick in the number of people using this form > related to specific pages. > > 4. Any suggestions how to handle this for non-members? > > It's both a need and an opportunity for OWW. The people using the form are > the kind of people we'd like to attract to become members. They have > specific needs and talents that OWW can benefit by if they are allowed to > interact more directly with us. It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring page and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I can think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages for example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into their lab template, protocol writers would put it into their protocols, etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag and if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it sends to the generic oww feedback address. -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From bcanton at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 7 11:47:52 2008 From: bcanton at MIT.EDU (Barry Canton) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:47:52 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Message-ID: <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> > It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring page > and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm > looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an > email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I can > think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages for > example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into their > lab template, protocol writers would put it into their protocols, > etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag and > if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it sends to > the generic oww feedback address. Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain who the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. -- Barry Canton Endy Lab Biological Engineering Division Massachusetts Institute of Technology Tel.:(617) 401-7320 (Grand Central) Email1: bcanton at mit.edu Email2: bcanton at gmail.com From julius.lucks at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 12:03:04 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:03:04 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We should also put something in the message that if they want to leave a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join OWW and leave a message on a talk page. J On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" wrote: >> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring page >> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm >> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an >> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I can >> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages for >> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into their >> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their protocols, >> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag and >> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it sends to >> the generic oww feedback address. > > Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the > "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the > proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain who > the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > > -- > Barry Canton > Endy Lab > Biological Engineering Division > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > Tel.:(617) 401-7320 (Grand Central) > Email1: bcanton at mit.edu > Email2: bcanton at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From austin at csail.mit.edu Mon Apr 7 12:37:48 2008 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:37:48 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: (julius lucks's message of "Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:03:04 -0700") References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> The message on the page already says to leave a message on the talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a message into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk page. The majority of messages that we have already received have been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will mean we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful feedback for labs won't give them at all. > We should also put something in the message that if they want to leave > a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join OWW and > leave a message on a talk page. > > J > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" wrote: > >>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring page >>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm >>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an >>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I can >>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages for >>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into their >>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their protocols, >>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag and >>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it sends to >>> the generic oww feedback address. >> >> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the >> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the >> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain who >> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From julius.lucks at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 13:02:00 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:02:00 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Message-ID: Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically sitting on the feedback list? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che wrote: > > The message on the page already says to leave a message on the > talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a message > into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk > page. The majority of messages that we have already received have > been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will mean > we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful > feedback for labs won't give them at all. > >> We should also put something in the message that if they want to >> leave >> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join OWW and >> leave a message on a talk page. >> >> J >> >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" wrote: >> >>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring page >>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm >>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an >>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I can >>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages for >>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into their >>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their protocols, >>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag and >>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it sends >>>> to >>>> the generic oww feedback address. >>> >>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the >>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the >>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain who >>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > -- > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From julius.lucks at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 13:02:00 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:02:00 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Message-ID: Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically sitting on the feedback list? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che wrote: > > The message on the page already says to leave a message on the > talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a message > into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk > page. The majority of messages that we have already received have > been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will mean > we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful > feedback for labs won't give them at all. > >> We should also put something in the message that if they want to >> leave >> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join OWW and >> leave a message on a talk page. >> >> J >> >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" wrote: >> >>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring page >>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm >>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an >>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I can >>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages for >>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into their >>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their protocols, >>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag and >>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it sends >>>> to >>>> the generic oww feedback address. >>> >>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the >>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the >>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain who >>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > -- > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From austin at csail.mit.edu Mon Apr 7 13:46:45 2008 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:46:45 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: (julius lucks's message of "Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:02:00 -0700") References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Message-ID: <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the algea that you used in the bio reator." It's impossible to determine who should even be on the feedback list to answer this question. And I really don't think someone who just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be on a list that receives questions about every topic under the sun. However, they probably are interested in questions related to algae protocols so some way of directing those questions to them is useful. > Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically sitting > on the feedback list? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che wrote: > >> >> The message on the page already says to leave a message on the >> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a message >> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk >> page. The majority of messages that we have already received have >> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that >> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will mean >> we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful >> feedback for labs won't give them at all. >> >>> We should also put something in the message that if they want to >>> leave >>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join OWW and >>> leave a message on a talk page. >>> >>> J >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" wrote: >>> >>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring page >>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm >>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an >>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I can >>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages for >>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into their >>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their protocols, >>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag and >>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it sends >>>>> to >>>>> the generic oww feedback address. >>>> >>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the >>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the >>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain who >>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From julius.lucks at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 13:54:19 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:54:19 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Message-ID: Then let's forward the feedback list to duscuss so more people see these messages and can respond. J Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Austin Che wrote: > > Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems > impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: > "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the algea that > you used in the bio reator." > It's impossible to determine who should even be on the feedback > list to answer this question. And I really don't think someone who > just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be on a list > that receives questions about every topic under the sun. However, > they probably are interested in questions related to algae > protocols so some way of directing those questions to them is > useful. > >> Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically >> sitting >> on the feedback list? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che wrote: >> >>> >>> The message on the page already says to leave a message on the >>> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a message >>> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk >>> page. The majority of messages that we have already received have >>> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that >>> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will mean >>> we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful >>> feedback for labs won't give them at all. >>> >>>> We should also put something in the message that if they want to >>>> leave >>>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join OWW >>>> and >>>> leave a message on a talk page. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" wrote: >>>> >>>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring >>>>>> page >>>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm >>>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an >>>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I can >>>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages for >>>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into their >>>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their >>>>>> protocols, >>>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag and >>>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it sends >>>>>> to >>>>>> the generic oww feedback address. >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the >>>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the >>>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain >>>>> who >>>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > -- > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From rvidal at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 14:02:01 2008 From: rvidal at gmail.com (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:02:01 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Message-ID: <213fc43b0804071102v49049afbg65c103ec754ff874@mail.gmail.com> If there is so much discussion really going on, I'd think it be best to have a discussion board and not a blackhole email discussion mailinglist. You know, so that previous questions/answers can be found. But obviously a discussion board is a whole new matter. So I apologize going a bit off topic. ~R On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, julius.lucks wrote: > Then let's forward the feedback list to duscuss so more people see these > messages and can respond. > > J > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Austin Che wrote: > > > > > Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems > > impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: > > "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the algea that > > you used in the bio reator." > > It's impossible to determine who should even be on the feedback > > list to answer this question. And I really don't think someone who > > just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be on a list > > that receives questions about every topic under the sun. However, > > they probably are interested in questions related to algae > > protocols so some way of directing those questions to them is > > useful. > > > >> Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically > >> sitting > >> on the feedback list? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> The message on the page already says to leave a message on the > >>> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a message > >>> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk > >>> page. The majority of messages that we have already received have > >>> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > >>> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will mean > >>> we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful > >>> feedback for labs won't give them at all. > >>> > >>>> We should also put something in the message that if they want to > >>>> leave > >>>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join OWW > >>>> and > >>>> leave a message on a talk page. > >>>> > >>>> J > >>>> > >>>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring > >>>>>> page > >>>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm > >>>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an > >>>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I can > >>>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages for > >>>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into their > >>>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their > >>>>>> protocols, > >>>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag and > >>>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it sends > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> the generic oww feedback address. > >>>>> > >>>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the > >>>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the > >>>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain > >>>>> who > >>>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > > > -- > > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -- Ricardo Vidal rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080407/350c91a5/attachment.htm From moltogatti at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 14:25:07 2008 From: moltogatti at gmail.com (Lorrie LeJeune) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:25:07 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <213fc43b0804071102v49049afbg65c103ec754ff874@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <213fc43b0804071102v49049afbg65c103ec754ff874@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2cbee05b0804071125m1576a030w8faff99b7502de84@mail.gmail.com> I don't think it's too wild an idea. We use WordPress for blogging rather than the wiki because it's better suited for the task. Why not use a discussion list server for a discussion list? There must be some list server software out there that would give us the features we want and still integrate with OWW the way WordPress does. --L On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ricardo Vidal wrote: > If there is so much discussion really going on, I'd think it be best to > have a discussion board and not a blackhole email discussion mailinglist. > You know, so that previous questions/answers can be found. > > But obviously a discussion board is a whole new matter. So I apologize > going a bit off topic. > > ~R > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, julius.lucks > wrote: > > > Then let's forward the feedback list to duscuss so more people see these > > messages and can respond. > > > > J > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Austin Che wrote: > > > > > > > > Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems > > > impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: > > > "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the algea that > > > you used in the bio reator." > > > It's impossible to determine who should even be on the feedback > > > list to answer this question. And I really don't think someone who > > > just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be on a list > > > that receives questions about every topic under the sun. However, > > > they probably are interested in questions related to algae > > > protocols so some way of directing those questions to them is > > > useful. > > > > > >> Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically > > >> sitting > > >> on the feedback list? > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> The message on the page already says to leave a message on the > > >>> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a message > > >>> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk > > >>> page. The majority of messages that we have already received have > > >>> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > > >>> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will mean > > >>> we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful > > >>> feedback for labs won't give them at all. > > >>> > > >>>> We should also put something in the message that if they want to > > >>>> leave > > >>>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join OWW > > >>>> and > > >>>> leave a message on a talk page. > > >>>> > > >>>> J > > >>>> > > >>>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring > > >>>>>> page > > >>>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm > > >>>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an > > >>>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I can > > >>>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages for > > >>>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into their > > >>>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their > > >>>>>> protocols, > > >>>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag and > > >>>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it sends > > >>>>>> to > > >>>>>> the generic oww feedback address. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the > > >>>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the > > >>>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain > > >>>>> who > > >>>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > > > > > -- > > > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > -- > Ricardo Vidal > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080407/5c0ea6fc/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 14:43:49 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:43:49 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <2cbee05b0804071125m1576a030w8faff99b7502de84@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <213fc43b0804071102v49049afbg65c103ec754ff874@mail.gmail.com> <2cbee05b0804071125m1576a030w8faff99b7502de84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804071143u7d2efdc4s7cbc46e867fd71ad@mail.gmail.com> 1. The page is changed. Anyone with Sysop permission can change it. The link is http://openwetware.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Contact 2. I've had experience with a number of discussion forum products. The simplest and most efficient is the lightweight "PunBB" forum. It's not as clumsy and garish as phpBB nor is it as well-supported with a large community as phpBB, simple machine forum, or Vanilla ( a product and not an OS project). But it's very solid and used by a lot of hosts. There's no MediaWiki integration with it at this point. The only mediawiki integration present with any forum is to allow MediaWiki's OpenID to become a client to it. Since OWW currently is an OpenID server, this isn't immediately an option. Keep in mind that there's no integration with WordPressMU either and we still use it. I downloaded and installed the software here: http://www.openwetware.org/forum Take a look at it. If we can get by without integration initially, it would be a lot better than what we're doing. Over time, we can add integration to the wiki. We can immediately add Google Analytics to it and make sure it gets spidered by Google for search. We can add more sophisticated integration later. This took 10-15 minutes to do: I'm not hijacking priorities to do this. I've spent at least that long reading and replying to this thread: it's no big deal. But if I need to spend more time on it, we'll have to schedule and prioritize the work. Remember. This is JUST a suggestion. If you kill the messenger, please tell my wife that I won't be home for dinner. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Lorrie LeJeune wrote: > I don't think it's too wild an idea. We use WordPress for blogging rather > than the wiki because it's better suited for the task. Why not use a > discussion list server for a discussion list? There must be some list server > software out there that would give us the features we want and still > integrate with OWW the way WordPress does. > > --L > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ricardo Vidal wrote: > > > If there is so much discussion really going on, I'd think it be best to > > have a discussion board and not a blackhole email discussion mailinglist. > > You know, so that previous questions/answers can be found. > > > > But obviously a discussion board is a whole new matter. So I apologize > > going a bit off topic. > > > > ~R > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, julius.lucks > > wrote: > > > > > Then let's forward the feedback list to duscuss so more people see > > > these > > > messages and can respond. > > > > > > J > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Austin Che wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems > > > > impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: > > > > "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the algea > > > that > > > > you used in the bio reator." > > > > It's impossible to determine who should even be on the feedback > > > > list to answer this question. And I really don't think someone > > > who > > > > just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be on a list > > > > that receives questions about every topic under the sun. However, > > > > they probably are interested in questions related to algae > > > > protocols so some way of directing those questions to them is > > > > useful. > > > > > > > >> Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically > > > >> sitting > > > >> on the feedback list? > > > >> > > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > >> > > > >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> The message on the page already says to leave a message on the > > > >>> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a message > > > >>> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk > > > >>> page. The majority of messages that we have already received > > > have > > > >>> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > > > >>> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will > > > mean > > > >>> we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful > > > >>> feedback for labs won't give them at all. > > > >>> > > > >>>> We should also put something in the message that if they want to > > > >>>> leave > > > >>>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join OWW > > > >>>> and > > > >>>> leave a message on a talk page. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> J > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" > > > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring > > > >>>>>> page > > > >>>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm > > > >>>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an > > > >>>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I > > > can > > > >>>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages > > > for > > > >>>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into > > > their > > > >>>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their > > > >>>>>> protocols, > > > >>>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag > > > and > > > >>>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it > > > sends > > > >>>>>> to > > > >>>>>> the generic oww feedback address. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the > > > >>>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the > > > >>>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain > > > >>>>> who > > > >>>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ricardo Vidal > > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080407/1f27cea0/attachment.htm From julius.lucks at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 14:48:28 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:48:28 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <26428aaa0804071143u7d2efdc4s7cbc46e867fd71ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87tzidy8x9.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <52c0d2160804070847i1b850ef9re04bfbaf60968e3b@mail.gmail.com> <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <213fc43b0804071102v49049afbg65c103ec754ff874@mail.gmail.com> <2cbee05b0804071125m1576a030w8faff99b7502de84@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804071143u7d2efdc4s7cbc46e867fd71ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Bill, How hard would it be to have both the discussion forum going, and the regular email-based discussion list? If we can have both, we can gradually do a migration over in which case I think what you have done is awesome. Julius ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Bill F wrote: > 1. The page is changed. Anyone with Sysop permission can change it. > The link is > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Contact > > 2. I've had experience with a number of discussion forum products. > The simplest and most efficient is the lightweight "PunBB" forum. > It's not as clumsy and garish as phpBB nor is it as well-supported > with a large community as phpBB, simple machine forum, or Vanilla > ( a product and not an OS project). But it's very solid and used by > a lot of hosts. > > There's no MediaWiki integration with it at this point. The only > mediawiki integration present with any forum is to allow > MediaWiki's OpenID to become a client to it. Since OWW currently is > an OpenID server, this isn't immediately an option. > > Keep in mind that there's no integration with WordPressMU either > and we still use it. > > I downloaded and installed the software here: > > http://www.openwetware.org/forum > > Take a look at it. > > If we can get by without integration initially, it would be a lot > better than what we're doing. Over time, we can add integration to > the wiki. We can immediately add Google Analytics to it and make > sure it gets spidered by Google for search. We can add more > sophisticated integration later. > > This took 10-15 minutes to do: I'm not hijacking priorities to do > this. I've spent at least that long reading and replying to this > thread: it's no big deal. But if I need to spend more time on it, > we'll have to schedule and prioritize the work. > > Remember. This is JUST a suggestion. If you kill the messenger, > please tell my wife that I won't be home for dinner. > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Lorrie LeJeune > wrote: > I don't think it's too wild an idea. We use WordPress for blogging > rather than the wiki because it's better suited for the task. Why > not use a discussion list server for a discussion list? There must > be some list server software out there that would give us the > features we want and still integrate with OWW the way WordPress does. > > --L > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ricardo Vidal > wrote: > If there is so much discussion really going on, I'd think it be > best to have a discussion board and not a blackhole email > discussion mailinglist. You know, so that previous questions/ > answers can be found. > > But obviously a discussion board is a whole new matter. So I > apologize going a bit off topic. > > ~R > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, julius.lucks > wrote: > Then let's forward the feedback list to duscuss so more people see > these > messages and can respond. > > J > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Austin Che wrote: > > > > > Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems > > impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: > > "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the algea > that > > you used in the bio reator." > > It's impossible to determine who should even be on the feedback > > list to answer this question. And I really don't think someone > who > > just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be on a list > > that receives questions about every topic under the sun. However, > > they probably are interested in questions related to algae > > protocols so some way of directing those questions to them is > > useful. > > > >> Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically > >> sitting > >> on the feedback list? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> The message on the page already says to leave a message on the > >>> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a message > >>> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk > >>> page. The majority of messages that we have already received > have > >>> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > >>> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will > mean > >>> we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful > >>> feedback for labs won't give them at all. > >>> > >>>> We should also put something in the message that if they want to > >>>> leave > >>>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join OWW > >>>> and > >>>> leave a message on a talk page. > >>>> > >>>> J > >>>> > >>>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring > >>>>>> page > >>>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm > >>>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send an > >>>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation > I can > >>>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages > for > >>>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into > their > >>>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their > >>>>>> protocols, > >>>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a > tag and > >>>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it > sends > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> the generic oww feedback address. > >>>>> > >>>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the > >>>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think the > >>>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better explain > >>>>> who > >>>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > > > -- > > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > -- > Ricardo Vidal > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080407/fba8b04f/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 14:57:24 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:57:24 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <213fc43b0804071102v49049afbg65c103ec754ff874@mail.gmail.com> <2cbee05b0804071125m1576a030w8faff99b7502de84@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804071143u7d2efdc4s7cbc46e867fd71ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804071157q53e8367ev7d2e9fbd428bf086@mail.gmail.com> I'm not proposing to kill anything. Lists work. I'm just suggesting that something like a forum is another option. One that I think may be useful. Not to take away anything from my efforts but I've not done much. LOL. What matters is whether the community thinks it could work better than what we currently do in a somewhat sequestered atmosphere. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:48 PM, julius.lucks wrote: > Hey Bill, > How hard would it be to have both the discussion forum going, and the > regular email-based discussion list? If we can have both, we can gradually > do a migration over in which case I think what you have done is awesome. > > Julius > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Bill F wrote: > > 1. The page is changed. Anyone with Sysop permission can change it. The > link is > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Contact > > 2. I've had experience with a number of discussion forum products. The > simplest and most efficient is the lightweight "PunBB" forum. It's not as > clumsy and garish as phpBB nor is it as well-supported with a large > community as phpBB, simple machine forum, or Vanilla ( a product and not an > OS project). But it's very solid and used by a lot of hosts. > > There's no MediaWiki integration with it at this point. The only mediawiki > integration present with any forum is to allow MediaWiki's OpenID to become > a client to it. Since OWW currently is an OpenID server, this isn't > immediately an option. > > Keep in mind that there's no integration with WordPressMU either and we > still use it. > > I downloaded and installed the software here: > > http://www.openwetware.org/forum > > Take a look at it. > > If we can get by without integration initially, it would be a lot better > than what we're doing. Over time, we can add integration to the wiki. We can > immediately add Google Analytics to it and make sure it gets spidered by > Google for search. We can add more sophisticated integration later. > > This took 10-15 minutes to do: I'm not hijacking priorities to do this. > I've spent at least that long reading and replying to this thread: it's no > big deal. But if I need to spend more time on it, we'll have to schedule and > prioritize the work. > > Remember. This is JUST a suggestion. If you kill the messenger, please > tell my wife that I won't be home for dinner. > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Lorrie LeJeune > wrote: > > > I don't think it's too wild an idea. We use WordPress for blogging > > rather than the wiki because it's better suited for the task. Why not use a > > discussion list server for a discussion list? There must be some list server > > software out there that would give us the features we want and still > > integrate with OWW the way WordPress does. > > > > --L > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ricardo Vidal wrote: > > > > > If there is so much discussion really going on, I'd think it be best > > > to have a discussion board and not a blackhole email discussion mailinglist. > > > You know, so that previous questions/answers can be found. > > > > > > But obviously a discussion board is a whole new matter. So I apologize > > > going a bit off topic. > > > > > > ~R > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, julius.lucks > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Then let's forward the feedback list to duscuss so more people see > > > > these > > > > messages and can respond. > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Austin Che > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems > > > > > impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: > > > > > "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the algea > > > > that > > > > > you used in the bio reator." > > > > > It's impossible to determine who should even be on the feedback > > > > > list to answer this question. And I really don't think someone > > > > who > > > > > just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be on a > > > > list > > > > > that receives questions about every topic under the sun. > > > > However, > > > > > they probably are interested in questions related to algae > > > > > protocols so some way of directing those questions to them is > > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > >> Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically > > > > >> sitting > > > > >> on the feedback list? > > > > >> > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >> > > > > >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> The message on the page already says to leave a message on the > > > > >>> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a > > > > message > > > > >>> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk > > > > >>> page. The majority of messages that we have already received > > > > have > > > > >>> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > > > > >>> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will > > > > mean > > > > >>> we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful > > > > >>> feedback for labs won't give them at all. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> We should also put something in the message that if they want > > > > to > > > > >>>> leave > > > > >>>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join > > > > OWW > > > > >>>> and > > > > >>>> leave a message on a talk page. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> J > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" > > > > wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring > > > > >>>>>> page > > > > >>>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm > > > > >>>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send > > > > an > > > > >>>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I > > > > can > > > > >>>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages > > > > for > > > > >>>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into > > > > their > > > > >>>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their > > > > >>>>>> protocols, > > > > >>>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag > > > > and > > > > >>>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it > > > > sends > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > >>>>>> the generic oww feedback address. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the > > > > >>>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think > > > > the > > > > >>>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better > > > > explain > > > > >>>>> who > > > > >>>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ricardo Vidal > > > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > > > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080407/2ff97616/attachment.htm From jennytnguyen at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 15:01:18 2008 From: jennytnguyen at gmail.com (Jenny Nguyen) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:01:18 -0500 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <26428aaa0804071157q53e8367ev7d2e9fbd428bf086@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <87fxtxy61v.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <213fc43b0804071102v49049afbg65c103ec754ff874@mail.gmail.com> <2cbee05b0804071125m1576a030w8faff99b7502de84@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804071143u7d2efdc4s7cbc46e867fd71ad@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804071157q53e8367ev7d2e9fbd428bf086@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I like the forum. I would most likely use that if I were a new user because e-mailing a big list of people as a newbie intimidates me. Awesome job, Bill! :D Jenny On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Bill F wrote: > I'm not proposing to kill anything. Lists work. I'm just suggesting that > something like a forum is another option. One that I think may be useful. > > Not to take away anything from my efforts but I've not done much. LOL. > What matters is whether the community thinks it could work better than what > we currently do in a somewhat sequestered atmosphere. > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:48 PM, julius.lucks > wrote: > > > Hey Bill, > > How hard would it be to have both the discussion forum going, and the > > regular email-based discussion list? If we can have both, we can gradually > > do a migration over in which case I think what you have done is awesome. > > > > Julius > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Bill F wrote: > > > > 1. The page is changed. Anyone with Sysop permission can change it. The > > link is > > > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Contact > > > > 2. I've had experience with a number of discussion forum products. The > > simplest and most efficient is the lightweight "PunBB" forum. It's not as > > clumsy and garish as phpBB nor is it as well-supported with a large > > community as phpBB, simple machine forum, or Vanilla ( a product and not an > > OS project). But it's very solid and used by a lot of hosts. > > > > There's no MediaWiki integration with it at this point. The only > > mediawiki integration present with any forum is to allow MediaWiki's OpenID > > to become a client to it. Since OWW currently is an OpenID server, this > > isn't immediately an option. > > > > Keep in mind that there's no integration with WordPressMU either and we > > still use it. > > > > I downloaded and installed the software here: > > > > http://www.openwetware.org/forum > > > > Take a look at it. > > > > If we can get by without integration initially, it would be a lot better > > than what we're doing. Over time, we can add integration to the wiki. We can > > immediately add Google Analytics to it and make sure it gets spidered by > > Google for search. We can add more sophisticated integration later. > > > > This took 10-15 minutes to do: I'm not hijacking priorities to do this. > > I've spent at least that long reading and replying to this thread: it's no > > big deal. But if I need to spend more time on it, we'll have to schedule and > > prioritize the work. > > > > Remember. This is JUST a suggestion. If you kill the messenger, please > > tell my wife that I won't be home for dinner. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Lorrie LeJeune > > wrote: > > > > > I don't think it's too wild an idea. We use WordPress for blogging > > > rather than the wiki because it's better suited for the task. Why not use a > > > discussion list server for a discussion list? There must be some list server > > > software out there that would give us the features we want and still > > > integrate with OWW the way WordPress does. > > > > > > --L > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ricardo Vidal > > > wrote: > > > > > > > If there is so much discussion really going on, I'd think it be best > > > > to have a discussion board and not a blackhole email discussion mailinglist. > > > > You know, so that previous questions/answers can be found. > > > > > > > > But obviously a discussion board is a whole new matter. So I > > > > apologize going a bit off topic. > > > > > > > > ~R > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, julius.lucks > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Then let's forward the feedback list to duscuss so more people see > > > > > these > > > > > messages and can respond. > > > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Austin Che > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems > > > > > > impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: > > > > > > "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the algea > > > > > that > > > > > > you used in the bio reator." > > > > > > It's impossible to determine who should even be on the > > > > > feedback > > > > > > list to answer this question. And I really don't think > > > > > someone who > > > > > > just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be on a > > > > > list > > > > > > that receives questions about every topic under the sun. > > > > > However, > > > > > > they probably are interested in questions related to algae > > > > > > protocols so some way of directing those questions to them is > > > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > > > >> Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically > > > > > >> sitting > > > > > >> on the feedback list? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> The message on the page already says to leave a message on > > > > > the > > > > > >>> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a > > > > > message > > > > > >>> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a > > > > > talk > > > > > >>> page. The majority of messages that we have already received > > > > > have > > > > > >>> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > > > > > >>> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site > > > > > will mean > > > > > >>> we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful > > > > > >>> feedback for labs won't give them at all. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> We should also put something in the message that if they want > > > > > to > > > > > >>>> leave > > > > > >>>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join > > > > > OWW > > > > > >>>> and > > > > > >>>> leave a message on a talk page. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> J > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the > > > > > referring > > > > > >>>>>> page > > > > > >>>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if > > > > > I'm > > > > > >>>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send > > > > > an > > > > > >>>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation > > > > > I can > > > > > >>>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on > > > > > pages for > > > > > >>>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into > > > > > their > > > > > >>>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their > > > > > >>>>>> protocols, > > > > > >>>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a > > > > > tag and > > > > > >>>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it > > > > > sends > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > > >>>>>> the generic oww feedback address. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of > > > > > the > > > > > >>>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think > > > > > the > > > > > >>>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better > > > > > explain > > > > > >>>>> who > > > > > >>>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Austin Che > > > > > (617)253-5899 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ricardo Vidal > > > > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > > > > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080407/ee0e6ad1/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 15:23:46 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:23:46 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <213fc43b0804071102v49049afbg65c103ec754ff874@mail.gmail.com> <2cbee05b0804071125m1576a030w8faff99b7502de84@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804071143u7d2efdc4s7cbc46e867fd71ad@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804071157q53e8367ev7d2e9fbd428bf086@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804071223y7729d7efk3a9e00a881f83da0@mail.gmail.com> Hey Jenny... Moot the praise or you may get volunteered into making it look more OWW-esque! There's a site (http://www.jsand.net/spinkbb/?lang=en) that allows us to customize the skin, largely by choosing options and HTML color codes. We can at least make it resemble the current OWW MediaWiki skin. Adding an OWW logo at the top is a one line change to the template file. If anyone has any time to look into this, please let me know. B. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Jenny Nguyen wrote: > I like the forum. I would most likely use that if I were a new user > because e-mailing a big list of people as a newbie intimidates me. > Awesome job, Bill! :D > > Jenny > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Bill F wrote: > > > I'm not proposing to kill anything. Lists work. I'm just suggesting that > > something like a forum is another option. One that I think may be useful. > > > > Not to take away anything from my efforts but I've not done much. LOL. > > What matters is whether the community thinks it could work better than what > > we currently do in a somewhat sequestered atmosphere. > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:48 PM, julius.lucks > > wrote: > > > > > Hey Bill, > > > How hard would it be to have both the discussion forum going, and the > > > regular email-based discussion list? If we can have both, we can gradually > > > do a migration over in which case I think what you have done is awesome. > > > > > > Julius > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com > > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Bill F wrote: > > > > > > 1. The page is changed. Anyone with Sysop permission can change it. > > > The link is > > > > > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Contact > > > > > > 2. I've had experience with a number of discussion forum products. The > > > simplest and most efficient is the lightweight "PunBB" forum. It's not as > > > clumsy and garish as phpBB nor is it as well-supported with a large > > > community as phpBB, simple machine forum, or Vanilla ( a product and not an > > > OS project). But it's very solid and used by a lot of hosts. > > > > > > There's no MediaWiki integration with it at this point. The only > > > mediawiki integration present with any forum is to allow MediaWiki's OpenID > > > to become a client to it. Since OWW currently is an OpenID server, this > > > isn't immediately an option. > > > > > > Keep in mind that there's no integration with WordPressMU either and > > > we still use it. > > > > > > I downloaded and installed the software here: > > > > > > http://www.openwetware.org/forum > > > > > > Take a look at it. > > > > > > If we can get by without integration initially, it would be a lot > > > better than what we're doing. Over time, we can add integration to the wiki. > > > We can immediately add Google Analytics to it and make sure it gets spidered > > > by Google for search. We can add more sophisticated integration later. > > > > > > This took 10-15 minutes to do: I'm not hijacking priorities to do > > > this. I've spent at least that long reading and replying to this thread: > > > it's no big deal. But if I need to spend more time on it, we'll have to > > > schedule and prioritize the work. > > > > > > Remember. This is JUST a suggestion. If you kill the messenger, please > > > tell my wife that I won't be home for dinner. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Lorrie LeJeune > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I don't think it's too wild an idea. We use WordPress for blogging > > > > rather than the wiki because it's better suited for the task. Why not use a > > > > discussion list server for a discussion list? There must be some list server > > > > software out there that would give us the features we want and still > > > > integrate with OWW the way WordPress does. > > > > > > > > --L > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ricardo Vidal > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > If there is so much discussion really going on, I'd think it be > > > > > best to have a discussion board and not a blackhole email discussion > > > > > mailinglist. You know, so that previous questions/answers can be found. > > > > > > > > > > But obviously a discussion board is a whole new matter. So I > > > > > apologize going a bit off topic. > > > > > > > > > > ~R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, julius.lucks < > > > > > julius.lucks at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Then let's forward the feedback list to duscuss so more people > > > > > > see these > > > > > > messages and can respond. > > > > > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Austin Che > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems > > > > > > > impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: > > > > > > > "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the > > > > > > algea that > > > > > > > you used in the bio reator." > > > > > > > It's impossible to determine who should even be on the > > > > > > feedback > > > > > > > list to answer this question. And I really don't think > > > > > > someone who > > > > > > > just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be on > > > > > > a list > > > > > > > that receives questions about every topic under the sun. > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > they probably are interested in questions related to algae > > > > > > > protocols so some way of directing those questions to them > > > > > > is > > > > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc > > > > > > automatically > > > > > > >> sitting > > > > > > >> on the feedback list? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> The message on the page already says to leave a message on > > > > > > the > > > > > > >>> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a > > > > > > message > > > > > > >>> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a > > > > > > talk > > > > > > >>> page. The majority of messages that we have already > > > > > > received have > > > > > > >>> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > > > > > > >>> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site > > > > > > will mean > > > > > > >>> we will get no feedback and those who really do have > > > > > > useful > > > > > > >>> feedback for labs won't give them at all. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> We should also put something in the message that if they > > > > > > want to > > > > > > >>>> leave > > > > > > >>>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can > > > > > > join OWW > > > > > > >>>> and > > > > > > >>>> leave a message on a talk page. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> J > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the > > > > > > referring > > > > > > >>>>>> page > > > > > > >>>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > >>>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should > > > > > > send an > > > > > > >>>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest > > > > > > implementation I can > > > > > > >>>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on > > > > > > pages for > > > > > > >>>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it > > > > > > into their > > > > > > >>>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their > > > > > > >>>>>> protocols, > > > > > > >>>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a > > > > > > tag and > > > > > > >>>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, > > > > > > it sends > > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > > > >>>>>> the generic oww feedback address. > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of > > > > > > the > > > > > > >>>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I > > > > > > think the > > > > > > >>>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better > > > > > > explain > > > > > > >>>>> who > > > > > > >>>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Austin Che > > > > > > (617)253-5899 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ricardo Vidal > > > > > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > > > > > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080407/5678af36/attachment.htm From jennytnguyen at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 15:29:33 2008 From: jennytnguyen at gmail.com (Jenny Nguyen) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:29:33 -0500 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: <26428aaa0804071223y7729d7efk3a9e00a881f83da0@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <873apxy2uy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <213fc43b0804071102v49049afbg65c103ec754ff874@mail.gmail.com> <2cbee05b0804071125m1576a030w8faff99b7502de84@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804071143u7d2efdc4s7cbc46e867fd71ad@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804071157q53e8367ev7d2e9fbd428bf086@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804071223y7729d7efk3a9e00a881f83da0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I can look at it on Thursday. I have some exams and another design commitment before that. If anyone can look at it before then, that;ll be cool. Otherwise, Thursday it is. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Bill F wrote: > Hey Jenny... > > Moot the praise or you may get volunteered into making it look more > OWW-esque! > > There's a site (http://www.jsand.net/spinkbb/?lang=en) that allows us to > customize the skin, largely by choosing options and HTML color codes. We can > at least make it resemble the current OWW MediaWiki skin. > > Adding an OWW logo at the top is a one line change to the template file. > > If anyone has any time to look into this, please let me know. > > B. > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Jenny Nguyen > wrote: > > > I like the forum. I would most likely use that if I were a new user > > because e-mailing a big list of people as a newbie intimidates me. > > Awesome job, Bill! :D > > > > Jenny > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Bill F wrote: > > > > > I'm not proposing to kill anything. Lists work. I'm just suggesting > > > that something like a forum is another option. One that I think may be > > > useful. > > > > > > Not to take away anything from my efforts but I've not done much. LOL. > > > What matters is whether the community thinks it could work better than what > > > we currently do in a somewhat sequestered atmosphere. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:48 PM, julius.lucks > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Bill, > > > > How hard would it be to have both the discussion forum going, and > > > > the regular email-based discussion list? If we can have both, we can > > > > gradually do a migration over in which case I think what you have done is > > > > awesome. > > > > > > > > Julius > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com > > > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Bill F wrote: > > > > > > > > 1. The page is changed. Anyone with Sysop permission can change it. > > > > The link is > > > > > > > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Contact > > > > > > > > 2. I've had experience with a number of discussion forum products. > > > > The simplest and most efficient is the lightweight "PunBB" forum. It's not > > > > as clumsy and garish as phpBB nor is it as well-supported with a large > > > > community as phpBB, simple machine forum, or Vanilla ( a product and not an > > > > OS project). But it's very solid and used by a lot of hosts. > > > > > > > > There's no MediaWiki integration with it at this point. The only > > > > mediawiki integration present with any forum is to allow MediaWiki's OpenID > > > > to become a client to it. Since OWW currently is an OpenID server, this > > > > isn't immediately an option. > > > > > > > > Keep in mind that there's no integration with WordPressMU either and > > > > we still use it. > > > > > > > > I downloaded and installed the software here: > > > > > > > > http://www.openwetware.org/forum > > > > > > > > Take a look at it. > > > > > > > > If we can get by without integration initially, it would be a lot > > > > better than what we're doing. Over time, we can add integration to the wiki. > > > > We can immediately add Google Analytics to it and make sure it gets spidered > > > > by Google for search. We can add more sophisticated integration later. > > > > > > > > This took 10-15 minutes to do: I'm not hijacking priorities to do > > > > this. I've spent at least that long reading and replying to this thread: > > > > it's no big deal. But if I need to spend more time on it, we'll have to > > > > schedule and prioritize the work. > > > > > > > > Remember. This is JUST a suggestion. If you kill the messenger, > > > > please tell my wife that I won't be home for dinner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Lorrie LeJeune > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't think it's too wild an idea. We use WordPress for blogging > > > > > rather than the wiki because it's better suited for the task. Why not use a > > > > > discussion list server for a discussion list? There must be some list server > > > > > software out there that would give us the features we want and still > > > > > integrate with OWW the way WordPress does. > > > > > > > > > > --L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ricardo Vidal > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If there is so much discussion really going on, I'd think it be > > > > > > best to have a discussion board and not a blackhole email discussion > > > > > > mailinglist. You know, so that previous questions/answers can be found. > > > > > > > > > > > > But obviously a discussion board is a whole new matter. So I > > > > > > apologize going a bit off topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, julius.lucks < > > > > > > julius.lucks at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then let's forward the feedback list to duscuss so more people > > > > > > > see these > > > > > > > messages and can respond. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Austin Che > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems > > > > > > > > impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: > > > > > > > > "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the > > > > > > > algea that > > > > > > > > you used in the bio reator." > > > > > > > > It's impossible to determine who should even be on the > > > > > > > feedback > > > > > > > > list to answer this question. And I really don't think > > > > > > > someone who > > > > > > > > just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be > > > > > > > on a list > > > > > > > > that receives questions about every topic under the sun. > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > they probably are interested in questions related to > > > > > > > algae > > > > > > > > protocols so some way of directing those questions to > > > > > > > them is > > > > > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc > > > > > > > automatically > > > > > > > >> sitting > > > > > > > >> on the feedback list? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che < > > > > > > > austin at csail.mit.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> The message on the page already says to leave a message > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > >>> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a > > > > > > > message > > > > > > > >>> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a > > > > > > > talk > > > > > > > >>> page. The majority of messages that we have already > > > > > > > received have > > > > > > > >>> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > > > > > > > >>> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site > > > > > > > will mean > > > > > > > >>> we will get no feedback and those who really do have > > > > > > > useful > > > > > > > >>> feedback for labs won't give them at all. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>> We should also put something in the message that if they > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > >>>> leave > > > > > > > >>>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can > > > > > > > join OWW > > > > > > > >>>> and > > > > > > > >>>> leave a message on a talk page. > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> J > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" < > > > > > > > bcanton at mit.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the > > > > > > > referring > > > > > > > >>>>>> page > > > > > > > >>>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, > > > > > > > if I'm > > > > > > > >>>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should > > > > > > > send an > > > > > > > >>>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest > > > > > > > implementation I can > > > > > > > >>>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on > > > > > > > pages for > > > > > > > >>>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it > > > > > > > into their > > > > > > > >>>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their > > > > > > > >>>>>> protocols, > > > > > > > >>>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such > > > > > > > a tag and > > > > > > > >>>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, > > > > > > > it sends > > > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>> the generic oww feedback address. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > >>>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I > > > > > > > think the > > > > > > > >>>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > >>>>> who > > > > > > > >>>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Austin Che > > > > > > > (617)253-5899 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Ricardo Vidal > > > > > > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > > > > > > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080407/6ef5653e/attachment.htm From ilyas at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 7 16:20:29 2008 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:20:29 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Facebook chat Message-ID: <47FA820D.7070207@mit.edu> "The new instant messenger application will allow you to chat with your friends wherever you decide to go on Facebook; it will be nested at the bottom of your browser, ready to access at any time. Like the GTalk sidebar in GMail, you won?t need to install anything to get it working, and you can also ?pop-out? a chat window for any conversation you?re having, allowing you to do other things within Facebook in the browser window while carrying on your conversation unperturbed." http://mashable.com/2008/04/06/facebook-im-this-week/ http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_launches_chat.php Login to your Facebook account and see it for yourself. I think it would be a great feature to have on OWW. Ilya From yeem at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 7 16:45:25 2008 From: yeem at MIT.EDU (M. Yee) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Facebook chat In-Reply-To: <47FA820D.7070207@mit.edu> References: <47FA820D.7070207@mit.edu> Message-ID: If we do end up implementing something of this nature, I don't think it should be enabled by default. Opting in would avoid some of the complaints that Facebook is getting about these new applications just popping up out of nowhere, with no clear way to disable the feature. On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > "The new instant messenger application will allow you to chat with your friends wherever you decide to go on Facebook; it will be nested at the bottom of your browser, ready to access at any time. Like the GTalk sidebar in GMail, you won?t need to install anything to get it working, and you can also ?pop-out? a chat window for any conversation you?re having, allowing you to do other things within Facebook in the browser window while carrying on your conversation unperturbed." http://mashable.com/2008/04/06/facebook-im-this-week/ http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_launches_chat.php Login to your Facebook account and see it for yourself. I think it would be a great feature to have on OWW. Ilya _______________________________________________ OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List discuss at openwetware.org http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From rvidal at openwetware.org Tue Apr 8 00:04:10 2008 From: rvidal at openwetware.org (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 00:04:10 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] App Engine - Google's histed platform Message-ID: <213fc43b0804072104h40ec80c8v76dd3e93fca35b60@mail.gmail.com> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/04/app-engine-host-your-python-apps-with-google.html Google opens up it's new hosted platform, App Engine. Looks quite promising. Might be of interest to anyone working with python :) Best, Ricardo -- Ricardo Vidal http://my.biotechlife.net - My Biotech Life http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There also may be a plugin to synchronize the forum with an email listserv, as I think Julius was getting at. Mac On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Bill F wrote: > 1. The page is changed. Anyone with Sysop permission can change it. The > link is > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Contact > > 2. I've had experience with a number of discussion forum products. The > simplest and most efficient is the lightweight "PunBB" forum. It's not as > clumsy and garish as phpBB nor is it as well-supported with a large > community as phpBB, simple machine forum, or Vanilla ( a product and not an > OS project). But it's very solid and used by a lot of hosts. > > There's no MediaWiki integration with it at this point. The only mediawiki > integration present with any forum is to allow MediaWiki's OpenID to become > a client to it. Since OWW currently is an OpenID server, this isn't > immediately an option. > > Keep in mind that there's no integration with WordPressMU either and we > still use it. > > I downloaded and installed the software here: > > http://www.openwetware.org/forum > > Take a look at it. > > If we can get by without integration initially, it would be a lot better > than what we're doing. Over time, we can add integration to the wiki. We can > immediately add Google Analytics to it and make sure it gets spidered by > Google for search. We can add more sophisticated integration later. > > This took 10-15 minutes to do: I'm not hijacking priorities to do this. > I've spent at least that long reading and replying to this thread: it's no > big deal. But if I need to spend more time on it, we'll have to schedule and > prioritize the work. > > Remember. This is JUST a suggestion. If you kill the messenger, please > tell my wife that I won't be home for dinner. > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Lorrie LeJeune > wrote: > > > I don't think it's too wild an idea. We use WordPress for blogging > > rather than the wiki because it's better suited for the task. Why not use a > > discussion list server for a discussion list? There must be some list server > > software out there that would give us the features we want and still > > integrate with OWW the way WordPress does. > > > > --L > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ricardo Vidal wrote: > > > > > If there is so much discussion really going on, I'd think it be best > > > to have a discussion board and not a blackhole email discussion mailinglist. > > > You know, so that previous questions/answers can be found. > > > > > > But obviously a discussion board is a whole new matter. So I apologize > > > going a bit off topic. > > > > > > ~R > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, julius.lucks > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Then let's forward the feedback list to duscuss so more people see > > > > these > > > > messages and can respond. > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Austin Che > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting all contacts to be on the feedback list seems > > > > > impractical. For example, recently on the feedback list: > > > > > "Hi I was wondering were you purchased or harvested the algea > > > > that > > > > > you used in the bio reator." > > > > > It's impossible to determine who should even be on the feedback > > > > > list to answer this question. And I really don't think someone > > > > who > > > > > just wants to put up a protocol about algae wants to be on a > > > > list > > > > > that receives questions about every topic under the sun. > > > > However, > > > > > they probably are interested in questions related to algae > > > > > protocols so some way of directing those questions to them is > > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > >> Can we get lab contacts and protocol writers etc automatically > > > > >> sitting > > > > >> on the feedback list? > > > > >> > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >> > > > > >> On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Austin Che > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> The message on the page already says to leave a message on the > > > > >>> talk page. It is a much lower barrier to entry to type a > > > > message > > > > >>> into a text box than getting an account and posting on a talk > > > > >>> page. The majority of messages that we have already received > > > > have > > > > >>> been for specific people/protocols. My feeling is that > > > > >>> restricting the comments to only feedback about the site will > > > > mean > > > > >>> we will get no feedback and those who really do have useful > > > > >>> feedback for labs won't give them at all. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> We should also put something in the message that if they want > > > > to > > > > >>>> leave > > > > >>>> a message for a particular person or lab, then they can join > > > > OWW > > > > >>>> and > > > > >>>> leave a message on a talk page. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> J > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:47 AM, "Barry Canton" > > > > wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>> It'd be nice if the contact page could look at the referring > > > > >>>>>> page > > > > >>>>>> and based on that, "do the right thing." For example, if I'm > > > > >>>>>> looking at the Endy lab page, the contact form should send > > > > an > > > > >>>>>> email to the endy lab contact. The simplest implementation I > > > > can > > > > >>>>>> think of is to have a special tag people could put on pages > > > > for > > > > >>>>>> example, {{contact:myemail at blah}}. Labs would put it into > > > > their > > > > >>>>>> lab template, protocol writers would put it into their > > > > >>>>>> protocols, > > > > >>>>>> etc. The contact page extension would try to find such a tag > > > > and > > > > >>>>>> if it exists, send the comment email there. Otherwise, it > > > > sends > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > >>>>>> the generic oww feedback address. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Personally, I think it makes more sense if the behavior of the > > > > >>>>> "Contact OWW" button is consistent across the wiki. I think > > > > the > > > > >>>>> proposal to make the text on the contact us page better > > > > explain > > > > >>>>> who > > > > >>>>> the feedback is sent to will be sufficient. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ricardo Vidal > > > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > > > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080408/a18427f3/attachment.htm From kanzure at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 01:27:33 2008 From: kanzure at gmail.com (Bryan Bishop) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 00:27:33 -0500 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Problems with OWW? In-Reply-To: <26428aaa0803272328s2657d810ldb28a5b1744fe0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <003c01c8907f$b7b13730$2713a590$@edu> <26428aaa0803272328s2657d810ldb28a5b1744fe0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200804080027.33902.kanzure@gmail.com> On Friday 28 March 2008, Bill F wrote: > We were hammered today by a system spidering the OWW server out of > control. We worked with Rackspace into the evening to make sure that > the server got out from under the barrage. We ran well over twice our > daily bandwidth and database activity. This started last evening. The > system was periodically throwing database error as it started. The > php errors were caused when we added a new extension. I ran a spider a few months ago on OWW and did no where near this much damage. What's the deal? - Bryan ________________________________________ http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap From kanzure at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 01:30:35 2008 From: kanzure at gmail.com (Bryan Bishop) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 00:30:35 -0500 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] "Contact Us" mods In-Reply-To: References: <26428aaa0804070814t5605f292q473b669555389a19@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804071143u7d2efdc4s7cbc46e867fd71ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200804080030.35419.kanzure@gmail.com> On Monday 07 April 2008, julius.lucks wrote: > How hard would it be to have both the discussion forum going, and the > ? regular email-based discussion list? ?If we can have both, we can > gradually do a migration over in which case I think what you have > done is awesome. mail2forum does this quite well. It's a module that transfers mailing list messages from a forum and vice versa. - Bryan ________________________________________ http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap From bill.altmail at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 07:05:35 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 07:05:35 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Problems with OWW? In-Reply-To: <200804080027.33902.kanzure@gmail.com> References: <003c01c8907f$b7b13730$2713a590$@edu> <26428aaa0803272328s2657d810ldb28a5b1744fe0c@mail.gmail.com> <200804080027.33902.kanzure@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804080405x258ce958t28d80b20b0879ee6@mail.gmail.com> Bryan, As you know, we package up all of our content every night for anyone who wants it; we have no problem sharing. If you want to spider and do it as a well-bahaved app, it's something we can live with. Google and Yahhoo do it a few times per day as an example. What was a problem was the spider from hell a few weeks back that killed performance for a da as it repeatedly ground through OWW, killing performance. I mean killing. The CPU and network utilization was spiked. We could barely log into the server via SSH. We first knocked off the server via the robots.txt file; it failed to read the file and throtle its activity. We then banned the server via the apache config file. When both of these methods failed, we added it to the ipfirewall's ban list and it stopped the activity imediately. The histogram for the month tells it all. We ate well over 100% of the server's normal load for day. On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Bryan Bishop wrote: > On Friday 28 March 2008, Bill F wrote: > > We were hammered today by a system spidering the OWW server out of > > control. We worked with Rackspace into the evening to make sure that > > the server got out from under the barrage. We ran well over twice our > > daily bandwidth and database activity. This started last evening. The > > system was periodically throwing database error as it started. The > > php errors were caused when we added a new extension. > > I ran a spider a few months ago on OWW and did no where near this much > damage. What's the deal? > > - Bryan > ________________________________________ > http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Roadmap > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080408/cbd10edf/attachment.htm From dan.bolser at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 13:05:52 2008 From: dan.bolser at gmail.com (Dan Bolser) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:05:52 +0200 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Announcing PDBWiki Message-ID: <2c8757af0804081005m34c4c3abg2876c10dac982509@mail.gmail.com> Dear OWW, Following the recent discussions about the proposal to 'wikify' GenBank, I would like to ask for feedback on our 'PDBWiki' project. PDBWiki is basically an open experiment towards a wiki-style system based on the Protein Data Bank (PDB). There is one page per PDB entry where users can add annotations but editing the source data is currently not allowed. The idea is to have a very simple but functional system that can serve as a bugtracker, discussion forum and community annotation platform for PDB structures. See: http://pdbwiki.org We are updating the site with the PDB every week. One of the ideas that we are developing is to implement 'error codes' using the MediaWiki category system. This mechanism would provide a way of tracking annotations, and potentially feeding back user contributed data into the PDB. You can see an example of a putative error category here: http://pdbwiki.org/index.php/Category:PDB_format_inconsistency In order to avoid spam, you may have to solve a captcha before editing pages. If you log in, however, you can edit freely without seeing the captcha. Dan. From austin at csail.mit.edu Tue Apr 8 17:26:25 2008 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:26:25 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Announcing PDBWiki In-Reply-To: <2c8757af0804081005m34c4c3abg2876c10dac982509@mail.gmail.com> (Dan Bolser's message of "Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:05:52 +0200") References: <2c8757af0804081005m34c4c3abg2876c10dac982509@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87od8kt4vy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> "Dan Bolser" wrote: > Dear OWW, > > Following the recent discussions about the proposal to 'wikify' > GenBank, I would like to ask for feedback on our 'PDBWiki' project. > > PDBWiki is basically an open experiment towards a wiki-style system > based on the Protein Data Bank (PDB). There is one page per PDB entry > where users can add annotations but editing the source data is > currently not allowed. pdbwiki sounds great! I also just saw this: http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information Should OWW/pdbwiki sign on to the letter? -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From dan.bolser at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 04:39:43 2008 From: dan.bolser at gmail.com (Dan Bolser) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:39:43 +0200 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Announcing PDBWiki In-Reply-To: <2c8757af0804090137r59d817bkb4e1881fe0705b81@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c8757af0804081005m34c4c3abg2876c10dac982509@mail.gmail.com> <87od8kt4vy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <2c8757af0804090137r59d817bkb4e1881fe0705b81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c8757af0804090139n7106a548se5781f25bcd82c7f@mail.gmail.com> On 08/04/2008, Austin Che wrote: > "Dan Bolser" wrote: > > > Dear OWW, > > > > Following the recent discussions about the proposal to 'wikify' > > GenBank, I would like to ask for feedback on our 'PDBWiki' project. > > > > PDBWiki is basically an open experiment towards a wiki-style system > > based on the Protein Data Bank (PDB). There is one page per PDB entry > > where users can add annotations but editing the source data is > > currently not allowed. > > > pdbwiki sounds great! > > I also just saw this: > http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information > Should OWW/pdbwiki sign on to the letter? The letter is interesting, and makes some very good points. I think it would be a shame for OWW not to get on board with this kind of 'awareness' exercise. Currently there are a lot of opinions, expectations and prejudices surrounding the whole idea of 'community annotation'. The more scientists who have hands on experience with wiki (for example), the better we will be able to move towards improved database systems in biology and bioinformatics. For us the idea was to start small and to keep things practical. PDBWiki simply provides a system whereby free-text community annotation can be applied to each database entry. It will be interesting to see how this approach pans out. Dan. -- BiO.CC From Torsten.Waldminghaus at rr-research.no Wed Apr 9 11:54:49 2008 From: Torsten.Waldminghaus at rr-research.no (Torsten Waldminghaus) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:54:49 +0200 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Blog Message-ID: Hey all, I wanted to start a little blog and experienced some difficulties I want to share. I guess I'm a good test person since it's my first time blogging and I actually learned what a blog is only some weeks ago. So I understood that there is no or only a well hidden "blog-help-page", right? That is probably cause it's still the testing phase of blogs on OWW? Anyway on the top of the OWW blog page it says "If you'd like to start blogging with us, please email admin at openwetware.org .". I thought this is what I wanted to do and sent an mail. The answer I got was: Thanks for your email! This list does not accept email from non-members to reduce spam. You can sign up for the list by using this link: http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-admin If you are already a list member, you may be sending from a different email address than the one that is registered with the server - e.g.your institution vs. your gmail address. Please add your new address by clicking the link above, or resend from the email address that you've registered previously. This supprised me since I am member of OWW with the e-mail address I used. I followed the link and was invited to some mailing-list. Since I did just want to blog I do not understand what this list should be for. So I tried another way to start a blog by getting to the blog site "Share Your Science " where the Hello World text suggests that I should enter a post or delete and other stuff. So I tried to log in but I could not use my OWW username and password. Than I was at the end with my ideas, crying and thinking if this might be a sign that nobody actually wants a blog by somebody like me. Than I remembered that I could ask the OWW-discussion folks and give some feedback. That's it. Torsten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080409/33b4282b/attachment.htm From johncumbers at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 16:48:38 2008 From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:48:38 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] OWW teleconference tomorrow, Thursday, April 10, at 12noon EST, "How best to steer the OWW ship? the role of the steering committee in times of change" - new callers most welcome... Message-ID: Dear all, Please call USA (+1) 617-324-7294 at noon EST tomorrow Thu, to take part in what could be the most exciting teleconference of your life: "How best to steer the OWW ship? the role of the steering committee in times of change" This is [my] chosen title for the teleconference tomorrow. As OpenWetWare goes through times of change in terms of Bill and Lorrie coming in and key founders moving on, what should the role of the steering committee be? What is the mission of OWW (see below for a reminder) and how best could they be achieved? How do we welcome new users and keep existing ones excited and interested in participating. How to we manage our distributed time effectively so that we can best execute our mission? The conference number is USA (+1) 617-324-7294. We'll also have a simultaneous chat session at http://openwetware.org/chat/. You're welcome to do either/or, but it's much better if you can both talk and chat at the same time. If you're new and feel intimidated by the teleconference then do not be, it's fine just to say hello, introduce yourself and your interest in OWW and then just listen until you feel comfortable. Cheers, John * OWW Mission * http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Mission *The goals of OWW are to support open sharing of research, education, publication, and discussion in biological sciences and engineering. We promote and support collaborations among researchers, students, and others who are working towards these goals. We believe that open sharing of research improves the quality and pace of scientific and engineering research.* We are taking three approaches to achieve our mission - [edit ] 1. Lower the technical barriers to sharing and dissemination of knowledge in biological research Scientific and engineering research have strong traditions of publishing research. However, the pace of publishing research (often 6-12 months) has lagged the pace of research. Moreover, much of the information generated in the course of research fails to get captured in research articles (the traditional mechanism for sharing research). Thus, we advocate new, faster timescale publishing mediums like OpenWetWare that can capture biological knowledge as it is generated to complement the existing scientific publishing mechanisms. We are always seeking new tools and technologies that make this open sharing of research easier. [edit ] 2. Build a community of researchers in biology and biological engineering that values, practices, and innovates the open sharing of information Peer review is a fundamental part of biological research. We use it to assess papers for publication, talks to be presented at conferences, grant proposals for funding and job hiring and promotion. Thus, an important part of our mission to promote the open sharing of research is building a community that recognizes and values that sharing. [edit ] 3. Integrate OpenWetWare into existing and future reward structures in research Ultimately, for the open sharing and digitization of research to be standard practice in scientific research, it will need to be integrated into existing reward structures in science. Researchers need to "receive credit" when they make their protocols, datasets, model files etc. freely available to others. We consider this to be a critical but long-term goal of OpenWetWare. -- John Cumbers, Graduate Student Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080409/e67b9dd6/attachment.htm From johncumbers at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 20:46:00 2008 From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:46:00 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Announcing PDBWiki In-Reply-To: <2c8757af0804090139n7106a548se5781f25bcd82c7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c8757af0804081005m34c4c3abg2876c10dac982509@mail.gmail.com> <87od8kt4vy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <2c8757af0804090137r59d817bkb4e1881fe0705b81@mail.gmail.com> <2c8757af0804090139n7106a548se5781f25bcd82c7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Dan, This sounds like something we should be supporting, Lorrie, please could you pen a letter of support? this could either be from you as Managing Director of OWW, or from the SC, cheers, John On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Dan Bolser wrote: > On 08/04/2008, Austin Che wrote: > > "Dan Bolser" wrote: > > > > > Dear OWW, > > > > > > Following the recent discussions about the proposal to 'wikify' > > > GenBank, I would like to ask for feedback on our 'PDBWiki' project. > > > > > > PDBWiki is basically an open experiment towards a wiki-style system > > > based on the Protein Data Bank (PDB). There is one page per PDB > entry > > > where users can add annotations but editing the source data is > > > currently not allowed. > > > > > > pdbwiki sounds great! > > > > I also just saw this: > > > http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information > > Should OWW/pdbwiki sign on to the letter? > > > The letter is interesting, and makes some very good points. I think it > would be a shame for OWW not to get on board with this kind of > 'awareness' exercise. Currently there are a lot of opinions, > expectations and prejudices surrounding the whole idea of 'community > annotation'. The more scientists who have hands on experience with > wiki (for example), the better we will be able to move towards > improved database systems in biology and bioinformatics. > > For us the idea was to start small and to keep things practical. > PDBWiki simply provides a system whereby free-text community > annotation can be applied to each database entry. It will be > interesting to see how this approach pans out. > > > Dan. > > > > -- > BiO.CC > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -- John Cumbers, Graduate Student Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080409/484c4744/attachment.htm From jasonk at MIT.EDU Wed Apr 9 21:10:58 2008 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:10:58 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Announcing PDBWiki In-Reply-To: References: <2c8757af0804081005m34c4c3abg2876c10dac982509@mail.gmail.com> <87od8kt4vy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <2c8757af0804090137r59d817bkb4e1881fe0705b81@mail.gmail.com> <2c8757af0804090139n7106a548se5781f25bcd82c7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c085c480804091810r6f23f9adne43a357880d3ec1@mail.gmail.com> Noticed that they've already got a letter up here: http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information Maybe we could bring it up at the SC meeting and if people are OK with it, the SC could sign off on the letter above (they are submitting it on friday). I personally think that it has more weight if it's signed by a volunteer group of scientists that collaborate and share on a wiki, rather than from folks running a wiki ;) thanks, jason On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, John Cumbers wrote: > Hi Dan, > This sounds like something we should be supporting, Lorrie, please could > you pen a letter of support? this could either be from you as Managing > Director of OWW, or from the SC, > cheers, > John > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Dan Bolser wrote: > > > > On 08/04/2008, Austin Che wrote: > > > "Dan Bolser" wrote: > > > > > > > Dear OWW, > > > > > > > > Following the recent discussions about the proposal to 'wikify' > > > > GenBank, I would like to ask for feedback on our 'PDBWiki' project. > > > > > > > > PDBWiki is basically an open experiment towards a wiki-style system > > > > based on the Protein Data Bank (PDB). There is one page per PDB > entry > > > > where users can add annotations but editing the source data is > > > > currently not allowed. > > > > > > > > > pdbwiki sounds great! > > > > > > I also just saw this: > > > > http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information > > > Should OWW/pdbwiki sign on to the letter? > > > > > > The letter is interesting, and makes some very good points. I think it > > would be a shame for OWW not to get on board with this kind of > > 'awareness' exercise. Currently there are a lot of opinions, > > expectations and prejudices surrounding the whole idea of 'community > > annotation'. The more scientists who have hands on experience with > > wiki (for example), the better we will be able to move towards > > improved database systems in biology and bioinformatics. > > > > For us the idea was to start small and to keep things practical. > > PDBWiki simply provides a system whereby free-text community > > annotation can be applied to each database entry. It will be > > interesting to see how this approach pans out. > > > > > > Dan. > > > > > > > > -- > > BiO.CC > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > -- > > John Cumbers, Graduate Student > Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry > Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W > Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA > Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 > > Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room > 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > From lorrielejeune at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 21:17:29 2008 From: lorrielejeune at gmail.com (Lorrie LeJeune) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:17:29 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Announcing PDBWiki In-Reply-To: <7c085c480804091810r6f23f9adne43a357880d3ec1@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c8757af0804081005m34c4c3abg2876c10dac982509@mail.gmail.com> <87od8kt4vy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <2c8757af0804090137r59d817bkb4e1881fe0705b81@mail.gmail.com> <2c8757af0804090139n7106a548se5781f25bcd82c7f@mail.gmail.com> <7c085c480804091810r6f23f9adne43a357880d3ec1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ac0a26a0804091817u6213d777g85a1722f349cbc9@mail.gmail.com> I agree with Jason. It makes more sense to add the OWW SC to the existing list of supporters on the letter than to draft a new one. --Lorrie On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > Noticed that they've already got a letter up here: > > http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information > > Maybe we could bring it up at the SC meeting and if people are OK with > it, the SC could sign off on the letter above (they are submitting it > on friday). I personally think that it has more weight if it's signed > by a volunteer group of scientists that collaborate and share on a > wiki, rather than from folks running a wiki ;) > > thanks, > jason > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, John Cumbers > wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > This sounds like something we should be supporting, Lorrie, please > could > > you pen a letter of support? this could either be from you as Managing > > Director of OWW, or from the SC, > > cheers, > > John > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Dan Bolser > wrote: > > > > > > On 08/04/2008, Austin Che wrote: > > > > "Dan Bolser" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear OWW, > > > > > > > > > > Following the recent discussions about the proposal to 'wikify' > > > > > GenBank, I would like to ask for feedback on our 'PDBWiki' > project. > > > > > > > > > > PDBWiki is basically an open experiment towards a wiki-style > system > > > > > based on the Protein Data Bank (PDB). There is one page per PDB > > entry > > > > > where users can add annotations but editing the source data is > > > > > currently not allowed. > > > > > > > > > > > > pdbwiki sounds great! > > > > > > > > I also just saw this: > > > > > > > http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information > > > > Should OWW/pdbwiki sign on to the letter? > > > > > > > > > The letter is interesting, and makes some very good points. I think it > > > would be a shame for OWW not to get on board with this kind of > > > 'awareness' exercise. Currently there are a lot of opinions, > > > expectations and prejudices surrounding the whole idea of 'community > > > annotation'. The more scientists who have hands on experience with > > > wiki (for example), the better we will be able to move towards > > > improved database systems in biology and bioinformatics. > > > > > > For us the idea was to start small and to keep things practical. > > > PDBWiki simply provides a system whereby free-text community > > > annotation can be applied to each database entry. It will be > > > interesting to see how this approach pans out. > > > > > > > > > Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > BiO.CC > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > John Cumbers, Graduate Student > > Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry > > Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W > > Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA > > Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 > 7824 > > > > Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room > > 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080409/3e185167/attachment.htm From sjkoch at unm.edu Thu Apr 10 00:30:13 2008 From: sjkoch at unm.edu (Steven J. Koch) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:30:13 -0600 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Clarification of Help:Notebook Message-ID: <000301c89ac3$91f9b320$b5ed1960$@edu> Hi All, I just noticed the Lab Notebooks advertisement on the main page. It looks great! Very inviting, I think. I do have a few comments, which are coming from the perspective of someone who hasn't been following the development in the past few months. Basically, when I read the help page, there are a lot of nice looking things, but I don't know what to do. I can contrast this to when I first set up a lab page, which I was able to do easily by following the step-by-step instructions. I know a lot more about wikis now, but am not clear when reading the Help:Notebook page. Here're some points which may not be obvious to those who already know what's going on: 1. It would be good to link to example notebook pages right at the top of the help page. It's not until the bottom of the page that screenshots are shown, but even then the links are to images. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but where do I see a working example? a. Along the same lines, if there are other related pages can these be linked at the top of the help page? 2. The steps are not obvious. Without actually trying it yet, it seems like the steps are 1, 2, 3 (listed vertically: notebook, project, entry) and for each of these steps, we should do 1, 2, 3 (listed horizontally: template, create, paste) . I think it would be better to have the steps listed out, similar to http://openwetware.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_lab_wiki 3. Are there supposed to be some templates on the "notebook page"? I don't see it listed on the help page. 4. When I click on the "my lab notebook" link at the top right of the page, it goes to "Notebook:Steven J. Koch" whereas it seems like we're supposed to put it in User: namespace? Does any of that make sense? --Steve www.openwetware.org/wiki/Koch_Lab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080409/5a1b2879/attachment.htm From rvidal at openwetware.org Thu Apr 10 00:45:01 2008 From: rvidal at openwetware.org (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:45:01 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Clarification of Help:Notebook In-Reply-To: <000301c89ac3$91f9b320$b5ed1960$@edu> References: <000301c89ac3$91f9b320$b5ed1960$@edu> Message-ID: <213fc43b0804092145k2895b1d2n2ee3f1dbdbae3fc6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Steven, Thanks for the great feedback. It's direct questions like these that we enjoy receiving so that we can make the content as explicit and easy to follow as possible. - We are in the midst of actually getting something ready that will make the whole 1,2,3 process automated with a simple click. But until then, I agree with your point of view about the step-wise issue and I'll make some changes to the Help page. - The templates are linked at the top (template for iGEM and standard notebook pages). Both the project level and the entry level. - As for the "my lab notebook" link in the top right corner, we are changing from that system where notebooks were always set in the "Notebook:" to a free form system where you can place your notebook wherever you want. Keep in mind that we recommend certain structure to the pages to keep things orderly and future-proof for new features that are in the works. So, that link in the corner is now only there for those users that ever activated the option in their preferences and will soon be made to point to wherever you set up your notebook, either in the user, lab or igem space. Thank you for your feedback. It's much appreciated. Kind regards, Ricardo On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Steven J. Koch wrote: > Hi All, > > I just noticed the Lab Notebooks advertisement on the main page. It looks > great! Very inviting, I think. > > I do have a few comments, which are coming from the perspective of someone > who hasn't been following the development in the past few months. > Basically, when I read the help page, there are a lot of nice looking > things, but I don't know what to do. I can contrast this to when I first > set up a lab page, which I was able to do easily by following the > step-by-step instructions. I know a lot more about wikis now, but am not > clear when reading the Help:Notebook page. Here're some points which may > not be obvious to those who already know what's going on: > > 1. It would be good to link to example notebook pages right at the > top of the help page. It's not until the bottom of the page that > screenshots are shown, but even then the links are to images. Maybe I'm > missing something obvious, but where do I see a working example? > > a. Along the same lines, if there are other related pages can these > be linked at the top of the help page? > > 2. The steps are not obvious. Without actually trying it yet, it > seems like the steps are 1, 2, 3 (listed vertically: notebook, project, > entry) and for each of these steps, we should do 1, 2, 3 (listed > horizontally: template, create, paste) . I think it would be better to > have the steps listed out, similar to * > http://openwetware.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_lab_wiki* > > 3. Are there supposed to be some templates on the "notebook page"? I > don't see it listed on the help page. > > 4. When I click on the "my lab notebook" link at the top right of the > page, it goes to "Notebook:Steven J. Koch" whereas it seems like we're > supposed to put it in User: namespace? > > Does any of that make sense? > > --Steve > > *****www.openwetware.org/wiki/Koch_Lab* > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > -- Ricardo Vidal rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080410/4b2d54e5/attachment.htm From johncumbers at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 11:47:52 2008 From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:47:52 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Announcing PDBWiki In-Reply-To: <6ac0a26a0804091817u6213d777g85a1722f349cbc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c8757af0804081005m34c4c3abg2876c10dac982509@mail.gmail.com> <87od8kt4vy.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> <2c8757af0804090137r59d817bkb4e1881fe0705b81@mail.gmail.com> <2c8757af0804090139n7106a548se5781f25bcd82c7f@mail.gmail.com> <7c085c480804091810r6f23f9adne43a357880d3ec1@mail.gmail.com> <6ac0a26a0804091817u6213d777g85a1722f349cbc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: sounds good to me, John On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Lorrie LeJeune wrote: > I agree with Jason. It makes more sense to add the OWW SC to the existing > list of supporters on the letter than to draft a new one. > --Lorrie > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > > > Noticed that they've already got a letter up here: > > > > http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information > > > > Maybe we could bring it up at the SC meeting and if people are OK with > > it, the SC could sign off on the letter above (they are submitting it > > on friday). I personally think that it has more weight if it's signed > > by a volunteer group of scientists that collaborate and share on a > > wiki, rather than from folks running a wiki ;) > > > > thanks, > > jason > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, John Cumbers > > wrote: > > > Hi Dan, > > > This sounds like something we should be supporting, Lorrie, please > > could > > > you pen a letter of support? this could either be from you as > > Managing > > > Director of OWW, or from the SC, > > > cheers, > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Dan Bolser > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 08/04/2008, Austin Che wrote: > > > > > "Dan Bolser" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear OWW, > > > > > > > > > > > > Following the recent discussions about the proposal to > > 'wikify' > > > > > > GenBank, I would like to ask for feedback on our 'PDBWiki' > > project. > > > > > > > > > > > > PDBWiki is basically an open experiment towards a wiki-style > > system > > > > > > based on the Protein Data Bank (PDB). There is one page per > > PDB > > > entry > > > > > > where users can add annotations but editing the source data is > > > > > > currently not allowed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pdbwiki sounds great! > > > > > > > > > > I also just saw this: > > > > > > > > > > http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information > > > > > Should OWW/pdbwiki sign on to the letter? > > > > > > > > > > > > The letter is interesting, and makes some very good points. I think > > it > > > > would be a shame for OWW not to get on board with this kind of > > > > 'awareness' exercise. Currently there are a lot of opinions, > > > > expectations and prejudices surrounding the whole idea of > > 'community > > > > annotation'. The more scientists who have hands on experience with > > > > wiki (for example), the better we will be able to move towards > > > > improved database systems in biology and bioinformatics. > > > > > > > > For us the idea was to start small and to keep things practical. > > > > PDBWiki simply provides a system whereby free-text community > > > > annotation can be applied to each database entry. It will be > > > > interesting to see how this approach pans out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > BiO.CC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > John Cumbers, Graduate Student > > > Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry > > > Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W > > > Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA > > > Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 > > 7824 > > > > > > Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room > > > 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- John Cumbers, Graduate Student Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please call USA (+1) 617-324-7294, chat > at http://openwetware.org/chat/ my username is John_Cumbers for > example... > cheers, > John > > -- > John Cumbers, Graduate Student > Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry > Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W > Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA > Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 > > Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room > 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 > -- John Cumbers, Graduate Student Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If not, I'll add OWW to the list. --Lorrie On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:47 AM, John Cumbers wrote: > sounds good to me, > John > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Lorrie LeJeune > wrote: > > > I agree with Jason. It makes more sense to add the OWW SC to the > > existing list of supporters on the letter than to draft a new one. > > --Lorrie > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > > > > > Noticed that they've already got a letter up here: > > > > > > http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information > > > > > > Maybe we could bring it up at the SC meeting and if people are OK with > > > it, the SC could sign off on the letter above (they are submitting it > > > on friday). I personally think that it has more weight if it's signed > > > by a volunteer group of scientists that collaborate and share on a > > > wiki, rather than from folks running a wiki ;) > > > > > > thanks, > > > jason > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, John Cumbers > > > wrote: > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > This sounds like something we should be supporting, Lorrie, please > > > could > > > > you pen a letter of support? this could either be from you as > > > Managing > > > > Director of OWW, or from the SC, > > > > cheers, > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Dan Bolser > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 08/04/2008, Austin Che wrote: > > > > > > "Dan Bolser" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear OWW, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Following the recent discussions about the proposal to > > > 'wikify' > > > > > > > GenBank, I would like to ask for feedback on our 'PDBWiki' > > > project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PDBWiki is basically an open experiment towards a wiki-style > > > system > > > > > > > based on the Protein Data Bank (PDB). There is one page per > > > PDB > > > > entry > > > > > > > where users can add annotations but editing the source data > > > is > > > > > > > currently not allowed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pdbwiki sounds great! > > > > > > > > > > > > I also just saw this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ecoliwiki.net/colipedia/index.php/Draft_letter_to_Science_about_wikifying_genome_information > > > > > > Should OWW/pdbwiki sign on to the letter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The letter is interesting, and makes some very good points. I > > > think it > > > > > would be a shame for OWW not to get on board with this kind of > > > > > 'awareness' exercise. Currently there are a lot of opinions, > > > > > expectations and prejudices surrounding the whole idea of > > > 'community > > > > > annotation'. The more scientists who have hands on experience > > > with > > > > > wiki (for example), the better we will be able to move towards > > > > > improved database systems in biology and bioinformatics. > > > > > > > > > > For us the idea was to start small and to keep things practical. > > > > > PDBWiki simply provides a system whereby free-text community > > > > > annotation can be applied to each database entry. It will be > > > > > interesting to see how this approach pans out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > BiO.CC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > John Cumbers, Graduate Student > > > > Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry > > > > Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W > > > > Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA > > > > Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 > > > 7824 > > > > > > > > Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room > > > > 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > John Cumbers, Graduate Student > Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry > Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W > Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA > Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 > > Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room > 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We'll have 2 weeks to move the server over to a new RedHat Enterprise Linux 5 box. The migrations will take place over the next weekend following our getting access to the server. I wish MediaWiki was a bit more tolerant of misfiring extensions but that's life. Again, sorry for the inconvenience. Have a good weekend! Bill Flanagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My pics > are on a table just like the one Ricardo used for his version. I > chose to go with different colors for Open and WetWare to model the > banner on the main page, and cause multicolors are hot (everyone's > doing it now-a-days)! I look forward to your feedback. > > ~Ant > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080413/01b5a4b9/attachment.htm From rvidal at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 01:20:28 2008 From: rvidal at gmail.com (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:20:28 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] remodeled prior logo attempt In-Reply-To: <14E0E120-CB11-4B2E-B248-23D452B0C7D1@gmail.com> References: <4ED13865-FE6B-45D0-8D12-F5F18DD732D4@unm.edu> <14E0E120-CB11-4B2E-B248-23D452B0C7D1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <213fc43b0804132220m41af572bw14234462aea42141@mail.gmail.com> I think we came to a conclusion via comments on Antonio's page. Tomorrow this should probably go up. ~Ricardo On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:17 AM, julius.lucks wrote: > Whatever happened to implementing this .... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Apr 6, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Anthony Salvagno wrote: > > http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Antonio/OWW_logo_with_text > > I put up two new versions of my previous design. I used some suggestions > from Jenny and I also uploaded the transparent. My pics are on a table just > like the one Ricardo used for his version. I chose to go with different > colors for Open and WetWare to model the banner on the main page, and cause > multicolors are hot (everyone's doing it now-a-days)! I look forward to > your feedback. > > ~Ant > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > -- Ricardo Vidal rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080414/30f456ca/attachment.htm From ilyas at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 14 17:51:07 2008 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:51:07 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Notes from April steering committee meeting posted In-Reply-To: <6ac0a26a0804101442mbe7e7a4pb772b053215e847e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ac0a26a0804101442mbe7e7a4pb772b053215e847e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4803D1CB.1070203@mit.edu> One way to "spread the word" and increase the user base is to implement a viral system that would allow existing users to give accounts to others but with a limit - like GMail used to have. For example, if I'm a user, I have five pre-approved accounts to give out and so would each of those five, etc. Ilya Lorrie LeJeune wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I've posted the notes from today's steering committee meeting: > http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee. Our goal for > the next month: spread the word about OWW, and get people involved. > > I've also updated the SC news to show the action hour that's been > scheduled for April 17 at 12Noon in the chat room. > > --L > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From ilyas at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 14 18:10:21 2008 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:10:21 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] OCW, Elsevier offer free content from thousands of journals Message-ID: <4803D64D.80709@mit.edu> "In a move to encourage open education, MIT OpenCourseWare (OCW) and Elsevier have agreed to make available figures and text selections from any of the publisher's more than 2,000 journal titles for use on OCW." http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/ocw-elsevier-tt0319.html Another small step forward. From julius.lucks at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 18:21:28 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:21:28 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Notes from April steering committee meeting posted In-Reply-To: <4803D1CB.1070203@mit.edu> References: <6ac0a26a0804101442mbe7e7a4pb772b053215e847e@mail.gmail.com> <4803D1CB.1070203@mit.edu> Message-ID: <962CE635-D88D-43DE-AF8A-36461898E5C1@gmail.com> I think this is a great idea actually. For example, I'm going to hand out a bunch of stickers at BioSysBio next week, and I would like to be able for people to get an account essentially immediately after I tell them about it so we can start using OWW at the conference. Having a system like this where I could invite x number of people to become members would be the perfect solution. (In my case of course, x -> \infinity. Just kidding.) Julius ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- On Apr 14, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > One way to "spread the word" and increase the user base is to > implement > a viral system that would allow existing users to give accounts to > others but with a limit - like GMail used to have. For example, if > I'm > a user, I have five pre-approved accounts to give out and so would > each > of those five, etc. > > Ilya > > > Lorrie LeJeune wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> I've posted the notes from today's steering committee meeting: >> http://openwetware.org/wiki/OpenWetWare:Steering_committee. Our >> goal for >> the next month: spread the word about OWW, and get people involved. >> >> I've also updated the SC news to show the action hour that's been >> scheduled for April 17 at 12Noon in the chat room. >> >> --L >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> discuss at openwetware.org >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080414/39e9bde2/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 21:03:52 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:03:52 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] RSS is being improved. Message-ID: <26428aaa0804141803v3bc027bfs586bb4bc8f4919d8@mail.gmail.com> The XFeeds RSS feed reader ( extension tag) has been substantially changed. If you look in the MediaWiki:Monobook.css page, there's now a set of tags at the bottom that start with OWWRSS. These tags control CSS styling of the XFeeds RSS extension. Jenny and I discussed doing this a while ago; Ricardo brought it up a few weeks ago. Today, Reshme, Barry, and Jason all thought it was a good day for the old look of the RSS feed to die. I pretty much rewrote the extension to turn the rather insular way in which style tags were cryptically inserted to come up with the new version. It's installed with default CSS I wrote. My bad CSS is crying out to be improved. Since the page used to modify the style is in the MediaWiki namespace, you need to be a sysop to edit it. If you don't have access and have suggestions, feel free to let me know what you would like to see. If there's demand, we can come up with an alternate way to pass in CSS so that every feed can have it's own CSS file. The actual CSS file to be used is passed in as a parameter to the extension. We can, in short, have multiple RSS styles. One of the parameters in the extension now is "cssprefix". Just copy the existing OWWRSS tags and rename them to the same name as the value you set cssprefix to. As an example: Currently the relevant CSS tags start with OWWRSS. The cssprefix for the front page passed to the extension is "OWWRSS". To make another one: 1. Copy the OWWRSS tags. (please don't delete the current OWWRSS tags.... the whole world is watching!) 2. Come up with a new prefix. Example: NEWSRSS. 3. Change the copy of the current tags to start with NEWSRSS. 4. Modify the CSS for each part of the RSS display (more on that in a detailed document). 5. Save the new tags to your own User:Name/Monobook.css file for testing. 6. Do what you need to make them look cool. (rad, hip, with-it, out of sight, mad....). 7. When it looks cooked, then save the tags you created in the Monobook.css file. 8. Make sure you have set the cssprefix to NEWSRSS. 9. Save a page with the XFeeds extension tag on it. 10. Let all of us see how it looks. I've also made a few other changes. 1. There's a new tag that allows you to limit the length of the text to be displayed. The default is now 200 characters I think. As I said, I'm working on a detail doc. 2. I've added a function to trim the prorate so that no more double empty lines will appear as they did in the past. 3. I've added a paragraph truncate which will display the text up to the end of the last sentence that can be displayed. Run-on sentences will not be handled all that well. Alas poor James Joyce... Ulysses won't make it. 4. If you want to continue to use the existing tags to XFeeds, they all still work. But the external CSS is the best way to go. I'm also fixing the title display so that you can have the extension only display the title text rather than also displaying the description. For some use of the extension, this will make a lot of sense. For example, that list of new users on the front page can now be slickly styled into something marginally easy on the eyes. If anyone has other suggestions, please let me know. The extension is now online and is begging to be styled. Thanks Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> Great work! Looks much better. Two minor comments... 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's possible). I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. The time of the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). But if this requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed element ... not sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined main page ... especially if it helps with load time (which was quite slow ... due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page image ... not sure about now?) team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers ... Bill, Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. -Reshma On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch wrote: > > > > > I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks pretty good right > now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that is there. That's > just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind of metric would > show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been figured out > already? > > What's "team at openwetware.org?" > > > > > From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On > Behalf Of Bill F > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM > To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org > Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. > Anysuggestions? > > > > > We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty 'minimalistic'. > > Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? > > > From ilyas at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 14 23:42:14 2008 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:42:14 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> Also, I've removed the heading "Main Page" from the Main Page. I think it looks cleaner this way but if you disgree I can revert this change very easily. Ilya Reshma Shetty wrote: > Great work! Looks much better. > > Two minor comments... > > 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's possible). > I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. The time of > the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). But if this > requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. > 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed element ... not > sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? > > I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined main page > ... especially if it helps with load time (which was quite slow ... > due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page image ... not > sure about now?) > > team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers ... Bill, > Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. > > -Reshma > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch wrote: >> >> >> >> I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks pretty good right >> now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that is there. That's >> just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind of metric would >> show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been figured out >> already? >> >> What's "team at openwetware.org?" >> >> >> >> >> From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On >> Behalf Of Bill F >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM >> To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org >> Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. >> Anysuggestions? >> >> >> >> >> We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty 'minimalistic'. >> >> Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From julius.lucks at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 23:48:11 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:48:11 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. Any suggestions? In-Reply-To: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I noticed that links included in the blog post snippets do not appear as links on the main page - is there any way to fix this? Cheers, Julius --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Apr 14, 2008, at 7:50 PM, Bill F wrote: > We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty > 'minimalistic'. > > Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From jasonk at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 14 23:52:29 2008 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:52:29 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> Message-ID: <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> agree with steve that we should keep it simple. Also, I think the main page is mostly used by new users, I assume most regular users never go there, so we could gear the page even more to new users then it already is. e.g. a prominent getting started button / prominent join button (not just a link buried in text), a search box in the middle somewhere, etc. might even o with a totally "non-wiki" main page (e.g. lose the side bar and the top bar) as well. thanks, jason On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > Also, I've removed the heading "Main Page" from the Main Page. I think > it looks cleaner this way but if you disgree I can revert this change > very easily. > > Ilya > > > > > Reshma Shetty wrote: > > Great work! Looks much better. > > > > Two minor comments... > > > > 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's possible). > > I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. The time of > > the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). But if this > > requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. > > 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed element ... not > > sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? > > > > I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined main page > > ... especially if it helps with load time (which was quite slow ... > > due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page image ... not > > sure about now?) > > > > team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers ... Bill, > > Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. > > > > -Reshma > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks pretty good right > >> now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that is there. That's > >> just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind of metric would > >> show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been figured out > >> already? > >> > >> What's "team at openwetware.org?" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On > >> Behalf Of Bill F > >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM > >> To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org > >> Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. > >> Anysuggestions? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty 'minimalistic'. > >> > >> Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > From bill.altmail at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 01:11:41 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:11:41 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804142211h146db0eavf96ef00c4da312bb@mail.gmail.com> I added flags that allow you yo now turn off either the title, timestamp, or description in RSS feeds. The default is that they're all enabled. To disable, just add one of the following flags: notitle="Y" notimestamp="Y" nodescription="Y" Just omit the flags to enable. Note: setting them to "N" has "unpredictable" results. Just delete the flag to enable any of them. Thanks. B. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > agree with steve that we should keep it simple. Also, I think the > main page is mostly used by new users, I assume most regular users > never go there, so we could gear the page even more to new users then > it already is. > > e.g. a prominent getting started button / prominent join button (not > just a link buried in text), a search box in the middle somewhere, > etc. > > might even o with a totally "non-wiki" main page (e.g. lose the side > bar and the top bar) as well. > > thanks, > jason > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > > Also, I've removed the heading "Main Page" from the Main Page. I think > > it looks cleaner this way but if you disgree I can revert this change > > very easily. > > > > Ilya > > > > > > > > > > Reshma Shetty wrote: > > > Great work! Looks much better. > > > > > > Two minor comments... > > > > > > 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's possible). > > > I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. The time of > > > the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). But if this > > > requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. > > > 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed element ... not > > > sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? > > > > > > I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined main > page > > > ... especially if it helps with load time (which was quite slow ... > > > due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page image ... > not > > > sure about now?) > > > > > > team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers ... Bill, > > > Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. > > > > > > -Reshma > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks pretty > good right > > >> now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that is there. > That's > > >> just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind of > metric would > > >> show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been figured > out > > >> already? > > >> > > >> What's "team at openwetware.org?" > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto: > oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On > > >> Behalf Of Bill F > > >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM > > >> To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org > > >> Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. > > >> Anysuggestions? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty > 'minimalistic'. > > >> > > >> Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080415/f8a7a62e/attachment.htm From julius.lucks at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 01:15:59 2008 From: julius.lucks at gmail.com (julius.lucks) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:15:59 -0700 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> I agree with Jason's points - Julius --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Apr 14, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > agree with steve that we should keep it simple. Also, I think the > main page is mostly used by new users, I assume most regular users > never go there, so we could gear the page even more to new users then > it already is. > > e.g. a prominent getting started button / prominent join button (not > just a link buried in text), a search box in the middle somewhere, > etc. > > might even o with a totally "non-wiki" main page (e.g. lose the side > bar and the top bar) as well. > > thanks, > jason > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: >> Also, I've removed the heading "Main Page" from the Main Page. I >> think >> it looks cleaner this way but if you disgree I can revert this change >> very easily. >> >> Ilya >> >> >> >> >> Reshma Shetty wrote: >>> Great work! Looks much better. >>> >>> Two minor comments... >>> >>> 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's >>> possible). >>> I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. The time of >>> the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). But if >>> this >>> requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. >>> 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed element ... >>> not >>> sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? >>> >>> I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined main >>> page >>> ... especially if it helps with load time (which was quite slow ... >>> due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page image ... >>> not >>> sure about now?) >>> >>> team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers ... >>> Bill, >>> Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. >>> >>> -Reshma >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks pretty >>>> good right >>>> now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that is >>>> there. That's >>>> just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind of >>>> metric would >>>> show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been figured >>>> out >>>> already? >>>> >>>> What's "team at openwetware.org?" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu >>>> ] On >>>> Behalf Of Bill F >>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM >>>> To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org >>>> Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. >>>> Anysuggestions? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty >>>> 'minimalistic'. >>>> >>>> Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >>> discuss at openwetware.org >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> discuss at openwetware.org >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From bcanton at MIT.EDU Tue Apr 15 09:46:14 2008 From: bcanton at MIT.EDU (Barry Canton) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:46:14 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> <34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> I'm also in favor of getting rid of most of the the wikiness from the main page. On 4/15/08, julius.lucks wrote: > I agree with Jason's points - Julius > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > On Apr 14, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > > > agree with steve that we should keep it simple. Also, I think the > > main page is mostly used by new users, I assume most regular users > > never go there, so we could gear the page even more to new users then > > it already is. > > > > e.g. a prominent getting started button / prominent join button (not > > just a link buried in text), a search box in the middle somewhere, > > etc. > > > > might even o with a totally "non-wiki" main page (e.g. lose the side > > bar and the top bar) as well. > > > > thanks, > > jason > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > >> Also, I've removed the heading "Main Page" from the Main Page. I > >> think > >> it looks cleaner this way but if you disgree I can revert this change > >> very easily. > >> > >> Ilya > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Reshma Shetty wrote: > >>> Great work! Looks much better. > >>> > >>> Two minor comments... > >>> > >>> 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's > >>> possible). > >>> I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. The time of > >>> the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). But if > >>> this > >>> requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. > >>> 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed element ... > >>> not > >>> sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? > >>> > >>> I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined main > >>> page > >>> ... especially if it helps with load time (which was quite slow ... > >>> due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page image ... > >>> not > >>> sure about now?) > >>> > >>> team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers ... > >>> Bill, > >>> Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. > >>> > >>> -Reshma > >>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks pretty > >>>> good right > >>>> now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that is > >>>> there. That's > >>>> just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind of > >>>> metric would > >>>> show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been figured > >>>> out > >>>> already? > >>>> > >>>> What's "team at openwetware.org?" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu > >>>> ] On > >>>> Behalf Of Bill F > >>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM > >>>> To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org > >>>> Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. > >>>> Anysuggestions? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty > >>>> 'minimalistic'. > >>>> > >>>> Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > >>> discuss at openwetware.org > >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > >> discuss at openwetware.org > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -- Barry Canton Endy Lab Biological Engineering Division Massachusetts Institute of Technology Tel.:(617) 401-7320 (Grand Central) Email1: bcanton at mit.edu Email2: bcanton at gmail.com From austin at csail.mit.edu Tue Apr 15 09:52:23 2008 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:52:23 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> (Barry Canton's message of "Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:46:14 -0400") References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> <34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87y77fmdig.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> "Barry Canton" wrote: > I'm also in favor of getting rid of most of the the wikiness from the main page. Here's how the main page looks "dewikified" http://main.openwetware.org/ Or just page content without site style sheets: http://openwetware.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=render -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From jennytnguyen at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 09:55:21 2008 From: jennytnguyen at gmail.com (Jenny Nguyen) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:55:21 -0500 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <87y77fmdig.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> <34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> <87y77fmdig.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> Message-ID: Style sheets are needed. Period. Although it looks great dewikified. :) On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Austin Che wrote: > "Barry Canton" wrote: > > > I'm also in favor of getting rid of most of the the wikiness from the > main page. > > Here's how the main page looks "dewikified" > http://main.openwetware.org/ > > Or just page content without site style sheets: > http://openwetware.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=render > > -- > Austin Che (617)253-5899 > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080415/31ba000d/attachment.htm From sjkoch at unm.edu Tue Apr 15 12:09:06 2008 From: sjkoch at unm.edu (Steven J. Koch) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:09:06 -0600 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has.Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com><6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com><48042416.1020507@mit.edu><7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com><34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c89f13$07ce8870$176b9950$@edu> Looks like I'm in the minority opinion, but I feel strongly that main page should not be dewikified. First, there may be unintended consequences. It always seems like there won't be, but there always are. For example, sometimes (rarely) I'll type in the address on my cell phone and then use the search box (which won't be there). Second, it may have the consequence of confusing people who ARE specifically looking for a lab wiki. This was me a little over a year ago--I was very happy to find something that looked like Wikipedia. I may not have joined if I found a main page that wasn't obviously a wiki. Of course, there may be more people unlike me, who have been turned away, this in unknown. But as time goes on, I would think the general scientific community will become more acquainted with Wikipedia and therefore wikis. Another thought in regards to my second point. Google decided to wipe "wiki" from their vocabulary. Maybe I'm in the minority opinion here too, but I find that a poor decision. Back when I joined OWW, I also signed up to be notified when jotspot was accepting customers again. A year later, I finally was notified and I was not at all attracted to Google Sites as an application for my lab wiki. Whether or not Google made the right decision, it does seem that their interface is geared towards people who don't want to see wiki code. There's no way we can compete with Google as far as general technical features go. But we can compete in terms of the community focused on open science and smart technical features like Lab Notebook 2.0. OWW's mission is in the same vein as Wikipedia's mission and they share the same wiki engine. So, I think a general guiding principle should be to emulate what Wikimedia does. This should save a ton on workload and I think also make sense to the majority of the OWW community and potential new members. --Steve -----Original Message----- From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On Behalf Of Barry Canton Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:46 AM To: julius.lucks Cc: discuss at openwetware.org Subject: Re: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has.Anysuggestions? I'm also in favor of getting rid of most of the the wikiness from the main page. On 4/15/08, julius.lucks wrote: > I agree with Jason's points - Julius > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ > > > > > On Apr 14, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > > > agree with steve that we should keep it simple. Also, I think the > > main page is mostly used by new users, I assume most regular users > > never go there, so we could gear the page even more to new users then > > it already is. > > > > e.g. a prominent getting started button / prominent join button (not > > just a link buried in text), a search box in the middle somewhere, > > etc. > > > > might even o with a totally "non-wiki" main page (e.g. lose the side > > bar and the top bar) as well. > > > > thanks, > > jason > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > >> Also, I've removed the heading "Main Page" from the Main Page. I > >> think > >> it looks cleaner this way but if you disgree I can revert this change > >> very easily. > >> > >> Ilya > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Reshma Shetty wrote: > >>> Great work! Looks much better. > >>> > >>> Two minor comments... > >>> > >>> 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's > >>> possible). > >>> I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. The time of > >>> the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). But if > >>> this > >>> requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. > >>> 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed element ... > >>> not > >>> sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? > >>> > >>> I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined main > >>> page > >>> ... especially if it helps with load time (which was quite slow ... > >>> due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page image ... > >>> not > >>> sure about now?) > >>> > >>> team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers ... > >>> Bill, > >>> Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. > >>> > >>> -Reshma > >>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks pretty > >>>> good right > >>>> now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that is > >>>> there. That's > >>>> just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind of > >>>> metric would > >>>> show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been figured > >>>> out > >>>> already? > >>>> > >>>> What's "team at openwetware.org?" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu > >>>> ] On > >>>> Behalf Of Bill F > >>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM > >>>> To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org > >>>> Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. > >>>> Anysuggestions? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty > >>>> 'minimalistic'. > >>>> > >>>> Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > >>> discuss at openwetware.org > >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > >> discuss at openwetware.org > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > -- Barry Canton Endy Lab Biological Engineering Division Massachusetts Institute of Technology Tel.:(617) 401-7320 (Grand Central) Email1: bcanton at mit.edu Email2: bcanton at gmail.com _______________________________________________ OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List discuss at openwetware.org http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss From jasonk at MIT.EDU Tue Apr 15 12:53:29 2008 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:53:29 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has.Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <000001c89f13$07ce8870$176b9950$@edu> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> <34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> <000001c89f13$07ce8870$176b9950$@edu> Message-ID: <7c085c480804150953p412aa01fre078523ea06c9506@mail.gmail.com> I agree with this strongly, steve. I would point out that http://wikipedia.org/ points to a "non-wiki" welcome page. I think if we did this for OWW we would need to make sure we kept links to the core stuff prominent on the main page. (e.g. we would still have a search box, it would just be front and center, rather then on the side). Also links to labs, protocols, etc, would stay. You right that tracking wikimedia is an excellent way to save on resources / get free "buzz" and new community members who already trained by wikipedia to understand our wiki engine. So i agree we should keep the connection strong, might be more explicit about saying that OWW is a wiki on the mainpage. (the word wiki isn't on there right now). thanks, jason On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Steven J. Koch wrote: > Looks like I'm in the minority opinion, but I feel strongly that main page > should not be dewikified. First, there may be unintended consequences. It > always seems like there won't be, but there always are. For example, > sometimes (rarely) I'll type in the address on my cell phone and then use > the search box (which won't be there). Second, it may have the consequence > of confusing people who ARE specifically looking for a lab wiki. This was > me a little over a year ago--I was very happy to find something that looked > like Wikipedia. I may not have joined if I found a main page that wasn't > obviously a wiki. Of course, there may be more people unlike me, who have > been turned away, this in unknown. But as time goes on, I would think the > general scientific community will become more acquainted with Wikipedia and > therefore wikis. > > Another thought in regards to my second point. Google decided to wipe > "wiki" from their vocabulary. Maybe I'm in the minority opinion here too, > but I find that a poor decision. Back when I joined OWW, I also signed up > to be notified when jotspot was accepting customers again. A year later, I > finally was notified and I was not at all attracted to Google Sites as an > application for my lab wiki. Whether or not Google made the right decision, > it does seem that their interface is geared towards people who don't want to > see wiki code. There's no way we can compete with Google as far as general > technical features go. But we can compete in terms of the community focused > on open science and smart technical features like Lab Notebook 2.0. OWW's > mission is in the same vein as Wikipedia's mission and they share the same > wiki engine. So, I think a general guiding principle should be to emulate > what Wikimedia does. This should save a ton on workload and I think also > make sense to the majority of the OWW community and potential new members. > > --Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On > > > Behalf Of Barry Canton > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:46 AM > To: julius.lucks > Cc: discuss at openwetware.org > Subject: Re: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it > has.Anysuggestions? > > I'm also in favor of getting rid of most of the the wikiness from the main > page. > > On 4/15/08, julius.lucks wrote: > > I agree with Jason's points - Julius > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > > > > > agree with steve that we should keep it simple. Also, I think the > > > main page is mostly used by new users, I assume most regular users > > > never go there, so we could gear the page even more to new users then > > > it already is. > > > > > > e.g. a prominent getting started button / prominent join button (not > > > just a link buried in text), a search box in the middle somewhere, > > > etc. > > > > > > might even o with a totally "non-wiki" main page (e.g. lose the side > > > bar and the top bar) as well. > > > > > > thanks, > > > jason > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > > >> Also, I've removed the heading "Main Page" from the Main Page. I > > >> think > > >> it looks cleaner this way but if you disgree I can revert this change > > >> very easily. > > >> > > >> Ilya > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Reshma Shetty wrote: > > >>> Great work! Looks much better. > > >>> > > >>> Two minor comments... > > >>> > > >>> 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's > > >>> possible). > > >>> I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. The time of > > >>> the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). But if > > >>> this > > >>> requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. > > >>> 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed element ... > > >>> not > > >>> sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? > > >>> > > >>> I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined main > > >>> page > > >>> ... especially if it helps with load time (which was quite slow ... > > >>> due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page image ... > > >>> not > > >>> sure about now?) > > >>> > > >>> team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers ... > > >>> Bill, > > >>> Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. > > >>> > > >>> -Reshma > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks pretty > > >>>> good right > > >>>> now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that is > > >>>> there. That's > > >>>> just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind of > > >>>> metric would > > >>>> show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been figured > > >>>> out > > >>>> already? > > >>>> > > >>>> What's "team at openwetware.org?" > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu > [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu > > >>>> ] On > > >>>> Behalf Of Bill F > > >>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM > > >>>> To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org > > >>>> Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. > > >>>> Anysuggestions? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty > > >>>> 'minimalistic'. > > >>>> > > >>>> Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > >>> discuss at openwetware.org > > >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > >> discuss at openwetware.org > > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > -- > Barry Canton > Endy Lab > Biological Engineering Division > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > Tel.:(617) 401-7320 (Grand Central) > Email1: bcanton at mit.edu > Email2: bcanton at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > From rshetty at MIT.EDU Tue Apr 15 16:27:42 2008 From: rshetty at MIT.EDU (Reshma Shetty) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:27:42 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has.Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <7c085c480804150953p412aa01fre078523ea06c9506@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> <34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> <000001c89f13$07ce8870$176b9950$@edu> <7c085c480804150953p412aa01fre078523ea06c9506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e9f40380804151327v3537d830w5ff6ccfd0e35df4b@mail.gmail.com> I'm divided on whether dewikifying the main page is a good idea or not ... However, it may be worth considering converting the openwetware.org page to a static html page. It could be modeled on Wikipedia: an OWW logo surrounded by links to Protocols, Blogs, Labs, Resources, Materials, etc. plus a prominent search box and Join OWW link centered below. Clicking on any link takes them to the "real" wiki. The wiki "main page" could continue to be our current main page akin to how Wikipedia does it. Thoughts? -Reshma On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > I agree with this strongly, steve. > > I would point out that http://wikipedia.org/ points to a "non-wiki" > welcome page. I think if we did this for OWW we would need to make > sure we kept links to the core stuff prominent on the main page. (e.g. > we would still have a search box, it would just be front and center, > rather then on the side). Also links to labs, protocols, etc, would > stay. > > You right that tracking wikimedia is an excellent way to save on > resources / get free "buzz" and new community members who already > trained by wikipedia to understand our wiki engine. So i agree we > should keep the connection strong, might be more explicit about saying > that OWW is a wiki on the mainpage. (the word wiki isn't on there > right now). > > thanks, > jason > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Steven J. Koch wrote: > > Looks like I'm in the minority opinion, but I feel strongly that main page > > should not be dewikified. First, there may be unintended consequences. It > > always seems like there won't be, but there always are. For example, > > sometimes (rarely) I'll type in the address on my cell phone and then use > > the search box (which won't be there). Second, it may have the consequence > > of confusing people who ARE specifically looking for a lab wiki. This was > > me a little over a year ago--I was very happy to find something that looked > > like Wikipedia. I may not have joined if I found a main page that wasn't > > obviously a wiki. Of course, there may be more people unlike me, who have > > been turned away, this in unknown. But as time goes on, I would think the > > general scientific community will become more acquainted with Wikipedia and > > therefore wikis. > > > > Another thought in regards to my second point. Google decided to wipe > > "wiki" from their vocabulary. Maybe I'm in the minority opinion here too, > > but I find that a poor decision. Back when I joined OWW, I also signed up > > to be notified when jotspot was accepting customers again. A year later, I > > finally was notified and I was not at all attracted to Google Sites as an > > application for my lab wiki. Whether or not Google made the right decision, > > it does seem that their interface is geared towards people who don't want to > > see wiki code. There's no way we can compete with Google as far as general > > technical features go. But we can compete in terms of the community focused > > on open science and smart technical features like Lab Notebook 2.0. OWW's > > mission is in the same vein as Wikipedia's mission and they share the same > > wiki engine. So, I think a general guiding principle should be to emulate > > what Wikimedia does. This should save a ton on workload and I think also > > make sense to the majority of the OWW community and potential new members. > > > > --Steve > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On > > > > > > Behalf Of Barry Canton > > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:46 AM > > To: julius.lucks > > Cc: discuss at openwetware.org > > Subject: Re: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it > > has.Anysuggestions? > > > > I'm also in favor of getting rid of most of the the wikiness from the main > > page. > > > > On 4/15/08, julius.lucks wrote: > > > I agree with Jason's points - Julius > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > > > > > > > agree with steve that we should keep it simple. Also, I think the > > > > main page is mostly used by new users, I assume most regular users > > > > never go there, so we could gear the page even more to new users then > > > > it already is. > > > > > > > > e.g. a prominent getting started button / prominent join button (not > > > > just a link buried in text), a search box in the middle somewhere, > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > might even o with a totally "non-wiki" main page (e.g. lose the side > > > > bar and the top bar) as well. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > jason > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: > > > >> Also, I've removed the heading "Main Page" from the Main Page. I > > > >> think > > > >> it looks cleaner this way but if you disgree I can revert this change > > > >> very easily. > > > >> > > > >> Ilya > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Reshma Shetty wrote: > > > >>> Great work! Looks much better. > > > >>> > > > >>> Two minor comments... > > > >>> > > > >>> 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's > > > >>> possible). > > > >>> I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. The time of > > > >>> the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). But if > > > >>> this > > > >>> requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. > > > >>> 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed element ... > > > >>> not > > > >>> sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? > > > >>> > > > >>> I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined main > > > >>> page > > > >>> ... especially if it helps with load time (which was quite slow ... > > > >>> due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page image ... > > > >>> not > > > >>> sure about now?) > > > >>> > > > >>> team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers ... > > > >>> Bill, > > > >>> Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. > > > >>> > > > >>> -Reshma > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks pretty > > > >>>> good right > > > >>>> now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that is > > > >>>> there. That's > > > >>>> just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind of > > > >>>> metric would > > > >>>> show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been figured > > > >>>> out > > > >>>> already? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> What's "team at openwetware.org?" > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu > > [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu > > > >>>> ] On > > > >>>> Behalf Of Bill F > > > >>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM > > > >>>> To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org > > > >>>> Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. > > > >>>> Anysuggestions? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty > > > >>>> 'minimalistic'. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > >>> discuss at openwetware.org > > > >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > >> discuss at openwetware.org > > > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > -- > > Barry Canton > > Endy Lab > > Biological Engineering Division > > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > > > Tel.:(617) 401-7320 (Grand Central) > > Email1: bcanton at mit.edu > > Email2: bcanton at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > From await at genetics.med.harvard.edu Tue Apr 15 17:37:32 2008 From: await at genetics.med.harvard.edu (Alexander Wait Zaranek) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:37:32 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has.Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <6e9f40380804151327v3537d830w5ff6ccfd0e35df4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> <34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> <000001c89f13$07ce8870$176b9950$@edu> <7c085c480804150953p412aa01fre078523ea06c9506@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804151327v3537d830w5ff6ccfd0e35df4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b89c0c0804151437r201f1138q6ca04d12482ea7e0@mail.gmail.com> > However, it may be worth considering converting the openwetware.org > page to a static html page. It could be modeled on Wikipedia: an OWW > logo surrounded by links to Protocols, Blogs, Labs, Resources, > Materials, etc. plus a prominent search box and Join OWW link centered > below. Clicking on any link takes them to the "real" wiki. The wiki > "main page" could continue to be our current main page akin to how > Wikipedia does it. To me, it seems strange to hide the "wiki-nature" of OWW behind a static html page. Maybe the only reason that Wikipedia has that html page is that people mostly use Wikipedia in their own language? So one reason that "http://en.wikipedia.org" is not the wikipedia mainpage is that might offend some of the other major language projects? Not sure Wikipedia is such a great example for us this time... Sasha From ilyas at MIT.EDU Tue Apr 15 17:41:38 2008 From: ilyas at MIT.EDU (Ilya Sytchev) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:41:38 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has.Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <6e9f40380804151327v3537d830w5ff6ccfd0e35df4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> <34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> <000001c89f13$07ce8870$176b9950$@edu> <7c085c480804150953p412aa01fre078523ea06c9506@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804151327v3537d830w5ff6ccfd0e35df4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48052112.6020500@mit.edu> I'm in favor of a simple and lightweight main page. It works well for Google and Wikipedia already. One additional reason is that many people who use OWW are located abroad and might not have fast Internet connections. Waiting for the main page to load on a 56K dialup link is just painful currently (takes about one minute according to http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/) and it is the most popular page on the site. Ilya Reshma Shetty wrote: > I'm divided on whether dewikifying the main page is a good idea or not ... > > However, it may be worth considering converting the openwetware.org > page to a static html page. It could be modeled on Wikipedia: an OWW > logo surrounded by links to Protocols, Blogs, Labs, Resources, > Materials, etc. plus a prominent search box and Join OWW link centered > below. Clicking on any link takes them to the "real" wiki. The wiki > "main page" could continue to be our current main page akin to how > Wikipedia does it. > > Thoughts? > > -Reshma > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: >> I agree with this strongly, steve. >> >> I would point out that http://wikipedia.org/ points to a "non-wiki" >> welcome page. I think if we did this for OWW we would need to make >> sure we kept links to the core stuff prominent on the main page. (e.g. >> we would still have a search box, it would just be front and center, >> rather then on the side). Also links to labs, protocols, etc, would >> stay. >> >> You right that tracking wikimedia is an excellent way to save on >> resources / get free "buzz" and new community members who already >> trained by wikipedia to understand our wiki engine. So i agree we >> should keep the connection strong, might be more explicit about saying >> that OWW is a wiki on the mainpage. (the word wiki isn't on there >> right now). >> >> thanks, >> jason >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Steven J. Koch wrote: >> > Looks like I'm in the minority opinion, but I feel strongly that main page >> > should not be dewikified. First, there may be unintended consequences. It >> > always seems like there won't be, but there always are. For example, >> > sometimes (rarely) I'll type in the address on my cell phone and then use >> > the search box (which won't be there). Second, it may have the consequence >> > of confusing people who ARE specifically looking for a lab wiki. This was >> > me a little over a year ago--I was very happy to find something that looked >> > like Wikipedia. I may not have joined if I found a main page that wasn't >> > obviously a wiki. Of course, there may be more people unlike me, who have >> > been turned away, this in unknown. But as time goes on, I would think the >> > general scientific community will become more acquainted with Wikipedia and >> > therefore wikis. >> > >> > Another thought in regards to my second point. Google decided to wipe >> > "wiki" from their vocabulary. Maybe I'm in the minority opinion here too, >> > but I find that a poor decision. Back when I joined OWW, I also signed up >> > to be notified when jotspot was accepting customers again. A year later, I >> > finally was notified and I was not at all attracted to Google Sites as an >> > application for my lab wiki. Whether or not Google made the right decision, >> > it does seem that their interface is geared towards people who don't want to >> > see wiki code. There's no way we can compete with Google as far as general >> > technical features go. But we can compete in terms of the community focused >> > on open science and smart technical features like Lab Notebook 2.0. OWW's >> > mission is in the same vein as Wikipedia's mission and they share the same >> > wiki engine. So, I think a general guiding principle should be to emulate >> > what Wikimedia does. This should save a ton on workload and I think also >> > make sense to the majority of the OWW community and potential new members. >> > >> > --Steve >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On >> > >> > >> > Behalf Of Barry Canton >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:46 AM >> > To: julius.lucks >> > Cc: discuss at openwetware.org >> > Subject: Re: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it >> > has.Anysuggestions? >> > >> > I'm also in favor of getting rid of most of the the wikiness from the main >> > page. >> > >> > On 4/15/08, julius.lucks wrote: >> > > I agree with Jason's points - Julius >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ----------- >> > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ------------ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Apr 14, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: >> > > >> > > > agree with steve that we should keep it simple. Also, I think the >> > > > main page is mostly used by new users, I assume most regular users >> > > > never go there, so we could gear the page even more to new users then >> > > > it already is. >> > > > >> > > > e.g. a prominent getting started button / prominent join button (not >> > > > just a link buried in text), a search box in the middle somewhere, >> > > > etc. >> > > > >> > > > might even o with a totally "non-wiki" main page (e.g. lose the side >> > > > bar and the top bar) as well. >> > > > >> > > > thanks, >> > > > jason >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Ilya Sytchev wrote: >> > > >> Also, I've removed the heading "Main Page" from the Main Page. I >> > > >> think >> > > >> it looks cleaner this way but if you disgree I can revert this change >> > > >> very easily. >> > > >> >> > > >> Ilya >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Reshma Shetty wrote: >> > > >>> Great work! Looks much better. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Two minor comments... >> > > >>> >> > > >>> 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's >> > > >>> possible). >> > > >>> I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. The time of >> > > >>> the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). But if >> > > >>> this >> > > >>> requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. >> > > >>> 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed element ... >> > > >>> not >> > > >>> sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? >> > > >>> >> > > >>> I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined main >> > > >>> page >> > > >>> ... especially if it helps with load time (which was quite slow ... >> > > >>> due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page image ... >> > > >>> not >> > > >>> sure about now?) >> > > >>> >> > > >>> team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers ... >> > > >>> Bill, >> > > >>> Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> -Reshma >> > > >>> >> > > >>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch >> > > >>> wrote: >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks pretty >> > > >>>> good right >> > > >>>> now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that is >> > > >>>> there. That's >> > > >>>> just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind of >> > > >>>> metric would >> > > >>>> show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been figured >> > > >>>> out >> > > >>>> already? >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> What's "team at openwetware.org?" >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu >> > [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu >> > > >>>> ] On >> > > >>>> Behalf Of Bill F >> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM >> > > >>>> To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org >> > > >>>> Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has. >> > > >>>> Anysuggestions? >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty >> > > >>>> 'minimalistic'. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > > >>> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> > > >>> discuss at openwetware.org >> > > >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> > > >> discuss at openwetware.org >> > > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> > > >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> > > > discuss at openwetware.org >> > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> > > discuss at openwetware.org >> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Barry Canton >> > Endy Lab >> > Biological Engineering Division >> > Massachusetts Institute of Technology >> > >> > Tel.:(617) 401-7320 (Grand Central) >> > Email1: bcanton at mit.edu >> > Email2: bcanton at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> > discuss at openwetware.org >> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> > >> > >> From rvidal at openwetware.org Wed Apr 16 12:18:14 2008 From: rvidal at openwetware.org (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:18:14 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it has.Anysuggestions? In-Reply-To: <7c085c480804160913l2862079ay6b8ca5c47bc1055e@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804141950j169b23d8w1269ad8c745272aa@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804142011i482b4093od1beaf77360f40ef@mail.gmail.com> <48042416.1020507@mit.edu> <7c085c480804142052l3ac7d242w699fa8eb51aa9d93@mail.gmail.com> <34B59E3D-B8A2-4D16-9570-FDC845DB784B@gmail.com> <52c0d2160804150646q5bf508daofee17a48fe91502d@mail.gmail.com> <000001c89f13$07ce8870$176b9950$@edu> <7c085c480804150953p412aa01fre078523ea06c9506@mail.gmail.com> <6e9f40380804151327v3537d830w5ff6ccfd0e35df4b@mail.gmail.com> <7c085c480804160913l2862079ay6b8ca5c47bc1055e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <213fc43b0804160918me0c2ccem56f2e0f4e2169f8@mail.gmail.com> I'll give this a go later on today and will post something on the wiki and we can go from there. ~R On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > hey jenny/ricardo, > maybe the next step here would be for you guys to work together on a > mock-up of a new de-wikied OWW homepage? let me know if that makes > sense. > > ricardo, i'd like it to be geared towards new users, and i think you > have a good feel now for what it would be best for them to see. > > thanks > jason > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Reshma Shetty > Date: Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it > has.Anysuggestions? > To: Jason Kelly > Cc: "Steven J. Koch" , Barry Canton , > oww-discuss at mit.edu, team at openwetware.org > > > I'm divided on whether dewikifying the main page is a good idea or not ... > > However, it may be worth considering converting the openwetware.org > page to a static html page. It could be modeled on Wikipedia: an OWW > logo surrounded by links to Protocols, Blogs, Labs, Resources, > Materials, etc. plus a prominent search box and Join OWW link centered > below. Clicking on any link takes them to the "real" wiki. The wiki > "main page" could continue to be our current main page akin to how > Wikipedia does it. > > Thoughts? > > -Reshma > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > > I agree with this strongly, steve. > > > > I would point out that http://wikipedia.org/ points to a "non-wiki" > > welcome page. I think if we did this for OWW we would need to make > > sure we kept links to the core stuff prominent on the main page. (e.g. > > we would still have a search box, it would just be front and center, > > rather then on the side). Also links to labs, protocols, etc, would > > stay. > > > > You right that tracking wikimedia is an excellent way to save on > > resources / get free "buzz" and new community members who already > > trained by wikipedia to understand our wiki engine. So i agree we > > should keep the connection strong, might be more explicit about saying > > that OWW is a wiki on the mainpage. (the word wiki isn't on there > > right now). > > > > thanks, > > jason > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Steven J. Koch > wrote: > > > Looks like I'm in the minority opinion, but I feel strongly that > main page > > > should not be dewikified. First, there may be unintended > consequences. It > > > always seems like there won't be, but there always are. For > example, > > > sometimes (rarely) I'll type in the address on my cell phone and > then use > > > the search box (which won't be there). Second, it may have the > consequence > > > of confusing people who ARE specifically looking for a lab > wiki. This was > > > me a little over a year ago--I was very happy to find something > that looked > > > like Wikipedia. I may not have joined if I found a main page that > wasn't > > > obviously a wiki. Of course, there may be more people unlike > me, who have > > > been turned away, this in unknown. But as time goes on, I > would think the > > > general scientific community will become more acquainted with > Wikipedia and > > > therefore wikis. > > > > > > Another thought in regards to my second point. Google decided to > wipe > > > "wiki" from their vocabulary. Maybe I'm in the minority > opinion here too, > > > but I find that a poor decision. Back when I joined OWW, I > also signed up > > > to be notified when jotspot was accepting customers again. A > year later, I > > > finally was notified and I was not at all attracted to Google Sites > as an > > > application for my lab wiki. Whether or not Google made the > right decision, > > > it does seem that their interface is geared towards people who > don't want to > > > see wiki code. There's no way we can compete with Google as > far as general > > > technical features go. But we can compete in terms of the > community focused > > > on open science and smart technical features like Lab Notebook > 2.0. OWW's > > > mission is in the same vein as Wikipedia's mission and they > share the same > > > wiki engine. So, I think a general guiding principle should be > to emulate > > > what Wikimedia does. This should save a ton on workload and I > think also > > > make sense to the majority of the OWW community and potential > new members. > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu [mailto: > oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu] On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Barry Canton > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:46 AM > > > To: julius.lucks > > > Cc: discuss at openwetware.org > > > Subject: Re: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it > > > has.Anysuggestions? > > > > > > I'm also in favor of getting rid of most of the the wikiness > from the main > > > page. > > > > > > On 4/15/08, julius.lucks wrote: > > > > I agree with Jason's points - Julius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----------- > > > > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Jason Kelly wrote: > > > > > > > > > agree with steve that we should keep it simple. Also, I think > the > > > > > main page is mostly used by new users, I assume most regular > users > > > > > never go there, so we could gear the page even more to new > users then > > > > > it already is. > > > > > > > > > > e.g. a prominent getting started button / prominent join > button (not > > > > > just a link buried in text), a search box in the middle > somewhere, > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > might even o with a totally "non-wiki" main page (e.g. lose > the side > > > > > bar and the top bar) as well. > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > jason > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Ilya Sytchev > wrote: > > > > >> Also, I've removed the heading "Main Page" from the Main > Page. I > > > > >> think > > > > >> it looks cleaner this way but if you disgree I can revert > this change > > > > >> very easily. > > > > >> > > > > >> Ilya > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Reshma Shetty wrote: > > > > >>> Great work! Looks much better. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Two minor comments... > > > > >>> > > > > >>> 1) I'd get rid of the blog name on the RSS feed (if that's > > > > >>> possible). > > > > >>> I think it is redundant for the feed on the main page. > The time of > > > > >>> the post is likely also unnecessary (but keep the date). > But if > > > > >>> this > > > > >>> requires additional recoding of the extension, then skip it. > > > > >>> 2) I am seeing some faint blue lines around each feed > element ... > > > > >>> not > > > > >>> sure why ... perhaps some CSS oddity? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I agree with Steve re the main page. I prefer a streamlined > main > > > > >>> page > > > > >>> ... especially if it helps with load time (which was > quite slow ... > > > > >>> due at least in part to an unnecessarily large main page > image ... > > > > >>> not > > > > >>> sure about now?) > > > > >>> > > > > >>> team is the email list for the OWW board + full-time OWWers > ... > > > > >>> Bill, > > > > >>> Lorrie and Ricardo. All folks on team are also on discuss. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> -Reshma > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steve Koch > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> I can come up with ideas, but my opinion is that it looks > pretty > > > > >>>> good right > > > > >>>> now and more stuff may dilute effectiveness of stuff that > is > > > > >>>> there. That's > > > > >>>> just my opinion, but brings up another question. What kind > of > > > > >>>> metric would > > > > >>>> show how effective the main page is? Maybe this has been > figured > > > > >>>> out > > > > >>>> already? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> What's "team at openwetware.org?" > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> From: oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu > > > [mailto:oww-discuss-bounces at mit.edu > > > > >>>> ] On > > > > >>>> Behalf Of Bill F > > > > >>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:50 PM > > > > >>>> To: discuss at openwetware.org; team at openwetware.org > > > > >>>> Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Front page. It needs more than it > has. > > > > >>>> Anysuggestions? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> We've pared it down to the point that it's getting pretty > > > > >>>> 'minimalistic'. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Any ideas on what to do to start bulking it up a bit? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > >>> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > >>> discuss at openwetware.org > > > > >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > >> discuss at openwetware.org > > > > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Barry Canton > > > Endy Lab > > > Biological Engineering Division > > > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > > > > > Tel.:(617) 401-7320 (Grand Central) > > > Email1: bcanton at mit.edu > > > Email2: bcanton at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > -- Ricardo Vidal rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080416/a3e602f5/attachment.htm From johncumbers at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 08:21:34 2008 From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:21:34 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Action hour, today, Thursday at noon EST http://openwetware.org/chat/ Message-ID: Hi all, There will be another action hour today, Thursday at noon EST, To take part go to: http://openwetware.org/chat/ login with your oww uname with underscores replacing spaces, e.g my username is normally John Cumbers so my chat username is: John_Cumbers The ideas is to meet each week and provide a focal point and time for getting things done, Hope to see you there, cheers, John Here are the actions from last week's steering committee meeting: How to reignite the steering committee and get more people involved - Weekly action hour, Thursdays at 12Noon - Post notice on front page for each SC and action hour - Recruitment drive to get more people participating in the discuss list (or the new discussion forum). Goal: Double the number of members on the discuss list by... August 31? - Encourage personal connections between SC members and the community and between members of the community - Pay close attention to people signing up as users, and to people doing a lot of editing. Reach out to them individually. - Talk to SciLink; make a social network around OWW? - Initiate a discussion on the forum or discuss list of what kinds of tools scientists need to be part of a social network - come up with a user-friendly way of looking at OWW statistics - Focus of OWW over the next 6 months should be the promotion of open science and use of lab notebook - Some sort of viral publicity campaign centered around the new release of th Lab Notebook - Set up a blog posting schedule for a minimum of one publicity-oriented post about LN or other OWW features each week - Ricardo has contacts out in the blogosphere Next month: - Talk about chairs and how to group different members around different areas - Each month, SC to come up with a samll, fun activity that can be picked up by a new member. - Lorrie: better organization of action items At the root of it, we want to show people that they can be an active part of a community, and that being part of the community has tangible rewards. -- John Cumbers, Graduate Student Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080417/d1df2a0e/attachment.htm From rvidal at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:02:47 2008 From: rvidal at gmail.com (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:02:47 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Pubget is like Pubmed, except you get the PDFs right away Message-ID: <213fc43b0804170902x7b844a9ak59f9621528bf7658@mail.gmail.com> Thought this might be of interest and usefulness: http://pubget.com/site/search It's a streamlined pubmed search site with some great features. Give it a look. -- Ricardo Vidal rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080417/43dfb7e7/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 10:06:51 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:06:51 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Fwd: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) In-Reply-To: <20080418131235.D37A03D2094@mail.openwetware.org> References: <20080418131235.D37A03D2094@mail.openwetware.org> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804180706y3dec74fcj698cb66f2c436a4f@mail.gmail.com> This message is great content for an OWW "coming events" section, something we don't really have. Boy.. we could even schedule out monthly meetings using it... it could be a great resource for people looking for info on biological or lab science events in their area... maybe it would be a resource others would come to rely upon.... Nah... Maybe... We can use the Calendar extension to create one. An event might look something like this... (now in place but subject to change) [[Event:Events By Date/2008/06/03|Royal Society Meeting: Future of Synthetic Biology in the UK]] Please push it around and see if anyone can do anything less geeky that I would do with the design. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: OpenWetWare Feedback Form on OpenWetWare Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM Subject: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) To: Oww-Feedback Dear colleague, The Royal Society is planning a seminal discussion meeting on Synthetic Biology to discuss the future of this emerging area in the UK. The programme is being organised by Professor Brian Spratt FRS, Dr Jason Chin, Professor Richard Kitney and Professor Paul Freemont and will be held at the Royal Society in London on Monday 2 and Tuesday 3 June 2008. The meeting aims to capture the recent developments in this rapidly developing field and to look at potential applications of synthetic biology. The meeting should help to clarify the wider issues associated with synthetic biology and how these might be addressed. We anticipate this being a very popular meeting. A report of the meeting will be produced by the programme organising committee that will capture the major developments, applications and issues identified at the discussion meeting. We would be grateful if you could distribute this information and list it on your department website, if you think appropriate. Many thanks in advance. Royal Society scientific discussion meeting announcement Synthetic Biology - Monday 2 ? Tuesday 3 June 2008 Organised by Professor Brian Spratt FRS (Imperial College London), Dr Jason Chin (University of Cambridge), Professor Richard Kitney (Imperial College London) and Professor Paul Freemont (Imperial College London) Synopsis: Synthetic biology has been described as the design and construction of novel artificial biological pathways, organisms or devices, or the redesign of existing natural biological systems. It has developed from the convergence of other disciplines such as systems biology, genetic engineering, engineering, information theory, physics, nanotechnologies and computer modelling. This meeting will discuss advances and applications of this exciting technology. Speakers include: Dr Jason Chin, Professor Martin Fussenegger, Professor Phil Holliger, Dr Farren Isaacs, Professor Jay D. Keasling, Professor Alex Ninfa, Professor Steve Oliver, Dr Georg Seelig, Professor Pamela Silver, Dr Danielle Tullman-Ercek, Professor Hans Westerhoff and Dr Lingchong You Registration: The meeting is free to attend but pre-registration online is essential. The online registration form and programme is available at www.royalsociety.org/events Kind regards _______________________________________________ Oww-Feedback mailing list Oww-Feedback at mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-feedback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080418/ae32ebf5/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 10:07:15 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:07:15 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Fwd: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) In-Reply-To: <20080418131235.D37A03D2094@mail.openwetware.org> References: <20080418131235.D37A03D2094@mail.openwetware.org> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804180707v1c56162dr9173c7578c3d7262@mail.gmail.com> This message is great content for an OWW "coming events" section, something we don't really have. Boy.. we could even schedule out monthly meetings using it... it could be a great resource for people looking for info on biological or lab science events in their area... maybe it would be a resource others would come to rely upon.... Nah... Maybe... We can use the Calendar extension to create one. An event might look something like this... (now in place but subject to change) [[Event:Events By Date/2008/06/03|Royal Society Meeting: Future of Synthetic Biology in the UK]] Please push it around and see if anyone can do anything less geeky that I would do with the design. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: OpenWetWare Feedback Form on OpenWetWare Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM Subject: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) To: Oww-Feedback Dear colleague, The Royal Society is planning a seminal discussion meeting on Synthetic Biology to discuss the future of this emerging area in the UK. The programme is being organised by Professor Brian Spratt FRS, Dr Jason Chin, Professor Richard Kitney and Professor Paul Freemont and will be held at the Royal Society in London on Monday 2 and Tuesday 3 June 2008. The meeting aims to capture the recent developments in this rapidly developing field and to look at potential applications of synthetic biology. The meeting should help to clarify the wider issues associated with synthetic biology and how these might be addressed. We anticipate this being a very popular meeting. A report of the meeting will be produced by the programme organising committee that will capture the major developments, applications and issues identified at the discussion meeting. We would be grateful if you could distribute this information and list it on your department website, if you think appropriate. Many thanks in advance. Royal Society scientific discussion meeting announcement Synthetic Biology - Monday 2 ? Tuesday 3 June 2008 Organised by Professor Brian Spratt FRS (Imperial College London), Dr Jason Chin (University of Cambridge), Professor Richard Kitney (Imperial College London) and Professor Paul Freemont (Imperial College London) Synopsis: Synthetic biology has been described as the design and construction of novel artificial biological pathways, organisms or devices, or the redesign of existing natural biological systems. It has developed from the convergence of other disciplines such as systems biology, genetic engineering, engineering, information theory, physics, nanotechnologies and computer modelling. This meeting will discuss advances and applications of this exciting technology. Speakers include: Dr Jason Chin, Professor Martin Fussenegger, Professor Phil Holliger, Dr Farren Isaacs, Professor Jay D. Keasling, Professor Alex Ninfa, Professor Steve Oliver, Dr Georg Seelig, Professor Pamela Silver, Dr Danielle Tullman-Ercek, Professor Hans Westerhoff and Dr Lingchong You Registration: The meeting is free to attend but pre-registration online is essential. The online registration form and programme is available at www.royalsociety.org/events Kind regards _______________________________________________ Oww-Feedback mailing list Oww-Feedback at mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-feedback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080418/1b5b357a/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 10:06:51 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:06:51 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Fwd: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) In-Reply-To: <20080418131235.D37A03D2094@mail.openwetware.org> References: <20080418131235.D37A03D2094@mail.openwetware.org> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804180706y3dec74fcj698cb66f2c436a4f@mail.gmail.com> This message is great content for an OWW "coming events" section, something we don't really have. Boy.. we could even schedule out monthly meetings using it... it could be a great resource for people looking for info on biological or lab science events in their area... maybe it would be a resource others would come to rely upon.... Nah... Maybe... We can use the Calendar extension to create one. An event might look something like this... (now in place but subject to change) [[Event:Events By Date/2008/06/03|Royal Society Meeting: Future of Synthetic Biology in the UK]] Please push it around and see if anyone can do anything less geeky that I would do with the design. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: OpenWetWare Feedback Form on OpenWetWare Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM Subject: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) To: Oww-Feedback Dear colleague, The Royal Society is planning a seminal discussion meeting on Synthetic Biology to discuss the future of this emerging area in the UK. The programme is being organised by Professor Brian Spratt FRS, Dr Jason Chin, Professor Richard Kitney and Professor Paul Freemont and will be held at the Royal Society in London on Monday 2 and Tuesday 3 June 2008. The meeting aims to capture the recent developments in this rapidly developing field and to look at potential applications of synthetic biology. The meeting should help to clarify the wider issues associated with synthetic biology and how these might be addressed. We anticipate this being a very popular meeting. A report of the meeting will be produced by the programme organising committee that will capture the major developments, applications and issues identified at the discussion meeting. We would be grateful if you could distribute this information and list it on your department website, if you think appropriate. Many thanks in advance. Royal Society scientific discussion meeting announcement Synthetic Biology - Monday 2 ? Tuesday 3 June 2008 Organised by Professor Brian Spratt FRS (Imperial College London), Dr Jason Chin (University of Cambridge), Professor Richard Kitney (Imperial College London) and Professor Paul Freemont (Imperial College London) Synopsis: Synthetic biology has been described as the design and construction of novel artificial biological pathways, organisms or devices, or the redesign of existing natural biological systems. It has developed from the convergence of other disciplines such as systems biology, genetic engineering, engineering, information theory, physics, nanotechnologies and computer modelling. This meeting will discuss advances and applications of this exciting technology. Speakers include: Dr Jason Chin, Professor Martin Fussenegger, Professor Phil Holliger, Dr Farren Isaacs, Professor Jay D. Keasling, Professor Alex Ninfa, Professor Steve Oliver, Dr Georg Seelig, Professor Pamela Silver, Dr Danielle Tullman-Ercek, Professor Hans Westerhoff and Dr Lingchong You Registration: The meeting is free to attend but pre-registration online is essential. The online registration form and programme is available at www.royalsociety.org/events Kind regards _______________________________________________ Oww-Feedback mailing list Oww-Feedback at mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-feedback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080418/ae32ebf5/attachment-0001.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 10:20:40 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:20:40 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Fwd: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) In-Reply-To: <26428aaa0804180706y3dec74fcj698cb66f2c436a4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080418131235.D37A03D2094@mail.openwetware.org> <26428aaa0804180706y3dec74fcj698cb66f2c436a4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804180720w560b7c78s556482c5e2e0a9db@mail.gmail.com> If there was an RSS feed to accompany the calendar, it could also be pretty useful. Too bad the current calendar extension doesn't "know" about how to generate an RSS feed. If it did, this would work for lab notebooks as well as the event calendar. Hmm... On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Bill F wrote: > This message is great content for an OWW "coming events" section, > something we don't really have. Boy.. we could even schedule out monthly > meetings using it... it could be a great resource for people looking for > info on biological or lab science events in their area... maybe it would be > a resource others would come to rely upon.... > > Nah... > > > Maybe... > > We can use the Calendar extension to create one. > > An event might look something like this... (now in place but subject to > change) > > [[Event:Events By Date/2008/06/03|Royal Society Meeting: Future of > Synthetic Biology in the UK]] > > Please push it around and see if anyone can do anything less geeky that I > would do with the design. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: OpenWetWare Feedback Form on OpenWetWare > Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM > Subject: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) > To: Oww-Feedback > > > Dear colleague, > > The Royal Society is planning a seminal discussion meeting on Synthetic > Biology to discuss the future of this emerging area in the UK. The > programme is being organised by Professor Brian Spratt FRS, Dr Jason Chin, > Professor Richard Kitney and Professor Paul Freemont and will be held at the > Royal Society in London on Monday 2 and Tuesday 3 June 2008. > > The meeting aims to capture the recent developments in this rapidly > developing field and to look at potential applications of synthetic biology. > The meeting should help to clarify the wider issues associated with > synthetic biology and how these might be addressed. We anticipate this > being a very popular meeting. > A report of the meeting will be produced by the programme organising > committee that will capture the major developments, applications and issues > identified at the discussion meeting. > We would be grateful if you could distribute this information and list it > on your department website, if you think appropriate. Many thanks in > advance. > Royal Society scientific discussion meeting announcement > Synthetic Biology - Monday 2 ? Tuesday 3 June 2008 > Organised by Professor Brian Spratt FRS (Imperial College London), Dr > Jason Chin (University of Cambridge), Professor Richard Kitney (Imperial > College London) and Professor Paul Freemont (Imperial College London) > > Synopsis: > Synthetic biology has been described as the design and construction of > novel artificial biological pathways, organisms or devices, or the redesign > of existing natural biological systems. > > It has developed from the convergence of other disciplines such as systems > biology, genetic engineering, engineering, information theory, physics, > nanotechnologies and computer modelling. > This meeting will discuss advances and applications of this exciting > technology. > Speakers include: > Dr Jason Chin, Professor Martin Fussenegger, Professor Phil Holliger, Dr > Farren Isaacs, Professor Jay D. Keasling, Professor Alex Ninfa, Professor > Steve Oliver, Dr Georg Seelig, Professor Pamela Silver, Dr Danielle > Tullman-Ercek, Professor Hans Westerhoff and Dr Lingchong You > > Registration: > The meeting is free to attend but pre-registration online is essential. > The online registration form and programme is available at > www.royalsociety.org/events > > > Kind regards > > > _______________________________________________ > Oww-Feedback mailing list > Oww-Feedback at mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-feedback > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > discuss at openwetware.org > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080418/c23aaa34/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 10:48:43 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:48:43 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Fwd: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) In-Reply-To: <26428aaa0804180720w560b7c78s556482c5e2e0a9db@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080418131235.D37A03D2094@mail.openwetware.org> <26428aaa0804180706y3dec74fcj698cb66f2c436a4f@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804180720w560b7c78s556482c5e2e0a9db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804180748p107b8085w818e8b094f3ba0f9@mail.gmail.com> I borrowed the RSS class we use to generate our daily and monthly RSS feeds as the basis for a simple extension to grab the content of the calendar events. I have a meeting and a lot of other things to do today but when I have a little time, I'll post an example of this kind of RSS feed. We could generalize this so that we can have an RSS feed generated for any calendar. That would mean people can "subscribe" to each other's lab notebooks and keep abreast of any updates to it. In the spirit of reciprocity, it might be useful to think about how a person hosting such a list would know how much activity was present on their RSS feed. This is clearly not an original idea: blogs have been doing it for a long time. But it would be nice to think about how this could be tracked. We could do it via Feedburner: publish all RSS feeds that way. The advantage of this would be that the data would be disseminated via Google to a lot of people. OK. Sorry to be so verbose today. B. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Bill F wrote: > If there was an RSS feed to accompany the calendar, it could also be > pretty useful. Too bad the current calendar extension doesn't "know" about > how to generate an RSS feed. If it did, this would work for lab notebooks as > well as the event calendar. > > Hmm... > > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Bill F wrote: > > > This message is great content for an OWW "coming events" section, > > something we don't really have. Boy.. we could even schedule out monthly > > meetings using it... it could be a great resource for people looking for > > info on biological or lab science events in their area... maybe it would be > > a resource others would come to rely upon.... > > > > Nah... > > > > > > Maybe... > > > > We can use the Calendar extension to create one. > > > > An event might look something like this... (now in place but subject to > > change) > > > > [[Event:Events By Date/2008/06/03|Royal Society Meeting: Future of > > Synthetic Biology in the UK]] > > > > Please push it around and see if anyone can do anything less geeky that > > I would do with the design. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: OpenWetWare Feedback Form on OpenWetWare > > > > Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM > > Subject: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) > > To: Oww-Feedback > > > > > > Dear colleague, > > > > The Royal Society is planning a seminal discussion meeting on Synthetic > > Biology to discuss the future of this emerging area in the UK. The > > programme is being organised by Professor Brian Spratt FRS, Dr Jason Chin, > > Professor Richard Kitney and Professor Paul Freemont and will be held at the > > Royal Society in London on Monday 2 and Tuesday 3 June 2008. > > > > The meeting aims to capture the recent developments in this rapidly > > developing field and to look at potential applications of synthetic biology. > > The meeting should help to clarify the wider issues associated with > > synthetic biology and how these might be addressed. We anticipate this > > being a very popular meeting. > > A report of the meeting will be produced by the programme organising > > committee that will capture the major developments, applications and issues > > identified at the discussion meeting. > > We would be grateful if you could distribute this information and list > > it on your department website, if you think appropriate. Many thanks in > > advance. > > Royal Society scientific discussion meeting announcement > > Synthetic Biology - Monday 2 ? Tuesday 3 June 2008 > > Organised by Professor Brian Spratt FRS (Imperial College London), Dr > > Jason Chin (University of Cambridge), Professor Richard Kitney (Imperial > > College London) and Professor Paul Freemont (Imperial College London) > > > > Synopsis: > > Synthetic biology has been described as the design and construction of > > novel artificial biological pathways, organisms or devices, or the redesign > > of existing natural biological systems. > > > > It has developed from the convergence of other disciplines such as > > systems biology, genetic engineering, engineering, information theory, > > physics, nanotechnologies and computer modelling. > > This meeting will discuss advances and applications of this exciting > > technology. > > Speakers include: > > Dr Jason Chin, Professor Martin Fussenegger, Professor Phil Holliger, Dr > > Farren Isaacs, Professor Jay D. Keasling, Professor Alex Ninfa, Professor > > Steve Oliver, Dr Georg Seelig, Professor Pamela Silver, Dr Danielle > > Tullman-Ercek, Professor Hans Westerhoff and Dr Lingchong You > > > > Registration: > > The meeting is free to attend but pre-registration online is essential. > > The online registration form and programme is available at > > www.royalsociety.org/events > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oww-Feedback mailing list > > Oww-Feedback at mit.edu > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-feedback > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > discuss at openwetware.org > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080418/31610a2a/attachment.htm From jason.p.morrison at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 12:32:00 2008 From: jason.p.morrison at gmail.com (Jason Morrison) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Fwd: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) In-Reply-To: <26428aaa0804180748p107b8085w818e8b094f3ba0f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080418131235.D37A03D2094@mail.openwetware.org> <26428aaa0804180706y3dec74fcj698cb66f2c436a4f@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804180720w560b7c78s556482c5e2e0a9db@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804180748p107b8085w818e8b094f3ba0f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ba0586d0804180932h938f505p2027a26bdd25f074@mail.gmail.com> First off, great stuff on RSSing the calendars! > In the spirit of reciprocity, it might be useful to think about how a > person hosting such a list would know how much activity was present on their > RSS feed. This is clearly not an original idea: blogs have been doing it for > a long time. But it would be nice to think about how this could be tracked. > We could do it via Feedburner: publish all RSS feeds that way. The advantage > of this would be that the data would be disseminated via Google to a lot of > people. This would be great, too! It'd be *really* great if this could be integrated (so a lab doesn't have to go sign up for FeedBurner themselves, etc.), and I notice that FeedBurner's "Total Stat PRO" service is now free ( http://code.google.com/apis/feedburner/101_flares.html). Hmm.... looks like you can definitely get the statistics via their API... see idea #52 on http://code.google.com/apis/feedburner/101_flares.html. OK. Sorry to be so verbose today. Maybe I'm the only one... but I think it's great to hear about OWW development ideas! :) Jason -- Jason Morrison jason.p.morrison at gmail.com http://jayunit.net (585) 216-5657 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080418/4a34e610/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 13:58:35 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:58:35 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Fwd: [Oww-Feedback] Contact us. (from The Royal Society) In-Reply-To: <8ba0586d0804180932h938f505p2027a26bdd25f074@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080418131235.D37A03D2094@mail.openwetware.org> <26428aaa0804180706y3dec74fcj698cb66f2c436a4f@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804180720w560b7c78s556482c5e2e0a9db@mail.gmail.com> <26428aaa0804180748p107b8085w818e8b094f3ba0f9@mail.gmail.com> <8ba0586d0804180932h938f505p2027a26bdd25f074@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804181058x4249f677uea6e305ded30595c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Jason. That's great to hear. I like the feedburner approach. We already are exposing all of our existing blogs to feedburner via a combination of the Wordpress RSS/feedburner support and out having registered the appropriate openwetware.org DNS support with Feedburner. Using a similar route, we can configure any RSS feed as 'feedburner-aware'. We can also publish the same (or pretty similar) information as either hcalendar or ical calendar formats. This allows for publishing the information to other calendar and scheduling tools. This isn't an either-or choice. The support can be parameterized using a parameter in the calendar tag. Since the calendar is dynamic (to some degree), the specific options can change over time. For something like the Event:... calendar, it makes a lot of sense to publish wide, thus via Feedburner. But for other cases, such as a personal notebook, making it a little less public may be desirable. I'm not sure if this will always be the case. By making it easy to change and modify, it can change over time. Let me look into Feedburner to see how much we would need to do to publish through them as an option. I really appreciate your comments. B. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Jason Morrison wrote: > First off, great stuff on RSSing the calendars! > > > In the spirit of reciprocity, it might be useful to think about how a > > person hosting such a list would know how much activity was present on their > > RSS feed. This is clearly not an original idea: blogs have been doing it for > > a long time. But it would be nice to think about how this could be tracked. > > We could do it via Feedburner: publish all RSS feeds that way. The advantage > > of this would be that the data would be disseminated via Google to a lot of > > people. > > > This would be great, too! It'd be *really* great if this could be > integrated (so a lab doesn't have to go sign up for FeedBurner themselves, > etc.), and I notice that FeedBurner's "Total Stat PRO" service is now free ( > http://code.google.com/apis/feedburner/101_flares.html). > > Hmm.... looks like you can definitely get the statistics via their API... > see idea #52 on http://code.google.com/apis/feedburner/101_flares.html. > > OK. Sorry to be so verbose today. > > > Maybe I'm the only one... but I think it's great to hear about OWW > development ideas! :) > > Jason > > > > > -- > Jason Morrison > jason.p.morrison at gmail.com > http://jayunit.net > (585) 216-5657 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Subject: SPECIAL OFFERS#535168(Pharmacy Online April Sale 70%) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Size: 1912 Url: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080418/90966575/attachment.eml From bill.altmail at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 11:58:27 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:58:27 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] OWW is down... In-Reply-To: <6ac0a26a0804210746m7f60e6e3pea8633573f5d47aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ac0a26a0804210746m7f60e6e3pea8633573f5d47aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804210858j746ca9ep191146f6cae4d73e@mail.gmail.com> OWW is back online with no loss of data. I'll post a message to let all know. The problem was a 'soft-disk' crash: there was no hardware problem. That's why nobody at Rackspace saw the problem. We'll review the log files to find out exactly what was to blame. No data was lost; there was no need to reload backups. Thanks. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Lorrie LeJeune wrote: > OWW is down. Rackspace says it's a hard disk problem on their end, and > Bill is in contact with them. > > We'll send an update as soon as we know more. > > --Lorrie > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080421/fca39bb6/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 09:21:58 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:21:58 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] OWW down In-Reply-To: <9EC3C310-F095-44D7-8BC8-B8B5A7D26ABF@younglucks.com> References: <9EC3C310-F095-44D7-8BC8-B8B5A7D26ABF@younglucks.com> Message-ID: <26428aaa0804210621s1821300erda507e0f3b630d64@mail.gmail.com> FYI: As you may be aware, OpenWetWare is dead. There's a serious disk problem. I have not been on the system since last night. If anyone can tell me the last time you viewed the site, I'd be appreciative. Rackspace is investigating. They are looking at the physical server since there's no way they can connect to it from the data center. udging from what I can see, the system wasn't taken off line: it went down with a software (disk-related) crash. It seems to be a hard disk crash that has taken out at least one of the major volumes. We have good backups but, until Rackspace gets done with their diagnosis, we can't be sure what the problem is. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Julius B. Lucks wrote: > Yo guys, > > FYI - OWW is currently down. About to send everyone there in about 2.5 > hours during the open science workshop!!!! > > Julius > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please Reply to My Permanent Address: julius at younglucks.com > http://www.openwetware.org/wiki/User:Julius_B._Lucks > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080421/5f46ffdb/attachment.htm From kanzure at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 19:59:49 2008 From: kanzure at gmail.com (Bryan Bishop) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:59:49 -0500 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Pubget is like Pubmed, except you get the PDFs right away In-Reply-To: <213fc43b0804170902x7b844a9ak59f9621528bf7658@mail.gmail.com> References: <213fc43b0804170902x7b844a9ak59f9621528bf7658@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200804211859.49928.kanzure@gmail.com> On Thursday 17 April 2008, Ricardo Vidal wrote: > Thought this might be of interest and usefulness: > http://pubget.com/site/search I am running a project that is similar in nature, except on the command line, since nobody likes to click around and do things that could otherwise be automated. I was wondering if anybody here might be interested in it: http://heybryan.org/projects/autoscholar/ - Bryan ________________________________________ http://heybryan.org/ From austin at csail.mit.edu Tue Apr 22 08:38:20 2008 From: austin at csail.mit.edu (Austin Che) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:38:20 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] slashdotted In-Reply-To: <7c085c480804212132u30b4a00v6b0da8f99af28f2a@mail.gmail.com> (Jason Kelly's message of "Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:32:40 -0400") References: <7c085c480804212132u30b4a00v6b0da8f99af28f2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87abjmt683.fsf@nitsua.mit.edu> "Jason Kelly" wrote: > http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/04/22/0041232.shtml Seems our server is handling Slashdot better than the previous web crawler. It's an interesting discussion with some people saying open science is the greatest thing and some saying that it'd never work. If anyone feels so inclined to jump in and defend oww, go right ahead... -- Austin Che (617)253-5899 From wjf42 at MIT.EDU Wed Apr 23 16:59:16 2008 From: wjf42 at MIT.EDU (Bill Flanagan) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:59:16 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] 5:00 PM 4/23 usercount: now at 3996. Message-ID: <26428aaa0804231359s1c260dd3sc7c2e37f2dd967ae@mail.gmail.com> I'll let you all know when we hit 4000, and who the person is. B. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080423/be0ed625/attachment.htm From kanzure at gmail.com Wed Apr 23 18:05:53 2008 From: kanzure at gmail.com (Bryan Bishop) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:05:53 -0500 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Biohacking podcast? Message-ID: <200804231705.53762.kanzure@gmail.com> James, Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I will be starting periodic videos within a few months and would enjoy talking with you or into a podcast on those subjects (synbio, diy gen-engineering, etc.). You may be interested in joining some of the websites like diybio.org, biohack.sf.net, oww, biopunk, synbio, etc. I have a list of relevant mailing lists as well: http://heybryan.org/mailing_lists.html There are some others interested in doing this at the same time, so perhaps a gateway for aggregating our videos and podcasts, maybe through dnatube or jove, might prove generally useful. - Bryan ________________________________________ http://heybryan.org/ From johncumbers at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 09:31:26 2008 From: johncumbers at gmail.com (John Cumbers) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:31:26 +0100 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Second Life (?) Steering committee next week, Thu May 1st, Noon EST details to follow... Message-ID: Hi all, No action hour today, and we're already at the next steering committee meeting next week: Thu May 1st, Noon EST details to follow...please send anything you'd like to see on the agenda. I've had a proposal to hold the next meeting in Second Life (!) any thoughts or comments for or against? cheers, John -- John Cumbers, Graduate Student Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080424/3cf8e3ec/attachment.htm From bill.altmail at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 10:17:21 2008 From: bill.altmail at gmail.com (Bill F) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:17:21 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] We hit 4000. Message-ID: <26428aaa0804240717o6f845584mb4761c185030f869@mail.gmail.com> Khaleelur Rahman is the 4000th member. We're already at 4002. Congratulations to all the people who worked so long to make this happen. We'll make a Steering Committee posting about it in a bit. We're picking up a LOT of new members as a result of the recent press and web coverage. B.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080424/95eeee81/attachment.htm From rvidal at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 11:31:52 2008 From: rvidal at gmail.com (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:31:52 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Second Life (?) Steering committee next week, Thu May 1st, Noon EST details to follow... In-Reply-To: <26428aaa0804240710s2b4e9b7bn8befa50c767c4cd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804240710s2b4e9b7bn8befa50c767c4cd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <213fc43b0804240831s189cbcfeheff625b4a23d2d5c@mail.gmail.com> My laptop has an ATI graphics card that for some reason isn't supported. So, no SL for me. R On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Bill F wrote: > Hmmm... Just what we need. > > Consider this equation. > > (Science 2.0) x (Second life) = (too square life-science)? > > > I just upgraded my daughter's computer do she can be even more > Sims-pathetic. I want her to know a little re: first life before she > avatar-vistically vanishes due to a network reboot of Windows 2021. > > Here's a great report covering the first congressional Second-Life hearing > (NOT herring) re: Second Life from The Daily Show a few weeks back.... > > > http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=165604&title=avatar-heroes > > We need Jason's avatar doing a miniprep protocol demo. The real issue is > that the feather boa may be flammable. > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:31 AM, John Cumbers > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> No action hour today, and we're already at the next steering committee >> meeting next week: Thu May 1st, Noon EST details to follow...please send >> anything you'd like to see on the agenda. I've had a proposal to hold the >> next meeting in Second Life (!) any thoughts or comments for or against? >> >> cheers, >> John >> >> >> -- >> John Cumbers, Graduate Student >> Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry >> Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W >> Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA >> Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 >> >> Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room >> 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List >> discuss at openwetware.org >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss >> >> > -- Ricardo Vidal rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/oww-discuss/attachments/20080424/e3368b71/attachment.htm From jasonk at MIT.EDU Thu Apr 24 19:11:20 2008 From: jasonk at MIT.EDU (Jason Kelly) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:11:20 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Second Life (?) Steering committee next week, Thu May 1st, Noon EST details to follow... In-Reply-To: <213fc43b0804240831s189cbcfeheff625b4a23d2d5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <26428aaa0804240710s2b4e9b7bn8befa50c767c4cd5@mail.gmail.com> <213fc43b0804240831s189cbcfeheff625b4a23d2d5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c085c480804241611g7ef8be40ub5ff348b6ce28707@mail.gmail.com> I find SL to be pretty clunky for actually communicating, but maybe that's just me. Also if someone catches you using it it's pretty embarrassing ;) jason On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Ricardo Vidal wrote: > My laptop has an ATI graphics card that for some reason isn't supported. So, > no SL for me. > > R > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Bill F wrote: > > > Hmmm... Just what we need. > > > > Consider this equation. > > > > (Science 2.0) x (Second life) = (too square life-science)? > > > > > > I just upgraded my daughter's computer do she can be even more > Sims-pathetic. I want her to know a little re: first life before she > avatar-vistically vanishes due to a network reboot of Windows 2021. > > > > Here's a great report covering the first congressional Second-Life hearing > (NOT herring) re: Second Life from The Daily Show a few weeks back.... > > > > > http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=165604&title=avatar-heroes > > > > We need Jason's avatar doing a miniprep protocol demo. The real issue is > that the feather boa may be flammable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:31 AM, John Cumbers > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > No action hour today, and we're already at the next steering committee > meeting next week: Thu May 1st, Noon EST details to follow...please send > anything you'd like to see on the agenda. I've had a proposal to hold the > next meeting in Second Life (!) any thoughts or comments for or against? > > > > > > cheers, > > > John > > > > > > > > > -- > > > John Cumbers, Graduate Student > > > Molecular Biology, Cell Biology, and Biochemistry > > > Biology and Medicine, Brown University, Box G-W > > > Providence, Rhode Island, 02912, USA > > > Tel USA: +1 401 523 8190, Fax: +1 401 863-2166, UK to USA: 0207 617 7824 > > > > > > Delivery address: Brown University (EEB) Biomed Stock Room > > > 34 OLIVE ST, Providence, RI 02912 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenWetWare Discussion Mailing List > > > discuss at openwetware.org > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/oww-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ricardo Vidal > rvidal at gmail.com | http://my.biotechlife.net > http://www.openwetware.org - Share your Science From rvidal at openwetware.org Fri Apr 25 11:36:46 2008 From: rvidal at openwetware.org (Ricardo Vidal) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:36:46 -0400 Subject: [OWW-Discuss] Happy DNA Day Message-ID: <213fc43b0804250836p4df70af8xf5cec94a0f05cb92@mail.gmail.com> For anyone that didn't know, today is DNA Day http://www.genome.gov/DNADay/ Ricardo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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