<html><head></head><body><div><div><div><div class="">Hi Keith,<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>Sorry about it. We use Mosh as a protocol name. We will adjust the copy so it will be more clear.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>Could you share with me examples of support requests? As we might help with them.<br/></div><div><br/></div><div>Btw, would you be willing to put Termius on your website as the app that supports Mosh across all platforms(Mac, Win, Linux, iOS, and Android)?</div></div><div><div style="display: none; border: 0px; width: 0px; height: 0px; overflow: hidden; visibility: hidden;"><img src="https://r.superhuman.com/sMRkP_-8ZQ50C8h6HPH3j9UGnGj048nnV2k1X_sZuScmUb5Fr48aPND1l2T1IeBYdn5SajZe1ebZ9_3DKw67O9vH2kWbfjELil_QpykCyRMX3md7QBXloe6OUzhgm71SAsj4ngibt9x0j6FhyaXjS74GLIhvKW0YLzIPcKj5fBmmvhCyvbI.gif" alt=" " width="1" height="0" style="display: none; border: 0px; width: 0px; height: 0px; overflow: hidden; visibility: hidden;"/><!-- --></div><br/><div class="gmail_signature"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Regards,<div>Roman Kudiyarov</div><div>CEO - <a href="http://termius.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">termius.com</a></div></div></div></div></div><br/></div></div><br/><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 4:40 AM, Keith Winstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:keithw@cs.stanford.edu" target="_blank">keithw@cs.stanford.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br/><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">Hello Roman,</div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">In 2017 in this thread, we requested, and you agreed, that your company would stop using "Mosh" to refer to Termius, and use a phrase like "Mosh-compatible" if you want to explain its ability to interoperate with mosh-server. (You have told us that Termius is a clean-room implementation unrelated to the Mosh codebase.) Despite this, you are still using "Mosh" in your marketing (<a href="https://www.termius.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">https:/<wbr/>/<wbr/>www.<wbr/>termius.<wbr/>com/<wbr/></a>) and perhaps in your product.</div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">This is continuing to confuse your users, resulting in a continuing support burden on us.<br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">Stop using "Mosh." It is a registered trademark referring to our software. Please let us know when this is done.<br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div>-Keith<br/></div><br/><div class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="gmail_attr sh-color-black sh-color" dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:12 PM Roman Kudiyarov <<a href="mailto:roman@termius.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">roman@<wbr/>termius.<wbr/>com</a>> wrote:<br/></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Hi Keith,</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div> <br/><p class="sh-color-black sh-color">On 9 August 2017 at 11:51:44 AM, Keith Winstein (<a href="mailto:keithw@cs.stanford.edu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">keithw@<wbr/>cs.<wbr/>stanford.<wbr/>edu</a>) wrote:</p> <div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" type="cite" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Roman,<div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">In early May, we had this exchange (also below in this thread). I wrote:</div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color">(3) We've had bad experiences in the past with people (especially iSSH on iOS) attempting to implement the Mosh protocol, but with imperfect results, and users blaming Mosh for the problems. As with these past cases, please don't refer to your implementation as "Mosh." Please refer to it as "Termius mosh-compatible mode," with your own name first and "mosh-compatible" instead of "Mosh".</blockquote><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">You replied:</div><br/><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color">Sure, no problem. We will make sure that it’s mentioned as "mosh-compatible”.</blockquote></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">We expect your company to honor this agreement -- do you plan to do so?</div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" type="cite" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">I'm happy to explain our position further, and maybe you can understand why this is important to us. Mosh is a piece of software, like OpenSSH or Chrome. The protocol is called SSP (State Synchronization Protocol). You have told us that your program is not derived from Mosh, so we really don't want your company to call it Mosh. It's nothing personal -- but users are better served knowing the difference. We had a bad experience with somebody writing what they thought was a compatible implementation, and users getting confused and blaming us. So we don't want users to think they are running Mosh when they are running somebody else's application.</div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">We would be fine with you making statements like, "Termius is mosh-compatible" or "Termius has a mosh-compatible client" or even "Termius works with Mosh servers." They key thing here is that it's fine for Termius to claim mosh-compatibility, or to work *with* Mosh servers. It shouldn't claim to *be* or to include Mosh, because it doesn't.</div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">Yes, the text "SSH, Telnet, and Mosh in your pocket" and "... with SSH, Telnet, and Mosh." appears on your current website,<span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span><a href="https://termius.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">https:/<wbr/>/<wbr/>termius.<wbr/>com</a>. You can visit it yourself to see.</div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><p class="sh-color-black sh-color">Thanks for your answer. I see your point.Please don’t worry about the support as we doing it ourselves. We have Mosh integrated into iOS and Android with around 500,000 users combined. At the moment we can see quite a big adoption of Mosh and some user requests in our Helpdesk system. At the same time I can see none of those in this mailing list.</p><p class="sh-color-black sh-color">I believe that the idea/concept of Mosh is much bigger than it’s first implementation under the GPL license. The GPL license makes it’s hard to use in commercial apps so there will be more alternative and/or closed-sourced implementations of the protocol which most of the users call Mosh(not SSP). </p><p class="sh-color-black sh-color">One of the solutions I can see is to name the current implementation Open Mosh and keep the name mosh for the protocol.</p><p class="sh-color-black sh-color">Another topic that I would like to raise is the protocol collaboration so Termius can keep up with the new versions of the Mosh server and release updates together with other platforms. That would definitely benefits the users. </p><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" type="cite" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/><br/></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color">-Keith</div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div class="gmail_extra sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color">On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Roman Kudiyarov<span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span><span dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><<a href="mailto:roman@termius.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">roman@<wbr/>termius.<wbr/>com</a>></span><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span>wrote:<br/><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Hi Keith,</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Could you please point me where “Mosh in your pocket” is. Honestly I can’t find it. Btw, we’ve recently updated both of our websites so you might refer to the old version.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">In terms of the naming, there are two entities called MOSH:</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">1.<span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span><b class="sh-color-black sh-color">Mosh protocol</b>. Termius is keen to participate in the discussion of the protocol development. We have some thoughts on improving UX, e.g live sessions for quick switch between devices.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">2.<span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span><b class="sh-color-black sh-color">Server and client implementation</b><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span>of the protocol which is available on GitHub. </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">In general, I find mosh-compatible pretty long and a little bit confusing as it’s just a proprietary implementation of the mosh protocol, e.g. there are many implementation of the SSH protocol. In addition, we can’t fit in in Apple App Store description, e.g. Termius - SSH, Mosh-compatible and Telnet client.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">In terms of the support requests, we are subscribed to the mosh-devel channel and happy with answering questions related to our implementation. Btw, we have UserVoice integrated into our apps so we see most of the requests right there. </div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/><p class="sh-color-black sh-color">On 7 August 2017 at 7:48:41 PM, Keith Winstein (<a href="mailto:keithw@cs.stanford.edu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">keithw@<wbr/>cs.<wbr/>stanford.<wbr/>edu</a>) wrote:</p><blockquote type="cite" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">Hello Roman,</span><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">As we requested earlier (below in this thread), could you please refer to your software as "mosh-compatible" instead of calling it a mosh client (or "Mosh in your pocket" as is on your website now)?</span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">Thank you,</span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">Keith</span></div><div class="gmail_extra sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></span><div class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Roman Kudiyarov<span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span><span dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><<a href="mailto:roman@termius.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">roman@<wbr/>termius.<wbr/>com</a>></span><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span>wrote:<br/></span><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Hi there!</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">I’m glad to announce that Termius is a free mosh client for iOS and Android. At the moment we are working on a version for Mac, Windows and Linux.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">I wonder if it is possible to put a link to termius website from<span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span><a href="http://mosh.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">mosh.<wbr/>org</a> so end users have more options to pick up from.</div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/><p class="sh-color-black sh-color">On 4 May 2017 at 4:46:24 PM, Keith Winstein (<a href="mailto:keithw@cs.stanford.edu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">keithw@<wbr/>cs.<wbr/>stanford.<wbr/>edu</a>) wrote:</p><blockquote type="cite" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">Hello Roman,</span><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">Okay, but if we can't see your code, we don't have a good way to start to know if your implementation is "fully compatible" with Mosh (it's not like we have a compatibility test suite for new binary implementations). If you didn't implement it with clean-room approach and were referencing the Mosh code as you wrote your own implementation, we can't tell you if your program is a derivative of Mosh or not. I do appreciate your kind words about Mosh.</span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">Sincerely,</span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">Keith<br/></span></div><div class="gmail_extra sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></span><div class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Roman Kudiyarov<span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span><span dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><<a href="mailto:roman@termius.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">roman@<wbr/>termius.<wbr/>com</a>></span><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span>wrote:<br/></span><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Hi Keith!</div><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></span><p class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">On 2 May 2017 at 6:40:20 AM, Keith Winstein (<a href="mailto:keithw@cs.stanford.edu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">keithw@<wbr/>cs.<wbr/>stanford.<wbr/>edu</a>) wrote:</span></p><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" type="cite" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">Thanks for letting us know!</span><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">(1) Could you please describe the process you used to develop a clean-room implementation of the Mosh protocol? Did you write up a protocol specification based on the Mosh source code, and then have somebody else implement the spec? If so, would you be willing to share the protocol spec?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="sh-color-black sh-color">Writing the spec would be ideal scenario but we just used the original source code to learn the protocol and developed our own implementation from scratch using different set of libraries and frameworks. </p><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" type="cite" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/><br/></span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">(2) Is the source code of your implementation available?</span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="sh-color-black sh-color">We are not sure about making it open-source as we are going to use as our competitive advantage and we’ve invested quite a lot of time to get to this point.</p><p class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></p><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" type="cite" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/><br/></span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">(3) We've had bad experiences in the past with people (especially iSSH on iOS) attempting to implement the Mosh protocol, but with imperfect results, and users blaming Mosh for the problems. As with these past cases, please don't refer to your implementation as "Mosh." Please refer to it as "Termius mosh-compatible mode," with your own name first and "mosh-compatible" instead of "Mosh".</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="sh-color-black sh-color">Sure, no problem. We will make sure that it’s mentioned as "mosh-compatible”.</p><p class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></span></p><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" type="cite" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/><br/></span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">Regards,</span></div><div class="sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">Keith<br/></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></span><div class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color"><span class="sh-color-black sh-color">On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Roman Kudiyarov<span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span><span dir="ltr" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><<a href="mailto:roman@termius.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">roman@<wbr/>termius.<wbr/>com</a>></span><span class="sh-color-black sh-color"> </span>wrote:<br/></span><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Hi all!</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">I’m a co-founder of Crystalnix. We work on Termius, cross-platform SSH client (iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux and Chrome). Now we have around 200K of monthly users! Our team aims to redesign command line UX from scratch. Your team has done an amazing job with the mosh protocol which was one of the most desired features that our users have been asking for.</div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">We had to develop our own mosh client(completely different code-base) due to the license restrictions. Anyway our code is fully compatible with the current version of the mosh server. Very shortly we are launching beta for Android and then will roll out to other platforms as well. </div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">That means that this amazing technology(mosh) will be available for huge user base for free!</div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">I just wanted to share those news and say thank you for the job you’ve done! </div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Please let me know if you have any questions!</div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color"><br/></div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Kind Regards,</div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Roman Kudiyarov</div><div style="margin:0px" id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" class="sh-color-black sh-color">Termius Team</div></div><div id="gmail-m_-8691201133743123902gmail-m_3121597808326321571gmail-m_-191051467724218674gmail-m_1037296637140099253m_-8274731571144910844m_7031511879773008977m_-5365581810703195717m_-6022914691922614983m_8144724116228518941m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_sign_1493591181997020928" class="sh-color-black sh-color"></div></div><br/>_______________________________________________<br/>mosh-devel mailing list<br/><a href="mailto:mosh-devel@mit.edu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">mosh-devel@<wbr/>mit.<wbr/>edu</a><br/><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/mosh-devel" target="_blank" class="sh-color-blue sh-color">http:/<wbr/>/<wbr/>mailman.<wbr/>mit.<wbr/>edu/<wbr/>mailman/<wbr/>listinfo/<wbr/>mosh-devel</a></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><br/></div></div></body></html>