<div dir="ltr">Hello Roman,<div><br></div><div>Okay, but if we can't see your code, we don't have a good way to start to know if your implementation is "fully compatible" with Mosh (it's not like we have a compatibility test suite for new binary implementations). If you didn't implement it with clean-room approach and were referencing the Mosh code as you wrote your own implementation, we can't tell you if your program is a derivative of Mosh or not. I do appreciate your kind words about Mosh.</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div>Keith<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Roman Kudiyarov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roman@termius.com" target="_blank">roman@termius.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Hi Keith!</div><span> <br><p class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465airmail_on">On 2 May 2017 at 6:40:20 AM, Keith Winstein (<a href="mailto:keithw@cs.stanford.edu" target="_blank">keithw@cs.stanford.edu</a>) wrote:</p> <div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465clean_bq" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span><div><div></div><div><div dir="ltr">Thanks for letting us know!<div><br></div><div>(1) Could you please describe the process you used to develop a clean-room implementation of the Mosh protocol? Did you write up a protocol specification based on the Mosh source code, and then have somebody else implement the spec? If so, would you be willing to share the protocol spec?</div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div></span><p>Writing the spec would be ideal scenario but we just used the original source code to learn the protocol and developed our own implementation from scratch using different set of libraries and frameworks. </p><div><span><div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465clean_bq" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465Apple-interchange-newline"><br></div><div><div>(2) Is the source code of your implementation available?</div></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div></span><p>We are not sure about making it open-source as we are going to use as our competitive advantage and we’ve invested quite a lot of time to get to this point.</p><p><br></p><div><span><div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465clean_bq" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465Apple-interchange-newline"><br></div><div>(3) We've had bad experiences in the past with people (especially iSSH on iOS) attempting to implement the Mosh protocol, but with imperfect results, and users blaming Mosh for the problems. As with these past cases, please don't refer to your implementation as "Mosh." Please refer to it as "Termius mosh-compatible mode," with your own name first and "mosh-compatible" instead of "Mosh".</div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div></span><p>Sure, no problem. We will make sure that it’s mentioned as "mosh-compatible”.</p><span><p><br></p><div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465clean_bq" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465Apple-interchange-newline"><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Keith<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Roman Kudiyarov<span class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roman@termius.com" target="_blank">roman@termius.com</a>></span><span class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465Apple-converted-space"> </span><wbr>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px">Hi all!</div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px">I’m a co-founder of Crystalnix. We work on Termius, cross-platform SSH client (iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux and Chrome). Now we have around 200K of monthly users! Our team aims to redesign command line UX from scratch. Your team has done an amazing job with the mosh protocol which was one of the most desired features that our users have been asking for.</div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px">We had to develop our own mosh client(completely different code-base) due to the license restrictions. Anyway our code is fully compatible with the current version of the mosh server. Very shortly we are launching beta for Android and then will roll out to other platforms as well. </div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px">That means that this amazing technology(mosh) will be available for huge user base for free!</div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px">I just wanted to share those news and say thank you for the job you’ve done! </div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px">Please let me know if you have any questions!</div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px">Kind Regards,</div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px">Roman Kudiyarov</div><div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_customfont" style="margin:0px">Termius Team</div></div><div class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_sign" id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465m_8066251359462494032bloop_sign_1493591181997020928"></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>mosh-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:mosh-devel@mit.edu" target="_blank">mosh-devel@mit.edu</a><br><a href="http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/mosh-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman<wbr>/listinfo/mosh-devel</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></span></blockquote><br class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div><br class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465Apple-interchange-newline"></div> <div id="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465bloop_sign_1493861664625181952" class="m_-8138152759197452632m_-7236311359304337553m_-3892326203079903809m_1285917222321283465bloop_sign"></div></div>
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