<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Duncan Kincaid wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">OpenAFS worked quite well in Panther (though still cumbersome to set up owing to need for matching Mac OS UIDs and Athena UIDs and NO Finder GUI for listing and setting ACLs, and Finder Error -32 whenever copying/deleting files from across cells).</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px Lucida Grande; min-height: 13.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">OpenAFS works noticeably less well under Tiger. Same problems as above but with occasional kernel panics thrown in.</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px Lucida Grande; min-height: 13.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">I am encouraged by Al's note. Last I heard from an Apple engineer at a MacPartner's meeting: AFS is of little interest to Apple ("small static space--limited to higher education") and so Apple will not spend any significant resources on it.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I've talked to Apple folks extensively about this issue; I'd phrase it as they can't justify devoting the engineering resources required to integrate AFS support into the operating system for a smallish number of customers. And while they understand the virtues of AFS, most of their customers are using other network file systems such as NFS, SBM/CIFS, etc. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The fact that AFS broke under Tiger certainly did get people's attention. The plan going forward (as I understand it) is to add the APIs necessary to allow OpenAFS to work more smoothly with future versions of Mac OS X. So while Apple may not add official support for AFS, it'll work with the right people to ensure it doesn't break either. If you think about it, if both Apple and the OpenAFS do what they are supposed to, AFS will just work and it won't matter that Apple doesn't "officially" support AFS.</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px Lucida Grande; min-height: 13.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">Meanwhile MIT seems to be devoting more resources toward DFS... and no support for DFS (to say nothing of seamless integration) on Mac platform. Most recently they silently shutdown AFS services on their Citrix servers which killed us, as 46% of our users (Mac Users) could no longer access course lockers from their ArcGIS Citrix session.... making ArcGIS on Citrix perfectly useless.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Apple knows about the desire for DFS support--trust me. I suspect we'll here something about it when Leopard ships.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px Lucida Grande; min-height: 13.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">I suspect IS&T need reconsider their infrastructure plans (eg file services and printing) in light of growing Macintosh presence on campus.</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">Of course if our department's large mac user base (46% student, 76% faculty and staff) is an anomaly, then no such need.</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px Lucida Grande; min-height: 13.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">thanks</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">dk</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>Going forward, I believe we'll have a more flexible infrastructure in place that will enable easier use of file and print services across all platforms, including the Mac.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> -- Al</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">______________________________</FONT></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">Albert Willis</FONT></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">Macintosh Platform Coordinator - Software Release Team</FONT></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">Client Support Services</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">Information Services and Technology</FONT></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande">Massachusetts Institute of Technology</FONT></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Lucida Grande" size="3" style="font: 11.0px Lucida Grande"><A href="mailto:awillis@mit.edu">awillis@mit.edu</A></FONT></P><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>