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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I normally would not get involved in an
e-mail thread like this… but given that our office is directly involved
with the computation of the overhead rate, I thought I would just offer a few
numbers to educate folks on where all that F&A goes. Overhead is now
referred to as Facilities and Administration (F&A) and the following is the
breakdown of the “F” piece and the “A” piece of F&A.
</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Attached is a PDF file that illustrates
the following:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Based on FY03 data, for every dollar we
spend on research:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>69 cents goes to the direct cost of research.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>31 cents goes to the F&A costs
associated with research.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Of that 31 cents, the “F”
piece of F&A is broken down as:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>8 cents goes to operation and maintenance</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>3 cents goes towards equipment</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>4 cents goes towards utilities</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>5 cents goes towards buildings</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2 cents goes towards libraries</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That’s a total of 22 cents of the 31
cents that directly supports the research endeavor here at MIT. Surely
your researches expect the buildings to have water, electricity, heat, air conditioning
and expect the facilities to be maintained, the restrooms cleaned, the grass
cut and the snow removed. I also believe the researchers desire well run
and well maintained libraries.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The remaining 9 cents of the overhead,
goes towards the “A” piece of F&A:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>4 cents to general administration (Dean’s
offices, Provost, President, etc)</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1 cent to departmental administration (the
budget to run the various DLCs on campus that enroll your students and process
your payroll transactions)</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2 cents to faculty (we pay the faculty
salaries from institute funds even when they are working on federal research
projects)</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And the last 2 cents for all other administration
which includes IS&T, OSP, Payroll, Controller’s office, etc</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So your “</span></font>hard earned
money that [you] spend on the so called "MIT overhead"<font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>” really supports the research enterprise and isn’t
some simple slush fund that MIT taxes you with. The federal government caps
the “A” portion of “F&A” at 26% of the total
equation that makes up our full F&A rate. MIT is one of very few
schools in the entire country that is below the 26% administrative cap on
overhead which means we are more efficient and much more lean in central administrative
costs that almost every other school in the nation. As you can see from
the numbers above, most of your overhead goes towards facilities (the “F”
piece) and the majority of the “A” piece goes to the schools and departments
to run them. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Finally, that 2 cents that must support OSP,
IS&T, Payroll, Human Resources, Controller’s office, etc… is proportioned
according to the direct support of research that each office contributes.
For example, about 92% of OSP supports research. Therefore my office is highly
recoverable and most of our costs are in that 2 cents. IS&T hovers
around 52-54% recoverable. Other offices have different recovery
rates that all get added into the big pie that constitutes that final 2 cents
of F&A that we charge. So for an office like IS&T, their
remaining funds come form outside sources and in the form of tuition and other
revenue. IS&T supports the teaching endeavor as mush as the research endeavor
of the institute and therefore their recovery reflects that fact.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Since we are below the regulatory administrative
cap, you could argue to the Provost that you would like to pay more F&A to
get more services from central administration. I’m sure Jerry
Grochow would love to have his budget increased so that he could provide more
services and you wouldn’t have to wait over 2 months to get full support
of Tiger. Perhaps you should take your argument to Apple for releasing a
OS upgrade that breaks so many applications. No one would hesitate to
bash Microsoft if they released an new OS that causes so many problems. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway, that’s the F&A facts.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Kuba
Tatarkiewicz [mailto:tatarkie@lns.mit.edu] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 11, 2005 6:34
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Bill Cattey<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Gerald D Burke; Albert Willis;
macpartners@MIT.EDU; itpartners@MIT.EDU; sw-release-announce@MIT.EDU;
ed-tech@MIT.EDU; it-lead@MIT.EDU; itag@MIT.EDU; is&t@MIT.EDU; Jerry
Grochow; Sean Thompson; J Maynard Gelinas<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Macpartners] Mac OS
X 10.4 "Tiger" Update</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear Bill,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I appreciate you concerns and your comments.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>However, as the person responsible for computer
user experience in the Lab, I can not relay on a good will. This is same
with Mac OS X as it is with Linux. That's why we do have two full time Linux
admins in the group who (I cross my fingers) keep our 200+ hosts secure and in
a working condition. Well, they do much more: LNS is running on all desktops
our own distribution of Scientific Linux (Red Hat distribution supported by
CERN - unfortunately, we can not afford enterprise prices of Red Hat and MIT IST
choose not to support Red Hat at levels that we need) with distributed
computing CONDOR system. Our users are happy for the system, which translates
into payments to our budget (read: our salaries).</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think that the last sentence of the previous paragraph tells all: I'd
like to see real support for Mac OS X for our hard earned money that we
spend on the so called "MIT overhead". Unfortunately, present
situation does not justify our payments: it is 2+ months since Tiger
was introduced to the general public, several commercial applications have been
already updated, but there's nothing on MIT IST Web site that our users can be
interested in.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sorry, but as we say in Poland, the hell is covered with good wills.
What we really need are good actions.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Regards,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Kuba</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
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</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I am sorry to hear that you gave up on IS&T support for Mac OS X.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You raise a question that deserves an answer: "Why does it seem
like</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>IS&T is not testing until after a product ships?"</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My personal experience is as Linux Platform Coordinator, but I believe</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>it is applicable to platforms like Mac OS X.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We *DO* test products before they come out -- as much early access as</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>vendors are willing to give us.<span class=apple-converted-space>
</span>Some vendors give us a lot of access.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Others don't give us much or any early access.<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>We negotiate as best we</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>can.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The issue that keeps a LOT of us in IS&T stressed is that after we
have</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>tested the early versions of a product, the real version of the product</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>sometimes ships badly broken in some way.<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>The vendor thought it was a</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>trivial change, but it wasn't.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>We
have found that we have to run ALL</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>the testing we did on the early version AGAIN on the REAL version, and</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>that we often find nasty problems.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It is an unfortunate situation that, when the vendors ship new versions</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>of their products, they somehow fail for a non-trivial segment of the</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>MIT user community.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>I
appreciate how all you have seen is how long it</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>takes for us to qualify new software, and how in spite of that delay,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>you still get bit by problems.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Although I am saddened by the prospect of IS&T losing the
experience</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>from the users of your 50+ LNS systems, I can appreciate your
viewpoint.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>When you shrink the problem down from 1000 stakeholder to 50</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>stakeholder, the job of getting things to work for "everyone"
is a lot</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>easier.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Before you walk away from us, I ask you please to consider the</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>possibility that we ARE working hard, and that we ARE remedying</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>problems, just not always in areas that are visible to you and your</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>smaller community.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ultimately, IS&T can't do the whole job alone.<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>We need customers who</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>will try stuff out, and either confirm for us that all is well, or help</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>us get problems and solutions through to the vendors.</span></font></p>
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12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I hope that IS&T can be useful to you in the future.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-Bill Cattey</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Linux Platform Coordinator</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 22:32 -0400, Kuba Tatarkiewicz wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear All,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Assistant Director for Computer
Services</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica'>MIT Lab for Nuclear Science</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Phone 617 452 2430</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Fax 617 258 6591</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica'>24-030D MIT</span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica'>77 Massachusetts Avenue</span></font></p>
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