<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">So a few years ago I walked into a museum with an exhibition of carnival paraphernalia and there was a HUGE pair of pants with the phrase, "semper ubi sub ubi". Loosely translated: "Always wear underwear."<DIV>Beryl</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Apr 25, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Alice Waugh wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span">Well, all I can say to that<FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> is "</FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur" and maybe</FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"> "c</FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">lamo, clamatis, omnes clamamus pro glace lactis" as well. So there.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Alice Waugh</FONT></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>P.S. See this site for translations: <A href="http://www.yuni.com/library/latin.html">http://www.yuni.com/library/latin.html</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Apr 25, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Scott R Campbell wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Wow. This crowd. I am thoroughly amused and enlightened. I think we should all go out for a drink and toast ourselves. In emphatical Latin.<BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯</DIV><DIV>Scott Campbell</DIV><DIV>Director of Communications<SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><DIV>MIT School of Architecture + Planning</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Apr 25, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Tom Pixton wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">The Latin word "pectus" means "breast" but also can mean "soul" or "mind." Pectus is the nominative singluar, pectoris the genitive singular. "Pectus pectoris" means "heart of a heart" so you probably wouldn't want that. Latin nouns are often given in grammar books in the first and second forms of their declensions, ie, "res, rei," or "thing (nominative case)", "thing (genitive case)". Your brother probably didn't intend for you to write "pectus pectoris." More likely: Mens, Manus et Pectus. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>But this sounds very odd, mostly because "pectus" sounds like "pectoral muscles" (which of course is it's English cognate). I'd suggest using "cor, cordis" which means "heart" as in, seat of emotion. It also can mean "mind" and judgement". So you'd say, "mens manus et cor." Sounds nicer than the pecky thing.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>You could also say "cor, cor et atque cor" as in "mind, judgement, and [yet again] heart"<DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Non sapis atque sapis [Virgil],</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Tom</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Apr 25, 2007, at 11:44 AM, William T G Litant wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <DIV>Does anyone out there have an expertise in Latin? (Mine is limited to the Pig dialect.) Qestion:</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>As you (better) know, the MIT motto is<FONT color="#000000"> "Mens et Manus." For an article I'm wiritng, I want to add "and heart." Is it correct to say "Mens et Manus et Pectus"? My brother, the scholar, thinks it may be "Mens et Manus et Pectus Pectoris," but advises me to seek professional help (which the whole family has been urging me to do for years).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color="#000000"><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color="#000000">Can anyone assist?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color="#000000"><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color="#000000">Thanks.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color="#000000"><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color="#000000">Best,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color="#000000">Bill</FONT></DIV> <X-SIGSEP><PRE>--
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