<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I think what Dan is saying is that if you want to isolate the effect of winds form that of purely buoyancy flux, the bulk formulas for heat and salt exchange depend on the wind stress as well, and it is difficult then of separating the two effects. At least, this is my interprestation, and it is a good point.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Matthew Mazloff <<a href="mailto:mmazloff@ucsd.edu" class="">mmazloff@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Dan<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Can you please explain the double counting issue. I don’t understand what you are referring to. I don’t understand where it arises from for either optimization or reconstruction. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks</div><div class="">Matt</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 3, 2020, at 6:53 AM, Dan Jones <<a href="mailto:dcjones.work@gmail.com" class="">dcjones.work@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi Dimitris,</div><div class=""><br class="">Although I could be wrong, I do not think that the potential double counting issue matters much for the adjoint optimization process. As long as the control adjustments reduce the cost function, then I suppose that the optimization process will still work. Do you agree?<br class=""><br class="">However, if we are attempting to reconstruct an objective function using adjoint sensitivities and anomalies (e.g. Helen Pillar's work on RAPID time series reconstructions, see her 2016 J. Climate paper), then the potential double-counting could be an issue. I'm hoping that by avoiding the bulk formulae I can more cleanly separate the effects of wind stress anomalies from those of heat flux anomalies. </div><div class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Best,<br class="">Dan<br class=""><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;" class=""><div class="">--------------------------------------------------------------<br class="">Dr Dan Jones / British Antarctic Survey</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.danjonesocean.com/" target="_blank" class="">danjonesocean.com</a> / @DanJonesOcean</div><div class="">--------------------------------------------------------------</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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